New Amp: Bugera 6262

[Zerberus]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

A new amp is always cool, congrats. IMO a used Peavey would have been a much better investment and barely pricier, but that´s me...

Its quite funny, i spent the last half hour researching Bugera.. and it seems EVERYWHERE the conclusion is "OMG the tone is so much better than the amps it copies, but my best friends sisters mailmans brothers chicken-cutters father said they break down in afew weeks".. I wonder how many actually run into issues, and how much is hearsay.

If I was looking for a head, I would probably get a 333, but Im not looking atm

This would be prefectly in line with everything else Behringer makes. "Let the others do expensive R&D, keep the tone, lose the build quality. As long as we get the quick, easy cash with minimal effort of our own."

That said the both 6262 and 333xl I demoed few weeks back both sounded quite anemic compared to the real thing right next to it, regardless of whether thru the Bugera or Peavey cab.

As far as longevity, I´ve seen Behringer cabs literally self-disintegrate after falling down 10 steps. For comparisom, my 4x12 has actually fallen from the second story and caused more damage to the pavement than the cab... I think that settles which I´d rather have on the road with me. And TBH I doubt the Bugera´s are any better in build quality.

As far as how well the heads are built, anything under 1 year of daily road use is no test IMO. My Marshall has 20 years on it without a single failure save the time it fell off our equip truck and broke the headcab into 7 ppieces. Was still back up and running without a hitch 2 hours later, though, and hasn´t caused a single issue since.

When Bands start to come though on tour with Bugera, I´ll reconsider my build quality standpoint. Until then they´re still a poorly built forgery made to suck the little man´s cash out of his pocket and teach them that "You get what you pay for"

 

[Rich_T]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Pretty much what Zerb said. I can second the cabs being complete junk.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Pretty much what Zerb said. I can second the cabs being complete junk.

I´ve never tried it, but I honestly wouldn´t be surprised if I could put a bare fist though the side....

 

[Rich_T]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

I made the fatal error of just bringing my head to a gig at my uni once, the sound guy said he had great cabs already. I get there and guess what. Behringer. I plug my 2204 into it and within 5 minutes the thing had died of fright. One of the speakers rattled right off the baffle board. We had to go home and get my 1960.

 

[DankStar]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

tried it in a shop, dug it. good prices.

have to say it was very noisy in the shop I tried it. dude said it was his lights in the store, but I'd have to hear it in a different place to tell for sure.

don't think I'll ever own one. I'm trying to ween myself off of super high gain metal.

 

[phil_104]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

The 333xl at my shop sounds like bad Peavey hi-gain thru a transistor radio with blown-out subs.

You guys should really try some hand-wired tube amps or something.

Comparing apples and oranges man. Hand-wired and high quality stuff obviously smokes bugera, but it's not in the same league price wise, or target market wise.

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Wow, it's a good thing I started this thread only to have people bag on the amp I chose. Kind of reminds me of when I got a Peavey JSX and made it known. People came out of the woodwork to talk trash on that amp. It's funny a couple of years later, the same said people tried the JSX and were singing it's praises.:smash:

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Reality Check!

LOL?? Who´s bagging on your amp? I see a general discussion about the quality of Behringer products (which do not at this point have a stellar track record as YOU YOURSELF stated), and a few opinions that may differe from yours but are notr in any way derogatory towards the amplifier or manufacturer... 1 or 2 jokes in on the side are the only things I can find that could even remotely be described as "bagging".

Grand total of clearly derogatory statements aimed mostly at discrediting the amp or manufacturer: 2.

The 333xl at my shop sounds like bad Peavey hi-gain thru a transistor radio with blown-out subs.

You guys should really try some hand-wired tube amps or something.

IMO More of a joke than anything else.

..and as a final closing to my post, which was filled with real world experiences that many people here siimply don´t have:

When Bands start to come though on tour with Bugera, I´ll reconsider my build quality standpoint. Until then they´re most likely still a poorly built forgery made to suck the little man´s cash out of his pocket and teach them that "You get what you pay for", as are the rest of Behringer´s products.

