new gear... new headaches.

[Grizzly_Diesel]

so i went out and bought an agile 928 elite septor. i love the guitar. but my rig isnt capable of handling the thunderous lows. im playing through a bugera 333xl infinium. and a marshall 4x12 cab. its a low end cab. now the guy i bought it from said he played it through a bass amp. could i run a 4x10 bass cab through my bugera to help manage the low end? is there a 4x12 guitar cab that can handle the lows. the low string on this thing is c#. anyone have any suggestions???

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

How 'bout a 1x15 bass cab?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

full stack
one 4x12 cab
one 1x15

as LPB suggested

 

[Wormhelmet]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

I know a lot of bands now dropping a sub under the 4/12. Get a passive crossover and let the sub do the super low work.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

thats not a bad idea with the cross over. but will my head handle a 1x15. power wise. im not to savvy with bass gear but i do know they require a bit more power. plus itd have to be the same impedance.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

whats a god 1x15 brand. i dont wanna spend a ton of money. what about a 4x12?

 

[vinta9e]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Cut off the low end.

 

[Boogie Bill]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Here's a thought...

Look for one of the older Peavey TNT, Combo 300, or Data Bass bass combo amps. These will have a 115 cab, with either a Scorpion (good) or Black Widow (best) speaker.

And here is the fun part...they have a built-in crossover. Feed guitar into bass amp preamp. Crossover LOW OUT goes back to the bass amp. Crossover HI OUT goes to your Bugera. Set the Crossover FREQUENCY. Instant bi-amped system.

This is really a great way to do a set up like this. I've done it with guitar, keyboards and bass. And just one of the advantages is that you have so much control over the tone of both highs and lows as separate systems, AND...you can even use different processing, like using reverb or modulation on the higher notes, while being able to keep the bass notes clean. Or, use an envelope filter on the lows for playing some slap funk. Spread the amps apart and use a stereo delay, or two chorus or phasor pedals at different rate and depth settings. Sonic tripping Dude!!!

Better yet, you can often find these amps at a bargain, and often cheaper than you could buy a simple 115 cab. Warning though...it's probably not a system you're going to want to use in an apartment. There will be THUNDER!

If you want more information on some of the older Peavey combo amps, I think they still have *.pdf files of their Owner's Manuals on their website.

Good luck!

Bill

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Bill

are you saying run one of the speaker outs from the bass amp to the bass amp speakers

then the other Bass Amp Speaker out to the guitar input of the Guitar amp?

I have a bi-amp-able Carvin Combo (old Red Line 600)
it has two speaker outs
to biamp it says to use speaker out one for the lows and speaker out 2 for the highs

I cant Imagine running the speaker out into the preamp of a guitar amp
with out damaging one or both amps

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

this is why i always come to the seymour duncan forums. so much knowledge available for the learning.

 

[Demanic]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

It sounds harder to do than it is. Run into the pre-amp of the bass amp. The high output from the crossover goes into the guitar amp's power section. Run the bass side back into the power section of the TNT. You should be able to rearrange the furniture with that setup.

 

[Boogie Bill]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Bill

are you saying run one of the speaker outs from the bass amp to the bass amp speakers

then the other Bass Amp Speaker out to the guitar input of the Guitar amp?

I have a bi-amp-able Carvin Combo (old Red Line 600)
it has two speaker outs
to biamp it says to use speaker out one for the lows and speaker out 2 for the highs

I cant Imagine running the speaker out into the preamp of a guitar amp
with out damaging one or both amps

From what you describe, your Carvin sounds like it has two power amps built in. And correctly, you would not want to go from a SPEAKER OUT to the input of a guitar amp.

The Peavey bass combos only have one internal amp. The crossover's LOW OUT needs to be patched back into the POWER AMP IN. Now the Peavey will amplify only the low frequencies. The HI OUT will feed a line level signal out into another amp. I had no trouble going into pedals and a guitar amp input. If it's too hot for your input, you might have use a step-down transformer or a resistor "pad". Or patch it into the "efx return" or "power amp in".

I hope that clarifies my earlier post.

Bill

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Of course that makes more sense

I was assuming the Peavey was like the Carvin

I will have to look closer at the Carvin
I believe the crossover is in the preamp section
But I'm not sure

*(Sent from my durned phone!)*

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Cut off the low end.

Kinda funny that everyone ignored this but this is actually a good and one of the more commonly employed solutions. Use some sort of EQ or something to filter off some lows particularly so they dont mush up your amps gain stages.

Most bassamps lack the gain you will want and using a pedal or preamp infront of one to get the gain will probably lop off the low end anyways so you will wind up not needed the bassamp.

using a ported cab inconjunction with lopping off the eq before the gain stages would yield good results. I would just be concerned about leaving sonic room for the bass player. Which is a big reason why guys doing the ultra low stuff try for a different tonality from what a bass gives.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Cut off the low end.

+1 to this. Too much lows coming from guitar really mess up the mix of the band. Leave the ultra low frequencies for the bass guitar and kick drum (and sometimes some lowly tuned toms).

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

Many 12" speakers can handle 8-strings just fine. I don't mean this in an offensive way, but if it's a Marshall MG or AVT or Valvestate cab... yeah, those can't handle low-end particularly well. Keep in mind those speakers have a pretty light magnet and, hence, are not particularly headroom-y or low-endy and the cab itself is probably undersized and not particularly lively-sounding either. If a bass amp was played through it, there is even a slight chance damage to the speakers could have been made.

I would personally look into replacing a couple or all of the speakers with something that can deal out better, cleaner, bigger low-end like Celestion K-100's, or look into upgrading the cab altogether instead of adding a second cab. I'd personally stay within the realm of guitar cabs instead of bass cabs if you still want it to sound like a guitar and not a bass.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

Re: new gear... new headaches.

thats what id really like to do. i want to keep it as "simple" as possible. and yeah its a smaller low end cab. i would like to find a bigger cab and loads it out with better speakers. you ever deal with emminence texas heat or swamp thangs?