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A circuit that would work well with the noiseless Strat pickups and would EQ them to a more authentic Strat sound. A dedicated tone control, so to speak.

It would be great to find one for noiseless tele pickups as well...


I think it's mostly about making single coils sound like humbuckers and making humbuckers sound like single coils. Isn't it?
 
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Maybe an onboard tuner, then you could marry that up to some powered tuners that....oh no, wait a minute.....:D
 
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Maybe drop in "tone modules" in a similar way to the ols SD amps. You could have a socket on the scratchplate, then fit pots/caps/resistors in certain configurations to give certain tones...
 
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Everyone has a boost of some sort....

I would like a tone knob that could actually be used for something other than a resistor.

How about a tone knob (probably active) that would take medium-hot and high output 'buckers and reduce the output to the more moderate levels of traditional PAF tone while increasing dynamics and curving the voicing to a more PAF tone. While all the way up, it would have the same effect as a standard 500K pot.


A trim pot could be added on the back of it to adjust for varying pups (set it all the way down and adjust the trim for the appropriate "PAF tone" for your particular pup/guitar.

Just a thought, but I would love a device that would dial back a Distortion or Crazy 8 type output/tone to '78/PG sounds.

I think a price range of $55 to $80 or so would be about right, yup I would buy it if it worked as advertised.

I like these ideas...


Something that I've been thinking about is how to put an actually Ibanez TS9 circuit into the cavity of a guitar. I use that pedal all the time... it would be cool if it was just built in. Oh, and $55-80 is a price that I could easily justify.
 
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I was reading something about Jerry Garcia's guitars a long time ago and it mentioned that he used a "Unity Gain Buffer" in the control cavity to prevent signal loss through lots of effects..

yeah, sold to all the guys who are true bypass snobs :D
 
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Take the Mama Bear, strip it down to 2-3 input models, 4-5 output models (Jumbo, Parlor, Nylon, Reso, ...), include a 3 channel eq and a clean booster, add a tuner, pack it into a decently sized package that may replace current active piezo controls, and you've won the hearts of all amplified acoustic players.

Call it the Baby Cub, if you will ...

DoDo
 
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I love the Clapton mid boost when used with noiseless single coils (my preference- Lace Sensors). Problem is the wiring is a big PITA, not to mention routing for the circuit boart. A mid boost like the Clapton boost that gives an always on 12 db boost- and an additional 12 db midrange boost to tur singles into fire breathing humbuckers (like the Clapton)- that had simpler wiring and required no routing to a Strat would be great. Also, the TBX control would be needed, so you need a seymourized version of that too that boosts treble or bass, since the Clapton one needs treble and the TBX as the tone gets muddy as the TBX is cranked to full.

The Clapton boost is great, though we need a seymourized version. The Clapton Duncan Pickup Booster I bought did not sound as good to my ears as the Clapton boost

That would be the strat/blues midrange boost.

Next we need the metal boost. Jackson used to make one that's been discontinued that was used in their 80's guitars. Alex Laiho still uses them, and I think ESP has made a copy of it. Maybe Seymour could make their version catered to the metal crowd.

Clean boost- I haven't tried the Duncan on board boost, but found the EMG-PA-2 to be too cold and cheap sounding when used as a clean boost on EMG's and Blackouts- and I prefer the clean boost off a pedal- whether it's a Zack Wylde pedal, or modded TS-9. I guess these 2 pedals ass a bit of EQ to the mix, but they sound better than the PA-2 as a clean boost. Maybe a Duncanized version.
 
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Take the Mama Bear, strip it down to 2-3 input models, 4-5 output models (Jumbo, Parlor, Nylon, Reso, ...), include a 3 channel eq and a clean booster, add a tuner, pack it into a decently sized package that may replace current active piezo controls, and you've won the hearts of all amplified acoustic players.

Call it the Baby Cub, if you will ...

DoDo

funny you should say this ... i almost typed 'shrink mama bear' in my first post on this thread too

the thing about mama is not the number of input/output models .. theyre all in s/w and s/w takes up essentially no extra room per model ... but the real estate for the processor and a means to (AC) power it - even forgetting the EQ, Boost, Tuner you asked for - make this one essentially impossible .. but d@mn it would be crazy cool wouldnt it?
 
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GREAT THREAD!!

How about some kind of concentric pot control that acts as a double blender? One position blends pickups from bridge to neck, while the other blends humbucking coils in and out like a coil tap on a dimmer switch?

Maybe a mid-boost that has some trim pots inside the control cavity where you can fine-tune the boosted freq and Q ? It would be nice to be able to dial in a mid-boost to the frequencies most beneficial to your specific guitar and tonal preference...
 
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a circuit that will lower a humbucker's output gradually without changing the tone. imagine high output to vintage output at the twist of a knob. it is as if the turning of the knob results in unwinding wires off the coils.

better still, use a pot with a center detent. counter clockwise to cut and clockwise to boost the output without tonal coloration or changing the feel of the pickup.
 
