NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

[Sirion]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I think you are right on all accounts. I basically run either the JVM or my smallish ADA MP-1 rack rig these days: I have not made it to an Axe-FX yet, but an MP-1 through a G-System gives me the tones I need as well as many of the ancient racks of doom. But I can definitely see the negative sides of rack rigs, especially if you are not interested in stereo rigs. My post was primarily meant as a reply to PFDarkside (with a little bit of snark against the 90s thrown in): if there was one thing rack pre-amps did better than normal heads, it was changing EQ on the fly.

 

[dystrust]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I think you are right on all accounts. I basically run either the JVM or my smallish ADA MP-1 rack rig these days: I have not made it to an Axe-FX yet, but an MP-1 through a G-System gives me the tones I need as well as many of the ancient racks of doom. But I can definitely see the negative sides of rack rigs, especially if you are not interested in stereo rigs. My post was primarily meant as a reply to PFDarkside (with a little bit of snark against the 90s thrown in): if there was one thing rack pre-amps did better than normal heads, it was changing EQ on the fly.

Agreed 100%. I can't say I found myself using that feature a huge amount though.

The one sound I really missed from my rack days was the solid state clean in the MP-1. It isn't the same, but I can get pretty close with an MIJ CS-3 and CE-2 into the clean channel of my Jubilees.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I was just checking out the JVM410HJS, wow is that an amp!

 

[Sirion]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

That particular model has been discontinued, so now is the time to get it if you want one!

 

[B2D]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I was just checking out the JVM410HJS, wow is that an amp!

I wish they made a 50w or 2-channel version. That's up to Joe, I guess.

That particular model has been discontinued, so now is the time to get it if you want one!

They go for pretty crazy prices. There's two on CL right now for over $2K each.

 

[Sirion]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

Yes, I suppose they might be unavailable by now. In Europe I know of a couple of models still tucked away (language barriers mean that things like these might be forgotten if a model is not particularly popular in one country), but in the US they might all be gone by now.

 

[blind1]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I love this amp and ended up modding it a bit.

My amp tech did the following mods on the amp: negative feedback mod, plexi cap mod, C83 mod, and added a choke. The result: absolute tonal bliss. The amp was already great.. now it is just phenomenal. The feeling and tone and response are just amazing. If you are considering this amp or own it already, I would highly consider at least these mods and possibly more depending on your tastes.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I want to have so many mods done to my 410H that Jim Marshall comes back from the grave and throws an output transformer at my head.

 

[SavageRiffer]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

The JVM seems to go under the radar these days with all the awesome amps out on the market. However, it's a remarkable amp with exceptional tone. The boutique snobs may scoff at it, but the JVM never, ever fails to deliver awesome tone. If the snobs didn't know it was a JVM you're playing through, they'd shower you with praise. Considering that it's a very loud Marshall, it's actually not bad at all for low volume stuff - not quite as good as Friedman or Diezel master volumes, but better than any other Marshall. I don't think that you'll need anything more than the stock foot controller. If you get on one of the medium gain modes, you can ride your guitar volume for an array of clean to distorted tones. The modes are quite unique, and you'd figure they would all sound similar, but not only do they have their own unique tone, some of them have different dynamics which makes them feel more like the amps they represent. If you start itching for a Satch JVM, don't get too excited because it's quite good and a little improvement on the JVM, but there is some rawness to the JVM that I really like to retain a times. Cool score man.

 

[dr0]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I use pedals. Lots and lots of pedals.

How many? I use four most of the time, two over-drives, a digital delay and a tuner.
Sometimes I don't bother with the Digital Delay.

The tuner is the most essential pedal, I can't imagine gigging without it.

 

[dr0]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

Love my 210H.
OD Orange is heavily.

The overdrive sounds like an Orange overdrive?

I have an Orange AD-140 TC, and it has two channels.
They sound almost the same, and even the supposed overdrive channel is pretty mild. Like "low" on a JCM-800.
I guess some of their later amps (the "Dark" series?) were more overdrive monsters.
I love my Orange, but I don't think of it as having a particular O.D. sound...

Now if you were saying the Orange is "heavy", well that I have experienced. The 4x12 is 104 lbs.

 

[Van Noord]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

The overdrive sounds like an Orange overdrive?

I have an Orange AD-140 TC, and it has two channels.
They sound almost the same, and even the supposed overdrive channel is pretty mild. Like "low" on a JCM-800.
I guess some of their later amps (the "Dark" series?) were more overdrive monsters.
I love my Orange, but I don't think of it as having a particular O.D. sound...

Now if you were saying the Orange is "heavy", well that I have experienced. The 4x12 is 104 lbs.

No...orange is a color mode on the JVM.

I've never played an Orange amp that I've liked.

 

[Sirion]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

Yep: each channel has green/orange/red settings, depending on the number of gain stages currently active. It has nothing to do with Orange amps.

 

[B2D]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I love this amp and ended up modding it a bit.

My amp tech did the following mods on the amp: negative feedback mod, plexi cap mod, C83 mod, and added a choke. The result: absolute tonal bliss. The amp was already great.. now it is just phenomenal. The feeling and tone and response are just amazing. If you are considering this amp or own it already, I would highly consider at least these mods and possibly more depending on your tastes.

Did you get the schematics from a specific source? Those all sound like mods I'd prefer to do on my next JVM.

 

[B2D]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

Now if you were saying the Orange is "heavy", well that I have experienced. The 4x12 is 104 lbs.

Yep. I just got rid of my PPC412 and went to the PPC212.

