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TheArchitect said:
I fail to see what tubes have to do with poor design and build quality.

My Marshalls are 37, 32 and 31 years old respectively and have no problems. It aint the tubes.
Mounting the tube sockets of poorly designed and manufactured PCBs has everything to do with it. Case in point with the Blue Voodoo I had. The power tube sockets are on a PCB. The board was so cheap that the heat from them melted the traces and also fried a couple components nearby. Just the heat of them can cause things to fail if not designed correctly. Boogie got it right, thick boards with big traces that resist heat very well.

Your old Marshalls have chasis mounted hard-wired tube sockets, power and pre. Big difference.
 
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ErikH said:
Mounting the tube sockets of poorly designed and manufactured PCBs has everything to do with it. Case in point with the Blue Voodoo I had. The power tube sockets are on a PCB. The board was so cheap that the heat from them melted the traces and also fried a couple components nearby. Just the heat of them can cause things to fail if not designed correctly. Boogie got it right, thick boards with big traces that resist heat very well.

Your old Marshalls have chasis mounted hard-wired tube sockets, power and pre. Big difference.

All of which are design and build quality issues and are not related to tube technology proper being unreliable.

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When you spend $1500 on a tube amplifier from a reputable company like Marshall, you expect it to be a quality product.

This spoke specifically about expecting quality from an expensive tube amp. You shouldn't have to deal with half ass design and build quality problems from any high end piece of gear. Tubes have nothing to do with it.
 
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TheArchitect said:
All of which are design and build quality issues and are not related to tube technology proper being unreliable.

Piece of original post:


This spoke specifically about expecting quality from an expensive tube amp. You shouldn't have to deal with half ass design and build quality problems from any high end piece of gear. Tubes have nothing to do with it.
Ahh, but the tubes are revealing the build quality issue so that makes them a player. Had it been a SS amp, you'd probably never know the PCB was sub-standard. I see your point though. ;)
 
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Am I the only happy JCM2000 owner on the planet? Granted I've had my DSL50 for just under 2 years, but (*knocks on wood*) I haven't had a single problem with it at all. Sorry you guys are having such issues.
 
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I've heard about more problems from the TSL series than the DSL series. Seems the DSL amps are holding their own pretty good.
 
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im telling you that New Marshalls suck, yes, suck.

what i really cant stand is that i could posisbly get in crap for saying that on here.
but i dont care cause i am a consumer and i have had bad experiences with Marshall and i think they are doo doo.

like i said there are Marshall cloners out there who really care about what they make and they do it right the first time around.
Have you looked at the inside of a new Marshall?????!!!
those have to be the cheapest PCB boards out there

i think it is ok for Marshall to make a buck, just not from me.
 
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well i asked my neighbor today about my amp. he owns two TSL 100 full stacks, one of which he bought used. He also owns the combo amp version of the TSL 100...the TSL 122....two of them actually. He said he has never had one single problem with any of them. They have functioned perfectly since he has had them. That leads me to conclude that Marshall does not have poor design in their amps. They havn't been around for 44 years for nothing. However, I am still having problems with mine. I got in touch with someone at the Marshall-Korg something facility here in the us. The problem with my reverb he said is a common issue among amplifiers. Doesn't mean that the whole amp is bad. The footswitch had nothing to do with the head itself, its just a peripheral...which does suck though. He seems to think that i have a problem with one of my preamp tubes. Could've happened during the repair of an earlier problem, not too sure though. He's sending me a full set of new tubes to replace all of them to see if that corrects the problem. 90% of the time it does according to him. If not, i have to call him back and we need to take it from there. He said most likely its not a circuit board issue though. Either the tubes or a grounding issue. I'll keep everyone posted with my status because I still beleive in Marshall. If fender puts out one bad guitar, I'm not gonna stop playing fenders all together. I love my amp and I'm gonna give marshall the chance to fix the problem. My dad has had one for over 30 years and its still kickin. I'm hoping mine will do the same too.
 
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tone? - nobody's arguing with you. You had bad experience, it couldn't get fixed, and your view has been set. I'm sorry that happened. However, let me also point out that you had an amp that even Marshall themselves admitted had problems. So, your view is somewhat skewed at the same time. Maybe in time you'll look at them again.

hareek - glad to hear they're taking care of you. Every time I had to talk with somebody there they were nice. One guy was nice enough to photocopy the manual for mine himself from their archives and put it in the mail for me. Some places wouldn't do that. They'd just say it's out of print and that's it.

Footswitches can be really cheap. I wouldn't even fret about that. The best footswitch I ever had, and still have 10 years later, is one I made with a Hoover vacuum cleaner switch and a 1/4" switchcraft jack. I've gone through 2 enclosures, but it's the same switch and jack.
 
