New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

[Zerberus]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

THanks for the Info, Ari... I´ll definitely have to play one first, but please tell me as soon as a Floyd model is finished...

Then again, if the material can be worked with the same as wood, wouldn´t it be possible to just mold a solid body and rout for a Floyd on a Custom model? Just an idea because I´m really interested in these but I´ve tried the Schaller LP before and it doesn´t cut it for me....

A Kahler Flat Mount would also be an alternative, but there is a little bit of routing required there as well, plus the mounting height is higher so it may or may not work with the Tune-O-Matic setups you already have....

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

THanks for the Info, Ari... I´ll definitely have to play one first, but please tell me as soon as a Floyd model is finished...

The Floyd version will be only a prototype. But when it is ready I can inform U how it is working.

Then again, if the material can be worked with the same as wood, wouldn´t it be possible to just mold a solid body and rout for a Floyd on a Custom model?

It is not possible to mold a solid body, without making a new mold. As completely solid the guitar would weight about 6-8kg, not so nice to rock 'n' roll with it on stage...

You have to remember when You think different options, that the body and the neck are injection molded in over 1000bar pressure. The mold is VERY expensive and you can't try any cheap tricks with it or it will end up in a disaster.

A Kahler Flat Mount would also be an alternative, but there is a little bit of routing required there as well, plus the mounting height is higher so it may or may not work with the Tune-O-Matic setups you already have...

We don't have any standard tune-o-matic set ups.
We have two different neck angles and the "higher" neck allows rather high tremolo installations, as you can see from earlier attached picture, the pic where You can see the tremolo springs.

My personal opinion is that there should be something better that Floyd. It is about 25 year old invention and very heavy piece of metal.

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[shredaholic]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

great thread, if only all advertising on forums was like this!

the orange translucent guitar that shows the material underneath looks killer, reason enough to buy one of these guitars, let alone all the other benefits

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

great thread, if only all advertising on forums was like this!

the orange translucent guitar that shows the material underneath looks killer, reason enough to buy one of these guitars, let alone all the other benefits

Thanks shredaholic!

Actualy I would like to make the first "open code" guitar which would be designed openly on a net forum.
I don't know would it be possible since every detail would be a 1000 posts argument :smack:

Since you like the Orange Rautia here is one more picture

By the way this baby lives in my home now
It is my favorite also.

 

[Forbes]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

^^^^Thats looks awesome.

 

[shredaholic]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

^^^^Thats looks awesome.

that it does! :32:

by the way Ari, you've got a PM

 

[Mephis]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

I like the idea of never having to worry about heat warping a neck, or any of the problems you have with wood.

hell, doesn't look like water would even have an adverse affect on the body.


This could be a giggers dream come true. You should make a floyd/1 Humbucker shread machine.

 

[That90'sGuy]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

I LOVE this guitar! How much would one of these things run in US dollars?

Very cool concept, I love seeing designers take guitars in new directions :fing2:

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

I LOVE this guitar! How much would one of these things run in US dollars?

Very cool concept, I love seeing designers take guitars in new directions :fing2:

Hi Chris!

If You love the guitar, then SHOW ME THE MONEY :wink:
These go for 1450 USD to 2090 USD (out side Finland without taxes)

The price has been writen earlier in this thread, but I know that reading a whole thread on a forum is not so popular sport :22:

Cheers
Ari
Flaxwood Guitars

ps.
The pic you did link to is the first RZZ prototype.
It was played on a festival just few days after it was ready and it worked perfectly. The production model has a bigger f-hole (nicer)

 

[TheGZeus]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

Hi TheGZeus!

Is this the right page?
http://www.kahlerparts.com/

What Locking Kahler does not need any carving?

By the way, carving is no problem to us. The material can be carved as normal wood with same machines :smoker:
We have made some proto models with vintage tremolos, but the Schaller tremolos sound is outstanding compared to vintage tremolo.

Here is a pic of our flat neck angle Fairlane proto where the tremolo has been "carved in"

Most of their models require a like 1-2mm indentation and is then attached directly to the body.

I realise 'carving' is a non-issue, but I think it would make sense for a guitar built to exacting standards and DESIGNED from the ground up for tone, as opposed to designing around the materials to have a tremolo built with alot more top contact.

I've designed/re-worked a tremolo design that would have the range of any floyd, but not have to reduce top contact, but it's really mre suited to fully hollow archtops/people ADDICTED to tune-o-matics.

These guitars seem to be more forward thinking than that.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

Most of their models require a like 1-2mm indentation and is then attached directly to the body.....

I´m starting to wonder, why does everybody keep stating that Kahlers dont need a routing?? The only one that needs no routing is the 33xx series, but that´s also a hardtail and not a trem... Both the Flyer and the Pro models (incl the Reissues /new ones) require this rout... (middle of this page)

http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_guitar_bridge_routing.cfm

It´s a lot less wood that a Floyd or V-trem, yes.... But if I´m removing 1"(W)x1"(L)x1"(D) of wood with a half inch shelf in the front, I´d definitely call that a rout.

