New Amp: Bugera 6262

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

I think borrowing a design and enhancing it with better parts and your personal spin is a little bit different from blatantly copying another company's design with cheaper parts and trying to say it's just as good.

One takes something good and adds value, the other takes something good and TAKES value.

I see your point, I just think they're different.

I know it's not the same, but I don't think they're so night & day different that one should be praised and the other hated. Both are still using somebody else's work as the basis for their product.

The other thing is that most people who buy Behringer stuff are likely doing so because they can't afford the "real" thing.

oh and what amps do Seymour Duncan copy?

Not amps, chinese made stuff. The pcbs in their pedals and pickups are made in china, so I always think it's funny when people gripe about chinese stuff on here. It's actually funny when anybody on any computer gripes about chinese stuff.

 

[shredheadfred]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

I don't get the hype about them things. I tried one and it sounded like a cheap sweat-shop made counterfeit Soldano. The dynamics were dead. Muddy low midrange. Reverb was all washy. It was everything I expected from a super cheap tube amp.

I heard the shops see a lot of returns on them things. Cheap solution for bedroom players in my opinion. I would not take one to a gig to save my life. Lots of hype in those amps. I hope you get a good payoff though. I aint tryin to rain on your thread.

 

[J Moose]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Not amps, chinese made stuff. The pcbs in their pedals and pickups are made in china, so I always think it's funny when people gripe about chinese stuff on here. It's actually funny when anybody on any computer gripes about chinese stuff.

Not even remotely the same thing...

Nobody has said that quality goods can't be made in china. Do I wish that the Duncan stuff was made in Japan, or Korea... or Latvia? Sure... but its not. Honestly the knobs on TT mayhem feel a bit flimsy but it also doesn't feel like its going to break when i step on it.

And those are original designs... not an exact copy of something else.

Behringer though...

Not only is the stuff made about as cheaply as it could possibly be, but the circuits are such clones that even the etchings on the boards are EXACTLY the same. No attempts to even disguise the stuff.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Not even remotely the same thing...

At no point did I say that Duncan was ripping anybody off. I only said that because the way this thread was going always leads to somebody griping about chinese made stuff.

How many people who can afford the real-deal stuff do you think buy Behringer? I don't really like how Behringer reverse-engineers stuff, but the quality difference is such that it shouldn't even really be considered competing products.

If Behringer made a copy of the Line 6 POD, changed a few values here and there, then charged 3X the price, would that be ok? Because that's pretty much exactly what all the boutique companies do.

 

[TSE]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

What is the point of buying a cheaper knock-off of something that may or may not last because it is of less quality and less than sound at half price like the Peavey ripoffs when you could save up enough for the original. I am quite poor, I don't live at home with my parents as a lot of people my age seem to be doing, I pay my bills, and I worked 74 hours a week for a few months at a couple of jobs to put aside some money for some "real" amps and gear.

Something that I'm going to have for many years to come and I couldn't be happier with my 6505+. I have had it for about 4 years with no problems, very reliable. I had a B-52 AT 100 prior to the 6505+ and I had many problems with that pos! Long story short I fixed it up, put it on Ebay, and I got $100 short of what I paid for it! You get what you pay for.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

yeah it's always better to just save for the quality goods than try to outsmart REALITY and trying to get something for nothing.

 

[phil_104]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

So you shop for USED gear.

What a concept!

Thanks for the tip, I had no idea! My mind is like ''whoa!'' right now.

To make a fair comparison with used gear though, you would have to compare used bugera stuff to used higher end amps. Once more, there would be an important price difference.

I gotta agree that used higher end product is almost sure to be a better buy than full price new bugera, if you take your time and make sure you are buying something nice.

I'm going to the music store this afternoon. I'll see if I can try a a 6262 out, and let you guys know what I think.

 

[ken361]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Thanks for the tip, I had no idea! My mind is like ''whoa!'' right now.

To make a fair comparison with used gear though, you would have to compare used bugera stuff to used higher end amps. Once more, there would be an important price difference.

I gotta agree that used higher end product is almost sure to be a better buy than full price new bugera, if you take your time and make sure you are buying something nice.

I'm going to the music store this afternoon. I'll see if I can try a a 6262 out, and let you guys know what I think.

try different cabs if you can, like to know the sound difference

 

[J Moose]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Thanks for the tip, I had no idea! My mind is like ''whoa!'' right now.

To make a fair comparison with used gear though, you would have to compare used bugera stuff to used higher end amps. Once more, there would be an important price difference.

I gotta agree that used higher end product is almost sure to be a better buy than full price new bugera, if you take your time and make sure you are buying something nice.

Used cheap gear, be it behringer or Smackie goes in the dumpster... usually...

See...

Here where I am, about 30 minutes out of NYC... used 5150 & JCM900 dual reverb heads can be had ALL day long for about $500-600. Which is the same price as a new Burgera, or Windsor... or so many other "cheap" MIC tube amps. Sometimes Boogie DC5's will pop up too... among other bits, like my $500 VHT pitbull.

Why buy something new & cheap as it is cheap when for the same money you could have the real deal?!?


I just DON'T get that...

But whatever.

Signing off.

10-4 over & out.

 

[phil_104]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Here where I am, about 30 minutes out of NYC... used 5150 & JCM900 dual reverb heads can be had ALL day long for about $500-600. Which is the same price as a new Burgera, or Windsor... or so many other "cheap" MIC tube amps. Sometimes Boogie DC5's will pop up too... among other bits, like my $500 VHT pitbull.