But NEITHER of these comments have anything to do with your amp.

The only person to say anything "bad" about Bugera or Behringer was me... Obviously you´re bothered by the word "anemic", because nothing else said after that by anybody was in any way specific to your amplifier. So the only logical thing to do is to explain what exactly I meant by "Anemic".

The amplifiers both had less sparkle and warmer cleans than the original. In high gain use the 333xl was minimally tighter than the JSX but also fizzier, and the 6262 was looser than the 6505+ but had a certain square wave character much more characteristic of a solid state amp w/o peak smoothing. This could have been a damaged tube, blown cap in the preamp, or bad design. It didn´t sound musical and I assume it wasn´t intentional. In general they sounded very similar, most probably could not tell the 2 apart in each comparison if they were played by different people or in a differing style. Recorded the differences would be even smaller thanks to micing techniques, processing, and post eq.

But the Bottom line is that I didn´t like them as much as the ones they were clones of and to me they sounded like they weren`t really trying... hence "anemic"

Other than that I can only see references to real world experiences with Behringer´s build quality. And in my case a line denoting what experience I need to have with an amp BEFORE making that judgement about the Bugera´s.

Most herer even voiced positive sentiments towards the amplifiers.

If you consider this thread "bagging" on your amp, despite 85% of the comments being positive or neutral and those that are negative being jokes or aimed at the manufactiurers track record and not in any way your amp, I recommend you don´t post about new gear any more, because it gets a LOT worse when people have more experience with a product so as to have more people with firm views on it.

Seriously, if 2 people that don´t feel strongly positive are "bagging", then you probably need to avoid brand name merchandise altogether, esp. from Gibson, Fender, PRS, Jackson/Charvel, ESP/LTD, G&L, Schecter, Warmoth, Peavey, VHT, Mesa, Ampeg..... those threads will make you cry with all the hate

 

[cronnin]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

The difference in volume between 60 watts and 120 watts is so minimal anyway.
Remember the rule, double the volume equals 10 per cent more volume, hence 10 times the power equals double the volume.
The reason why anyone makes amps with more than 50 watts in today's age is because of the added headroom, not volume.

Cool, then why don't they make 333 - 1x12 in 30W version?
That would be just 20% less volume and perfect tube gizmo for my basement rehearsals. For that purpose I don't need studio quality sound or touring stamina.

Yeah, and considering all it should be priced $300

p.s. By the way,I never played through a hand wired amp. Probably the most expensive one I played was ~$1000.
It is obvious that other amplifiers costing 2x, 3x, or 4x must sound better, so there is no need for a fight
It would be cool if people who actually have/played fancy amps could tell us others what are the downsides of Bugera, so that we could consider the purchase according to the planned usage of the amp. It would be some kind of proactive BB BS
Ok,so now we know they are poor build, sensitive both hardware and electronics, and sound anemic comparing to the originals
Maybe the right question would be - Are they worth the money they cost?

 

[TSE]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Not to be a party pooper, but I boycott amps like these or any cheap ripoff of anything that tries to undercut the real thing. Its another way that foreign countries get our money for cheap crap and the real deal companies have to outsource product and jobs overseas to compete. Stick with the original. Just my .02

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Zerb: Thanks for always taking the time to explain the kind of things i impulsively throw sarcastic comments at.

OP: Nobody's bagging on your amp, we're just exchanging experiences. I've never heard your amp but the 333XL i've played doesn't really make me want to.

Cronnin: If you're used to cheap solidstate amps then i bet the Bugera stuff will sound awesome. The high-end handwired amps just take it to the next step...adding tubes is nice, but having high-quality parts all across the board is AWESOME.

I suggest you put on a nice shirt and go to a sweet boutique shop and pretend you have money to spend :smokin:

TSE: You and me both brother!