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My MG100hdfx was just crap. I sent it in for repair, and they "lost it". So I got a credit note for the price of the Marshall. Genious, 'cause that's all I wanted; to get rid of it.
 
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ErikH said:
hareek - glad to hear they're taking care of you. Every time I had to talk with somebody there they were nice. One guy was nice enough to photocopy the manual for mine himself from their archives and put it in the mail for me. Some places wouldn't do that. They'd just say it's out of print and that's it.

Yeah that guy Joe on the phone was very nice and helpful. He said they are great sounding amps and apologized for my inconvenience and assured me that my amp would get fixed. And I'm very happy with that response and effort. As long as the wheels are moving on this. I love that marshall tone and I just happened to have a few problems. Nothing that we buy in life is ever perfect. So we'll see what happens after I put the new tubes in next week. Right now, its time to move on and install my new Little '59 in my strat. At least my guitar still works..........unless i mess it up tomorrow! haha
 
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The only time my Marshall was in the shop for a repair was when it was blown over by the wind outside, loosened some stuff and bent the chassis. It still rocks like a champ 9 years later.
 
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Yeah - my very first real amp was a jcm 800 50 watt head and 4x12 cab. I was maybe 21 years old and thought
:banana: Oh man this is gonna be great!! :banana:

Well after about an hour or so of playing and making all kinds of ungodly noise, it got loud as hell for about 2 seconds and then the volume rapidly went down and fizzed out. :eek13:

I took it back to the store I got it from and they fixed it but I never felt like buying another marshall amp. I sold the head as soon as I could (kept the cab though, it did kick ass) and picked up a Laney 100 watt AOR head - I liked it better as it was much more 'metal'.

For years I swore up and down that Marshall was an overrated junk ass amp maker and didn't deserve my business. Now looking back on it I can see that I probably just had a bad tube, and I'm sure Marshall is as quality concious as any manufacturer out there, but I still wouldn't pay for one.
 
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Most people who complain about th "poor" quality of the new Marshalls just don't follow the two simple rules for those ams which are actually well known:

*Tube warmup (for those who don't know... at least 1-2min... BEST 5min before turning on the standby)
*Let cool down before moving (NEVER move your amp directly after playing... let the tubes cool down first)

And yes, the Footswitch seems to be crappy. (Although I haven't had any problems with mine so far... just what others said) But it's not the amp itself.

I had reliability concerns too before I bought the amp, but the I found a site that had sooo many reviews and everyone who didn't have those problems stated that they were following those rules above, while others who had problems seemed to give no crap about. I personally can't comment yet, cause I've only had it for <1 month now... (works fine so far ;) )
 
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I love Marshalls, but all mine are pre-1990. The DSL is a good design from a musical point of view, but the modern construction methods and the poor modern iron supplied are not suitable for high quality tube amps.

To build tube amps in England to the same standard of the original 60's-70's models would probably be cost prohibitive for most working guitarist today. I think Marshall wants to still provide tools to working musicians, and not be a boutique amp company.

In my opinion, where Marshall has made errors; is in bowing to market demands of features loaded amps, and to increasingly less expensive production methods. They need to get back to the early JCM800 construction standard of flying leads and chassis mounted componants, even if it costs a bit more on their end. Once customers are paying more than 1000 USD anyway, why skimp? Models lines like MG's and Valve States only degrade their reputation in the Market. ( Duncan needs to pull the plug on Duncan Designed too.)

The Marshall sound is essentially based around overdriving the output sections of the class AB tube amp. This is way different from the preamp driven designs demanded by modern versatility and modern high gain. The DSL is okay as a design, being essentially a more modrern, all tube, JCM800 2205/2210, but the TSL is way too complicated. When circuts are very complicated, there's just too much that can go wrong, especially with modern plug in type PCB construction.
 
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look just to get the record staight i have nothing against a good ole Marshall. actually i think that they are great.
they were made with high grade components then and were workhorses. Bulletproof.
it wasnt just my experience with my Marshall but from friends and people who have had the newer series amps.

i really dont think it is so tough to take a look inside these newer amps and see that the build quality is under par.
yes the amp i had was even addmited from Marshall that it was a bad design, but like i said check out under the hood.

Every thing we listen now is based on that Marshall/Fender tone. But that doesnt mean that the amps that they build are of good quality now.
I dont think they care much either cause that isnt their target market anyway. and there is nothing wrong with that. i just think that the build quality is under par for what i am looking for and for the prices at which they sell.
My opinion.

its ok really. not all product makers have to offer top quality. i think it is great that lots of kids can afford to buy Marshalls and they are not for an elite.
 
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Hey-what else do you play low quality control Gibsons through?
 
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