Don't get me wrong, the 412 is an AMAZING 4x12 cab and I wouldn't hesitate to to own another one, but the 2x12 is pretty fearsome sounding in itself, it's half the weight, and when it's mic'd up the difference in sound going to the PA isn't all that much. I just got tired of hauling around a cab that heavy in a Honda Civic.

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

Yep. I just got rid of my PPC412 and went to the PPC212.

Don't get me wrong, the 412 is an AMAZING 4x12 cab and I wouldn't hesitate to to own another one, but the 2x12 is pretty fearsome sounding in itself, it's half the weight, and when it's mic'd up the difference in sound going to the PA isn't all that much. I just got tired of hauling around a cab that heavy in a Honda Civic.

I’m a big fan of the 2x12 as well. I’ve never had the Orange cab but I’ve got 3 2x12 and got rid of my 4x12 and haven’t had a single regret.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I love this amp and ended up modding it a bit.

My amp tech did the following mods on the amp: negative feedback mod, plexi cap mod, C83 mod, and added a choke. The result: absolute tonal bliss. The amp was already great.. now it is just phenomenal. The feeling and tone and response are just amazing. If you are considering this amp or own it already, I would highly consider at least these mods and possibly more depending on your tastes.

Yeah, do you have a link to the mods?

 

[blind1]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

Did you get the schematics from a specific source? Those all sound like mods I'd prefer to do on my next JVM.

I had my local amp tech do the work for me. I'm not sure what his source for schematics was. I live in the Tampa Bay area of Florida, so if any of you guys are nearby and need a recommendation for a tech please PM me and I'll gladly share his info. See below for link to the mods.

The JVM seems to go under the radar these days with all the awesome amps out on the market. However, it's a remarkable amp with exceptional tone. The boutique snobs may scoff at it, but the JVM never, ever fails to deliver awesome tone. If the snobs didn't know it was a JVM you're playing through, they'd shower you with praise. Considering that it's a very loud Marshall, it's actually not bad at all for low volume stuff - not quite as good as Friedman or Diezel master volumes, but better than any other Marshall. I don't think that you'll need anything more than the stock foot controller. If you get on one of the medium gain modes, you can ride your guitar volume for an array of clean to distorted tones. The modes are quite unique, and you'd figure they would all sound similar, but not only do they have their own unique tone, some of them have different dynamics which makes them feel more like the amps they represent. If you start itching for a Satch JVM, don't get too excited because it's quite good and a little improvement on the JVM, but there is some rawness to the JVM that I really like to retain a times. Cool score man.

Yeah, do you have a link to the mods?

Here is a pretty comprehensive list of JVM mods and how to do them. I am comfortable soldering in my guitars for pickups or whatever, but not with PCBs on my amplifiers so I paid a pro to mod it. He was familiar with all the mods I requested and set the bias as well.

http://www.marshallforum.com/threads/jvm-mods.101251/

Yep. I just got rid of my PPC412 and went to the PPC212.

Don't get me wrong, the 412 is an AMAZING 4x12 cab and I wouldn't hesitate to to own another one, but the 2x12 is pretty fearsome sounding in itself, it's half the weight, and when it's mic'd up the difference in sound going to the PA isn't all that much. I just got tired of hauling around a cab that heavy in a Honda Civic.

I use an Orange 2x12 for practicing at home and playing out. I rehearse with an Orange 1x12. I love these cabs. The 2x12 has so much beefiness and sweetness it's hard to even put into words how amazing that cab is. The 1x12 is a different beast - still sweet, but even more punchier and it is much brighter. I can't say enough good things about the Orange cabs and my JVM together. I haven't played an Orange 4x12 but just the thought of the weight turns me off to it.

 

[B2D]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

I had my local amp tech do the work for me. I'm not sure what his source for schematics was. I live in the Tampa Bay area of Florida, so if any of you guys are nearby and need a recommendation for a tech please PM me and I'll gladly share his info. See below for link to the mods.

Here is a pretty comprehensive list of JVM mods and how to do them. I am comfortable soldering in my guitars for pickups or whatever, but not with PCBs on my amplifiers so I paid a pro to mod it. He was familiar with all the mods I requested and set the bias as well.

http://www.marshallforum.com/threads/jvm-mods.101251/

I use an Orange 2x12 for practicing at home and playing out. I rehearse with an Orange 1x12. I love these cabs. The 2x12 has so much beefiness and sweetness it's hard to even put into words how amazing that cab is. The 1x12 is a different beast - still sweet, but even more punchier and it is much brighter. I can't say enough good things about the Orange cabs and my JVM together. I haven't played an Orange 4x12 but just the thought of the weight turns me off to it.

Thanks very much for that list of mods! I really appreciate it.

I'm in SoCal. I know of a local tech that can service the amp as stock but he seemed a bit quizzical when I asked him if he could mod the amp. I'm close enough to LA that I could probably find someone there to do it well if I provided them with the information.

As I said I had the 4x12 for about 18 months... incredible cab but it was too much firepower for most gigs, and as we've mentioned it's a heavy, heavy cab. Having a furniture dolly to move it was probably the best $20 I spent on my live gear in a long time.

What finally sold me on the 2x12 was hearing a local stoner rock band that had a huge, thick, chewy sound and they all had Orange 2x12s miced up well and I thought 'if they can get that sound with a 2x12, then I don't need my 4x12' and I made the switch. Took me a bit to find one in black though.

At the same time... a 4x12 like that is like having a muscle car. It's just so much power and it feels awesome when you open it up.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: NAD: Marshall JVM 410h

It’s been a year to the day since I posted in this thread... must be the right time of year for JVM GAS.

Everyone still happy with theirs? How does Clean Green sound with OD pedals? How does Clean Amber and Crunch Green sound with a fuzz and/or Vibe?

What speakers are you all using with yours?