My ultimate/last capacitor/pot thread! Please help!

Re: My ultimate/last capacitor/pot thread! Please help!

What would I do with Push Pulls? I don't understand.

And .047 is pretty bassy, isn't it? Dang!

Edit: I know what you can do with push pulls. I'm just wondering exactly what you think I should do with them.
 
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bigalthethird said:
What would I do with Push Pulls? I don't understand. And .047 is pretty bassy, isn't it? Dang! Edit: I know what you can do with push pulls. I'm just wondering exactly what you think I should do with them.
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I'm just saying if you purchase pots, get those, and wire them for allowing splits. You might not think you want 'em now, but it helps if you either need them some day or sell the guitar, etc. Most guitars with push/pull split capabilities seem to go for more money, etc.

As for .047, I just go by the Seymour Duncan recommendation of .047 cap and 500K pots for humbuckers. Seems to have worked for me on my Jazz+JB combo. However, like I said, get a .022 for "just in case" the .047 is too wide a frequency drop. It never hurts, and I would LOVE to have a variable capacitor pot to adjust that with. Oh well, I'll keep researching.
 
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TwinReverb said:
Not like it matters though, a cap is a cap, at least for guitars.
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Gotta disagree w/ you bro :)

At least to my ears, there is a significant difference between a cheap ceramic cap and a high quality cap like a Hovland or even an Orange Drop. Heck, I noticed a difference swapping out the RI Bumblebee's in my RI Les Pauls with the Hovlands. But, thats just my $.02
 
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Bada Bing! said:
Gotta disagree w/ you bro :) At least to my ears, there is a significant difference between a cheap ceramic cap and a high quality cap like a Hovland or even an Orange Drop. Heck, I noticed a difference swapping out the RI Bumblebee's in my RI Les Pauls with the Hovlands. But, thats just my $.02
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Hey I said that I wasn't totally sure on that one! :P Thanks for speaking out though, I appreciate it! :D
 
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TwinReverb said:
Hey I said that I wasn't totally sure on that one! :P Thanks for speaking out though, I appreciate it! :D
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Thats cool bro! At's all about opinion and what sounds good to the individual.
 
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ok I can buy the .022 orange cap spiel.. still.. can you guys clarify why it is necessary to have vintage style metal-braided wire?.. I don't think my 22 guage insulated copper wiring is compromising my guitar's tone
 
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im not exactly sure, im sure it has something to do with feedback or something like that though. im getting everything metal braded when i upgrade, well everything except the 4conductor wire running from the switch.
 
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bigalthethird said:
I can't answer that one. I don't know anything about wires.
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The metal braid is basically an RF shield. If you connect that braid to ground per every point it is near, you'll get a good shield. The ESP I have had that kind of wire from 3-way switch and out (basically on the hot output from the pickups from 3-way to the output jack). It's a good idea.
 
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The push back Lenzite wire w/ cotton insulator ala Gibson has a heavy effective shield, makes ground connections easily, and is very durable. SD uses it on all the 2 conductor Gibson style pickups; there's a reason.
 
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TwinReverb said:
Uh, I don't really think you have to do orange drops because honestly it's just milliamps: orange drops are meant for amps (am i wrong?). Not like it matters though, a cap is a cap, at least for guitars. But me, I'd recommend .047 cap (get a .022 just in case you don't like the .047) and two 500K push-pull pots.
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WHOOAH!! A Tone Member saying a cap is a cap!! Not for these ears. True there's miniscule current going through them on a guitar, but they all sound different. And you can hear it with a clean or dirty tone.

Noth
 
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noth said:
WHOOAH!! A Tone Member saying a cap is a cap!! Not for these ears. True there's miniscule current going through them on a guitar, but they all sound different. And you can hear it with a clean or dirty tone. Noth
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As in the brand. Assuming you're not buying used or horrible caps, they're rated the same and they'll probably last the same. The only problem with them popping is under higher wattage. A guitar is in the milliwatts. As for rating, however, that you can tell. I can hear the difference between .022 and .047. I was saying brand.
 
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TwinReverb said:
The metal braid is basically an RF shield. If you connect that braid to ground per every point it is near, you'll get a good shield. The ESP I have had that kind of wire from 3-way switch and out (basically on the hot output from the pickups from 3-way to the output jack). It's a good idea.
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ok.. the 3 wires coming from my 3-way switch each have a small wire surrounded by metal wire, and each were housed in a plastic insulator.. near the 3-way switch some of the metal wire coming from each of the 3 wires were braided and connected to the ground lug on the 3-way switch.. so if I connect the 3 switch wires to their respective pot lugs and ground the exposed metal wire to their respective pots then I will effectively grounded the 3-way switch and provided for RF shielding for those 3 switch wires?.. and if I use vintage-style braided wire for the rest of my connections I would have eliminated the need for copper-shielding my control cavity?
 
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Thanks dude! I already got all the stuff from Bada Bing's store, good stuff too. But that's an interesting thread.
 
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eresseraca said:
If you want to go the easy way. Order a complete wiring kit from www.rsguitarworks.com or similar site, I recommend that since that's what I did and would do again if I upgraded, you get all the wires you need and high quality everything :)

I've written quite alot about this on the Thursday Burst site, I also have a schematic for the 50's wiring there. (Check the link in my signature)

And for clarifying, you will most likely need a deepthreaded nut for the switchcraft switch. Sometimes it can fit with the regular nut, but it won't be a really good fit... so you NEED that deepthread! ;)

I put shortshafts in Thursday Burst and had to do some extensive modding to get them to fit. I don't know about Epi's though, wheter it's the Long of Short shafts that fits best.

PS. Notice that if you order a complete wiring kit you might need to order the deepthreaded nut seperately!
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Can you tell me exactly how the controls will act differently? When in the center position on the switch, will the volume controls act independently? In other words, you have to turn both volume knobs to 0 to get the guitar to stop sending a signal to the amp? How are the tones different?

Just describe how this will act differently compared to stock Gibson wiring. What's different in performance and behavior in this circuit?

Thanks.
 
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bigalthethird said:
lol it was a shock to see this thread again!
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To clarify what I was recommending earlier, if this is one of those "one volume and one tone pot per pickup" guitars, i.e. 4 knobs, I'd recommend making the volume knobs the push/pulls for splitting the pickups. Then, if you don't know whether you'd like a .022 or .047, you can make the tone pots push/pull also so that in or out selects a different cap. But it's up to you. In my opinion, that may be too many options....
 
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TwinReverb said:
To clarify what I was recommending earlier, if this is one of those "one volume and one tone pot per pickup" guitars, i.e. 4 knobs, I'd recommend making the volume knobs the push/pulls for splitting the pickups. Then, if you don't know whether you'd like a .022 or .047, you can make the tone pots push/pull also so that in or out selects a different cap. But it's up to you. In my opinion, that may be too many options....
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FWIW, unless you really want to split the pickup coils, it would be most cost effective to just buy 2 different cap values than go to the expense of buying 4 quality push/pull pots.
 
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