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Not to be a party pooper, but I boycott amps like these or any cheap ripoff of anything that tries to undercut the real thing. Its another way that foreign countries get our money for cheap crap and the real deal companies have to outsource product and jobs overseas to compete. Stick with the original. Just my .02

I agree 100% :beerchug:

 

[ken361]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

:smash:These amps sound better then the piece of crap peavey triple xxx the distortion just didn't do it for me, the clean was nice. The 6260 with some good cables and even speaker cable change and preamp tube change sounds pretty sweet to me then add a mxr stereo chorus to fatten the sound which helps alot. Has the gain of a 5150III. you can buy a 6505 if you wanna spend the cash thats fine but for the money these amps kick ass, its not a plexi but still a nice amp and im pickey as hell when it come down to distortion

 

[phil_104]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Not to be a party pooper, but I boycott amps like these or any cheap ripoff of anything that tries to undercut the real thing. Its another way that foreign countries get our money for cheap crap and the real deal companies have to outsource product and jobs overseas to compete. Stick with the original. Just my .02

Can't agree more.

 

[StrangeSound]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Not to be a party pooper, but I boycott amps like these or any cheap ripoff of anything that tries to undercut the real thing. Its another way that foreign countries get our money for cheap crap and the real deal companies have to outsource product and jobs overseas to compete. Stick with the original. Just my .02

:headbang:

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Zerb: Thanks for always taking the time to explain the kind of things i impulsively throw sarcastic comments at.
....

Is that good?:eek13::beerchug:

 

[J Moose]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Comparing apples and oranges man. Hand-wired and high quality stuff obviously smokes bugera, but it's not in the same league price wise, or target market wise.

So you shop for USED gear.

What a concept!

Several years ago I scored a VHT 1x12 pitbull 50 w/ calzone flight case from a rinky dink mom & pop music store that was filled with Fender & PV stuff. I almost walked left and one of the guys told me about the way back... saw the VHT sitting there...

$500.

Put down the plastic and drove like I stole it... because I did!

And then there's the '61 blonde Bandmaster I got for $125 in the parking lot of Scam Cash...

They didn't want it because the tremolo didn't work...

Suckers.

STOP shopping at the Guitar Marts and dig around... pay cash!!!

The deals are out there... and lifes too short to be stuck w/crappy gear.

Besides, when you consider that the average repair on a 100 watt tube head is about $200 (at least in major markets) and you weigh that to a head that's $500 new...

Your first repair will cost HALF as much as the amp.

Which is why companies like Behringer & Crate don't even take broken stuff back under warranty... they'll just replace the whole thing. Its CHEAPER for them to do that then to fix it. Even if its just a busted pot or input jack.

The 'repair or replacement' clause.

 

[cronnin]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

@Emptypockets: I must agree with you, but I just wanted to point out than not all people have/want/need to spend $2K for an amplifier.
Sometimes one just have to compromise.

If you consider a 15 year old kid who won't go on the road for at least 2-3 years, and his amp probably will not move from his basement, and who has only $500 in his pockets, this offer looks tempting

I would totally love to try some of those amps you're reffering to, but they don't keep 'em in the stores around. Here they have Fender DeVillez (cleans are awesome comparing to Bugera) , Marshalls DSL and TSLs (hard to tell if it's better than Bugera when comparing the crunch channel), but Bugera lead channel is No1. in that group.

Note that is hard to compare amps cause you often try an amp with a different guitar /pickups. If you don't bring it home a have a couple of days with it, it's not fair

p.s. We also don't have too much used amps floating around here in Europe.Maybe some gen~60 Marshall of Blackface , but it won't be for a less than $1000

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Why is it ok for boutique companies to copy designs and make them crazy expensive, but not ok for Behringer to copy designs and make them available for people who can't afford the other stuff?

Anybody who's boycotting the Chinese stuff needs to add Seymour Duncan to the list.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

I think borrowing a design and enhancing it with better parts and your personal spin is a little bit different from blatantly copying another company's design with cheaper parts and trying to say it's just as good.

One takes something good and adds value, the other takes something good and TAKES value.

I see your point, I just think they're different.

oh and what amps do Seymour Duncan copy?