Man, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you. If you have the choice between a JCM900 or a bugera, you would be a total and complete idiot to go for the later.

I think the discussion got a little mixed up. If you read my reaction to the post where I stated that it was comparing apples and oranges, I was refering to hand wired tube amps, as was stated in the post I quoted. I hardly consider a 5150 hand wired, and thought you refered to real hand wired stuff, like DR Z amps and such. Those will really be in a different price range.

But yeah, I gotta agree, you would be out of your mind not to check the used market. Anyways, hope I didn't piss you off to much. :beerchug:

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Why buy something new & cheap as it is cheap when for the same money you could have the real deal?!?

Buying any guitar gear new is kind of silly.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Anybody who's boycotting the Chinese stuff needs to add Seymour Duncan to the list.

Care to explain why?

 

[drpietrzak]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

These threads are always amazing to me. :eyecrazy:

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Care to explain why?

Becasue the PC Boards and some of the small electronic components in the pedals and Blackouts are MIC. They´re still assembled and tested in the USA, but it´s simply MUCH cheaper to produce PC boards in China

 

[Danglin' Fury]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Ok, I will admit they are the kings of reverse engineering but I've had my amp for a few months now and play 3- hours a day. I've even dropped it 4 feet and have had no problems with it so far. And yeah, why do people think it's ok for other "high end boutique" amp companies to copy Marshall circuits. Hell, even Mesa is a fender with more gain stages and channel switching. Krank got their start from modding Sovtek Mig 50's. I'm not saying it's ok, but man, give 'em a shot. They might impress you.:rambo:

 

[Rich_T]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Fender to Mesa is like chimp to human in evolutionary terms.

Peavey to Bugera is like chimp to learning difficulties chimp.

 

[cronnin]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Here where I am, about 30 minutes out of NYC... used 5150 & JCM900 dual reverb heads can be had ALL day long for about $500-600. Which is the same price as a new Burgera, or Windsor... or so many other "cheap" MIC tube amps. Sometimes Boogie DC5's will pop up too... among other bits, like my $500 VHT pitbull.

Nice. We don't have anything like that here in Europe.
Maybe some 1980 Fender pops up every month or so

So, to conclude, if you can't get your hands on the real stuff, get yourself a Bugera clone. It's not perfect, but it isn't bad sounding either. Decent, cheap all-tube amp. You can always rent $3K amp for a studio recording sometime later.

 

[phil_104]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

Fender to Mesa is like chimp to human in evolutionary terms.

Peavey to Bugera is like chimp to learning difficulties chimp.

LMAO! I hadn't seen this, but it is totally going in my sig!.

 

[Curt]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

The 333xl at my shop sounds like bad Peavey hi-gain thru a transistor radio with blown-out subs.

You guys should really try some hand-wired tube amps or something.

funny, was that through the bugera speakers? I use the 333xl 2x12 combo. and I had the same experiences with the stock speakers, but after a speaker change (celestion golds) it sounds MUCH better.

still works, I sold it off to my friend for 300. Mainly because I have Major Rivera GAS and I need to get the cash as quickly as I can before my head explodes! :laughing:

and after 5 months the amp is still holding up, so i've got but one complaint with bugera's and that is that the speakers are complete garbage. but for that price, you would expect as much.

I think borrowing a design and enhancing it with better parts and your personal spin is a little bit different from blatantly copying another company's design with cheaper parts and trying to say it's just as good.

One takes something good and adds value, the other takes something good and TAKES value.

I see your point, I just think they're different.

oh and what amps do Seymour Duncan copy?

Bugera/Behringer never said that they were just as good as the originals. they set out to make a line of valve amps that can at least decently replicate the most famous amp tones. and for what they tried to achieve, they did a good job of that. the speakers are the only part of a bugera i've ever personally encountered a problem with.

 

[Ascension]

Re: New Amp: Bugera 6262

So you shop for USED gear.

What a concept!

Several years ago I scored a VHT 1x12 pitbull 50 w/ calzone flight case from a rinky dink mom & pop music store that was filled with Fender & PV stuff. I almost walked left and one of the guys told me about the way back... saw the VHT sitting there...

$500.

Put down the plastic and drove like I stole it... because I did!

And then there's the '61 blonde Bandmaster I got for $125 in the parking lot of Scam Cash...

They didn't want it because the tremolo didn't work...

Suckers.

STOP shopping at the Guitar Marts and dig around... pay cash!!!

The deals are out there... and lifes too short to be stuck w/crappy gear.

Besides, when you consider that the average repair on a 100 watt tube head is about $200 (at least in major markets) and you weigh that to a head that's $500 new...

Your first repair will cost HALF as much as the amp.

Which is why companies like Behringer & Crate don't even take broken stuff back under warranty... they'll just replace the whole thing. Its CHEAPER for them to do that then to fix it. Even if its just a busted pot or input jack.

The 'repair or replacement' clause.

Couldn't agree more.
I paid $175 out the door last year for a Music Man 112 65 or the Blackfaced 1965 Super i bought for $250 both from local Pawn shops. The best deal was the $1100 I spent on the one off Bruce Zinky handbuilt 120 watt Prosonic head I bought from Brad Whitford. Best tube head I have ever played through PERIOD and I'm slamming it at an outdoor gig tonight through a 4/12!!
Deals are out there ya gotta just LOOK!
Right now Carvin is blowing a BUNCH of stuff out on ebay if you want a DEAL those things are bulletproof.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Carvin-X100B-10...ms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50
http://cgi.ebay.com/Carvin-MTS3212-...ms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50