My blind hate of strats

[TimmyPage]

Re: My blind hate of strats

I think it's because stupid Fender Vs Gibson flame wars can be a lot of fun, as long as they are not taken even slightly seriously. Once they are taken seriously, they become hilarious. Isn't it human nature to feel the need to defend our choices, or more importantly, purchases? That's all that is happening here. If anyone wants to seriously suggest, for example, that Jimmy Page would have been better off with a Strat, because they're better, or that Jimi Hendrix would have been better with a Les Paul, because they're better, then surely they have a brick where their brain is supposed to be.

And even though Strats are obviously better, I still want a 335.


Cheers.....................wahwah

And the funny thing? If Jimi Hendrix preferred a Les Paul, more people would be going blindly to Gibson, and if Jimmy Page played fender (which he did from time to time, he had some nice teles and strats..) more people would blindly go to Fender.

And know what? Both of them would be just as legendary, regardless of the guitar they played.

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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One more thousandth time ........ metal and strats ..... ever heard of Mercifull Fate ??? aha, well, I don't really know if you can get more Metal then Obey the Oath, guess what its a Strat. The first Sabbath album was done on a strat, it broke and then Iommi switched to SG. BTW SG was response to Strat outselling other gibson products, a historic fact, argued about it here many times, in one of the threads I've quoted credible sources on the whole thing. Moving on, ever heard of Iron Maiden??? yeah well, Strats. How about Kirk's ESP clones ??? Balls to The Wall was recorded on a strat. Speaking of Germany, would you consider Helloween a metal band? gues what the founder plays most of the time??? How about Jake E Lee ??? yeah sure, strat is not for metal ...

 

[Empty Pockets]

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That's a pretty condescending tone you got there, let's see if I can make it heavier...

Ever plug a Strat with single coils into an amp, EQ it for a really heavy tone, and then (without changing the knobs) plug in a Gibson? The sound is a LOT heavier.

There aren't any absolutes to ANY rules, but now that the 70's and 80's are gone and we've all figured out what combination of pickups, woods, and amps does which tones the best, I've noticed a lot more heavy bands using Gibson-style axes...even Strat-shaped Gibson-style axes.

Iommi upgrading to an SG is just the first example. One of the dudes in Maiden plays a Les Paul nowadays. I don't feel like breaking it down any further because it's pointless. You can get a heavy tone out of a 52 Fender Broadcaster if the rest of your rig is geared for it, but it won't be AS HEAVY as a flying V with EMG's.

You can get a clean twangy tone with that V, too, but it won't be as lush or pretty as a Strat into a Twin.

Again, I'm not picking sides, I don't think "heavy tone" is always "good tone"...you've gotta use the right tool for the job. You can dig a tunnel through that mountain with your shovel, I'm going to use TNT tho. You wanna use that same shovel to eat ice cream? I'm gonna try a spoon.

-X

 

[Hellion]

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The lifetime of a guitarist often consists of the gradual transition from humbuckers to single coils. You just don't realize it till you've been playing 20+ years. Your ear seeks purity more and more.

But that's not to say humbuckers can't be enjoyed for a lifetime too. However, over time, most people start wanting to hear purer sounding humbuckers with lower output and more dynamic range.

I'd have to agree with this. It took me 17 years of humbuckers to graduate to a single coil pickup instrument. That silly Strat brought on its own share of problems, but I used it for about 5 years....then came the Bastard Tele! God...what was I thinking? Having said that, that stupid guitar goes with me to every electric gig that Carolyn & I have. They're annoyingly addictive. Again....what was I thinking?

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Well if you want that scandinavian scream/grawl/palm mute fest yeah, I gues you need an emg with something at least two sharp points. When I mean metal and heavy I don't mean a distortion tool that looks like a guitar. I am talking a great heavy metal tone, and with that more milestone albums were recorded wiith strats than Emg Flying V's will ever manage to produce.

 

[KeeperOS]

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Guys, this is getting silly in a most stupid way (wow, look how eloquently I put it )

As far as blueman is concerned, it is painfully obvious to me that he actually doesn't want to understand what I was saying was about (which was the modularity of the instrument without a loss of its' identity) but rather wants to twist it to what he wants to say (which is how Gibson and LPs are so much better than Fender and Strats).

Now, read this really carefully:
I like Strats. I like their versatility, I like their modularity and I like them stock better than a LP (which I find great, just not for me).
Having said that, I don't see how what I like better should make it better than what I don't.
I say to each their own.

Personally, my ideal guitar has a bucker in the bridge with 24 frets but the rest of it is a strat.
It's great for blues, great for jazz and GREAT for the non-OzzFest (I forget who said that but I loved it ), non-Scandinavian Metal.
You know, the classic stuff that the 80s and early to mid 90s used to produce.

Again, having said that, if you want to play blues, jazz or metal with an LP, SG, V or any type of "pointy" guitars it's cool, it's the music and tone you produce, not the tools you used for the job.

P.S.
Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden) is known to play several different instruments but generally with Maiden he tends to use Strats. (The other two however stick to Strats)
Michael Weikath (Helloween) used to play SuperStrats (and at times, Vs) but lately he switched to Gibson LPs. Kai Hansen, the other original guitarist is a V man through and through.
Roland Grapow, the guy who replaced him always played a yellow YJM type Strat (scalloped and everything) while the guy who replaced him (Sascha something) plays an Ibanez Iceman.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, what I'm saying is that they all played the same kind of music but each one chose a different instrument.
Still, they all get the sound so big deal...

 

[Mr. B]

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The heaviest sounding Les Paul I have...................is a solid body, dual-humbucker TELE I picked up a while back. I love that thing. It sees more action that my strats or Les Pauls lately.