Some manifacturers did recess the Kahlers 1-2 mm onto the body to bring the neck angle down, so that may or may not be where that impression comes from... but more common is actually an additional spacer on the bottom to RAISE the bridge another 2mm or so

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

I´m starting to wonder, why does everybody keep stating that Kahlers dont need a routing?? The only one that needs no routing is the 33xx series, but that´s also a hardtail and not a trem... Both the Flyer and the Pro models (incl the Reissues /new ones) require this rout... (middle of this page)

http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_guitar_bridge_routing.cfm

It´s a lot less wood that a Floyd or V-trem, yes.... But if I´m removing 1"(W)x1"(L)x1"(D) of wood with a half inch shelf in the front, I´d definitely call that a rout.

Some manifacturers did recess the Kahlers 1-2 mm onto the body to bring the neck angle down, so that may or may not be where that impression comes from... but more common is actually an additional spacer on the bottom to RAISE the bridge another 2mm or so

Thanks Zerberus,

That was a very informative link You did put there.

We can use vintage, Floyd or Kahler tremolos on Flaxwood, but the key of all is the SOUND, not the routing. Example vintage tremolo sounds like s**t compared to the Schaller tremolo. Flaxwood top is only 5mm thick between the the strings, so the most of the vibrations is delivered thru the last two screws if vintage tremolo is used.

To get the best out from the Flaxwoods unique body, the locking tremolo should be standing between two or four poles above the top (two in front and two at the back). This way it would be perfect for us.

The back plate can be modified easily for easy access for the possible tremolo springs, but the best would be that the tremolo is one package with springs attached to it (Like the Schaller). I find it stone age method to have it like it is in vintage or Floyd tremolos, "monkey bed" underneath the guitar...

Here is a picture of a wraparound that we use

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

Here is a picture of a wraparound that we use

I'm sorry if I come out as a jerk or a fool, so pardon my ignorance, but how do you get that to intonate without separate, adjustable string "things" (tallapala)?

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

I'm sorry if I come out as a jerk or a fool, so pardon my ignorance, but how do you get that to intonate without separate, adjustable string "things" (tallapala)?

If you take a look, you can see the adjusting screws in the bridges body near the posts... these are used to set the intonation of the 2 e strings.

Then if you look at the bridge itself you´ll see 2 round-headed screws between the a+d and the b+g pairs... If you loosen those screws, you can slide the top a bit forwards or backwards

Only real issue that I have with that style of bridge is that almost no wound G will intonate properly...

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

If you take a look, you can see the adjusting screws in the bridges body near the posts... these are used to set the intonation of the 2 e strings.

Then if you look at the bridge itself you´ll see 2 round-headed screws between the a+d and the b+g pairs... If you loosen those screws, you can slide the top a bit forwards or backwards

Ok, thanks! I thought that those two round-headed screws had something to do with it, but I couldn't figure out how they'd help all six strings. Especially when compared to a standard t-o-m with individually adjustable tailpieces(?). Don't they make wraparaounds with them as well? At least tonepros? Or do they sound worse?

 

[Zerberus]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

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To get the best out from the Flaxwoods unique body, the locking tremolo should be standing between two or four poles above the top (two in front and two at the back). This way it would be perfect for us...

Hmm, there used to be a version of the Kahler PRO Trem (which was later also produced for Gibson ) which was mnounted on standard Tune-o-Matic posts....but I don´t know if there are plans to "recontinue" those as well, you may want to talk to Gary Kahler or Tony Saccoia directly at www.kahlerusa.com

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

I'm sorry if I come out as a jerk or a fool, so pardon my ignorance, but how do you get that to intonate without separate, adjustable string "things" (tallapala)?

If you look closely You can see that there is four adjustments on the bridge.
First you intonate the E strings with the screws at the ends of the bridge and then there is two movable string saddles on the middle.

I can a sure you that no matter what guitar you have now I'm ready to take the “Bare challenge”. With Flaxwood bare chord if perfectly in tune no matter how high You take it, and all the strings sound with equal volume, no dead spots any where.
How is it with your guitar?

Our upper saddle is compensated with tune-x-tuning system nut

Edit: We have tune-o-matic as a custom shop choice

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

If you look closely You can see that there is four adjustments on the bridge.
First you intonate the E strings with the screws at the ends of the bridge and then there is two movable string saddles on the middle.

I can a sure you that no matter what guitar you have now I'm ready to take the “Bare challenge”. With Flaxwood bare chord if perfectly in tune no matter how high You take it, and all the strings sound with equal volume, no dead spots any where.
How is it with your guitar?

Our upper saddle is compensated with tune-x-tuning system nut
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5112/tunex1ye.jpg

No need for any challenges, I believe you already. My Gibson could use a new bridge with bigger allowance for intonation.

Your guitars really do look nice, now only if one could try them in action here.

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

Hmm, there used to be a version of the Kahler PRO Trem (which was later also produced for Gibson ) which was mnounted on standard Tune-o-Matic posts....but I don´t know if there are plans to "recontinue" those as well, you may want to talk to Gary Kahler or Tony Saccoia directly at www.kahlerusa.com

This?

 

[Flaxwood]

Re: New guitar innovation equipped with Seymour Duncan's

No need for any challenges, I believe you already. My Gibson could use a new bridge with bigger allowance for intonation.

Your guitars really do look nice, now only if one could try them in action here.

About yr Gibson>
If it is a tune-o-m Gibson, when the strings are tightened, they pull the bridge towards the neck.
Sometimes it helps if You pull the bridge back towards the stop-tailpiece.
It can move 2-3mm, and it makes all the difference for the intonation.