 

[Empty Pockets]

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The heaviest sounding Les Paul I have...................is a solid body, dual-humbucker TELE I picked up a while back. I love that thing. It sees more action that my strats or Les Pauls lately.

it's not a 72 Deluxe is it...'cuz i will attest to the sweetness of their tone any day.

and i apologize for any misunderstandings, I sometimes forget that 'metal' is usually more about high-pitched wails, spandex, and 'MEEDLYMEEDLYMEEDLYMEEDLYMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE' solos than it is about being heavy. If you're meedlymeedlyin you're gonna want a strat with huge frets, low action, and hot rails or similar.

if you want that fat, heavy rhythm tone, tho....

anyway yeah, it's about time this thread died, it's gotten way off topic and at this point we're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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it's not a 72 Deluxe is it...'cuz i will attest to the sweetness of their tone any day.

and i apologize for any misunderstandings, I sometimes forget that 'metal' is usually more about high-pitched wails, spandex, and 'MEEDLYMEEDLYMEEDLYMEEDLYMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE' solos than it is about being heavy. If you're meedlymeedlyin you're gonna want a strat with huge frets, low action, and hot rails or similar.

if you want that fat, heavy rhythm tone, tho....

anyway yeah, it's about time this thread died, it's gotten way off topic and at this point we're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Metal is about ability to be musical while being heavy, if you want your poser screams and open chords of "of-true-non-spendex-I-am-more-real-because-I can't-play-fast-or-melodic" metal yeah, well be true get an LP or if wanna be the violent type poser who revisions Gene Simmons art of black and white theatric make up and grawls how he is more evil than satan himself and burns a few village churches, well yeah you need that pointy EMGed thing too.

Yeah sure, be typical kid of the 90s and throw Accept, Iron Maiden, Helloween, Merciful Fate, Judas Priest(I personally saw Glen Tipton play a buckered strat) in to one bunch with Poison and Faster Pussycat, go head be a signature of the nirvana generation. All wanted to say is that the notion that "strat is not for metal" is simply not thought through, uneducated openion. I did not even get into the whole thing of which is better LP or Strat. But what did you do? you brought on spandex, like I said very typical of your generation.

 

[KeeperOS]

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Not picking sides or anything but I think he was jokingly saying that a Strat is better for the classic heavy lead sound while an LP might better do the job of chunky rhythms.

Besides, what's wrong with high-pitched wails, spandex, and meedlymeedly solos?
That's describing my favorite kind of music!

Guys, seriously now, let's leave it at that...

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Besides, what's wrong with high-pitched wails, spandex, and meedlymeedly solos?
That's describing my favorite kind of music!

Guys, seriously now, let's leave it at that...

Besides, these bands get the best looking tush around, that's why these guys are so pissed :naughty:

 

[Empty Pockets]

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Dude, I LIKE Iron Maiden, and Van Halen made spandex look cool. I'm not attacking your taste in music, if you dig that stuff then keep digging it, in fact i dig a lot of it myself so i don't know why you're being so defensive.

Like I said, you can use a Strat for metal just like you can use that razorsharp EMG whateverthehell for jazz. The guitar in your hands is probably 20% of the tonal equation when you factor in your effects, your amp, your cab, the rest of the band, the PA of the club you're in, and even how full the club is.

ALL I'M SAYING is the low end and midrange crunch of Gibson-style guitar is more suited for a heavier tone than the trebly, clean sound of a Fender. I don't give a sh!t what your favorite band plays or how good you thought they sounded or how they're better musicians because they can run scales faster than my favorite band, just like you don't give a sh!t if my favorite band sets up three half stacks for one guitar and play riffs so heavy they make Slayer seem like classic rock.

I can play your game too. "Nurr Superstrats and a Laney and a disdain for Nirvana? Typical for your generation nurr bleh nerp."

Speaking of Nirvana, that guy got a pretty heavy tone out of Fender Mustangs...but it wasn't GOOD heavy tone.

-X

 

[Empty Pockets]

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Keeper OS got my point across without being as big of a jerk...wish i had seen that before i posted the above, but i still stand by it...just responding in kind.

 

[MikeS]

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[Dr.Mavashi]

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ALL I'M SAYING is the low end and midrange crunch of Gibson-style guitar is more suited for a heavier tone than the trebly, clean sound of a Fender.

My Laney needs some maitnance, after that I will take my friends LP ... I think his is studio I am not sure ... and do clips comparing his LP and my Strat with Invader in the bridge, you would be very suprised about a strat with invader through spina TS9 does in the area of low end/midrange crunch.

 

[Empty Pockets]

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:haha:
Dr. Mav, we should split a 12 pack and jam some times. I'll play rhythm, you do lead, i bet we could come up with something mind-blowing.:headbang:

We'll just have to try not to make it a Miller vs. Bud argument.:friday:

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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MikeS,
Dude, can I qoute you on this .... can I make it my sig?

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Empty,
Are you in CA ? sure why not only I am such a "local" friscan I really dig Anchors and Gordon bierch ... hmmm who is better, great for sound room. Anyways, well don't consider my playing mind blowing at all, but I can do metal, I owe this forum a clip, and promise it will arrive soon I just want my AOR in competetion form for it. Dude, I am not into the 100 years war of which is better LP or a Strat, I just get juices flowing when people say that its not a metal guitar, that's all. And I am into any music that has catchy melody, hooks, frases etc, I am just more into skill and composition than expression and vibe so that's why I was in such pain for 10 years .. guess what decade I am talking about ))

 

[H8Red442]

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Pointies beat both Strats and LPs

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Empty, sorry I just looked in your avatar you are in Utah, old metal head I am - retarded. ))