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I want my Les Paul to sound like a Strat and my Strat to sound like a Les Paul.

That's it. That's what I want too. I think a lot of players want that.

I want my Fender to sound like a Gibson and my Gibson to sound like my Fender.

Hi Evan, I'd like to see an onboard circuit that would work with vintage style Strat pickups like the Surfer or Texas Hot or SSL-1 or APS-1 type pickups to make then sound as exact as possible to a great sounding paf humbucker.

And I'd like to see an onboard circuit that would work with vintage paf style humbuckers to clean them up and give them as exact a tone as possible to a great vintage Strat pickup. I'd use something like that mostly with the neck humbucker because I really miss the sound of a Strat neck pickup sometimes when I'm playing rhythm or clean styles on a two humbucker Gibson guitar.

Lew
 
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I've been saying for ages that SD should make on-board electronics! Finally I feel like my prayers have been answered.

What I'd like the most is a variable mid boos/cut circuit. Something that marries both the SPC and the EXG of the EMG DG20 circuit.
 
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I would love to see an onboard version of the pickup booster. I think somekind of onboard buffer for people who run lots of pedals would also be a pretty big hit.

the main thing has to be lack of modification to the guitar though. i think if you want to attract large crowds then anything more than the very very basic DIY skills have to be avoided.

Under a $100 and id seriously think about it.
 
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I'd suggest an onboard comb filter. Basically a stuck phaser that you can sweep with a knob. You can get some really different flavours that all sound like guitar. Like a Varitone almost but more flexible.

I used to be able to do this with my VG-88 and it was brilliant.
 
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I have never been drawn to onboard effects, but something which would be more intriguing would be a 2-knob parametric EQ, like the old Boss SP-1, or the midrange knobs of the Metal Zone. It would work as a fixed wah and a finger-rocker wah also.
 
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A lot of people have brought up the 9v thing and the modification thing - would it be feasible to make the unit w/ a 1/4" jack so you can just plug it in to your guitar? The other end would have a 1/4" socket so it would go between the guitar and your pedals, but attach to the guitar instead of being on the floor. However that means that you can't put the controls on the guitar, which is an obvious drawback...

I dunno, just thinking out loud.
 
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Regardless of what electronics you come up with, it has to have a really small form factor. My bet would be that the size of your market is going to be inversely proportional to the largest linear dimension of the product. Having to do extensive router work, fabricating custom control cavity covers, etc. starts to get to a whole other level than casual pickup swapping. Designing a module that will fit in an existing LP or tele control cavity is bound to be a huge challenge. It would drastically expand you potential market, though.
 
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I'm surprised SD are thinking about this. Guitarists are a conservative lot and most of the guitars that have appeared with onboard boosters, phase switches etc have been consigned to history.
 
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I've tried some mid-boost circuits and I always found that when I was just plugged into an amp it made the guitar really versatile but then when I put a tubescreamer, overdrive etc pedals in between the guitar and amp I found they were better than the mid-boost circuit.

I'd love to see the option of buying loaded scratchplates from duncan for hss strats that would allow you to have 500k for the humbucker and 250k for the singles and a coil tap.

But thats just what I would want.

Saying that I do think duncan could make money by selling a mid-boost circuit and a sustainer like the fernandes sustainer. Also the option of putting a kill-switch in strats may be popular as its not something I've seen done before and when I've spoken to luthiers about it they told me that they get a popping sound when they've done it with strats.
 
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I've been experimenting with LCR networks (sometimes called CRL networks). They are passive circuits, so people might actually buy them, as opposed to general adversity to active circuits.

A LCR network removes impedance from the pickup circuit without removing resistance or capacitance. So you get parts of the sound of a lower wind but a lower wind would also lower resistance and capacitance, so what you get is something that you cannot get by fiddling with the winding.

Sound-wise, it makes the sound "sweeter", more rounded, gives it more "bell". That's what you get if you leave resistance and capacitance high but lower impedance.

The most famous user is Ritchie Blackmore, if you follow his 1975-1995 tone you'll hear what I mean.

The only commercially available products I am aware of are Bill Lawrence Q-Filter and Dawk's (Blackmore's ex-roadie) MTC. Since I considered offering such a solution commercially I have shied away from going anywhere inside 5 miles of Dawk's work since he has already indicated that he's upset about people copying his work and I don't need the trouble. If he invented something he needs to file for a patent or shut up, but obviously avoiding any exposure to his product is the smooth way to go here.

Bill Lawrence Q-Filter will give you a LCR network but it is very, very underengineed. What you buy there is just a coil in a plastic mount and then you can build your basic LCR network with one more resistor and one more capacitor. The values he gives as example don't work very well. You can clearly hear that messing with the Q-filter that way gets you the right thing, the right direction, but it's just lacking the right values. Also, a LCR network should probably not just have it's own pot, but you would integrate the guitar's volume control to automatically blend in (like a treble bleed mod) some of the LCR circuit to sweeten up the tone when the guitarist take back the volume pot (which is what happens in Blackmore's guitar).

I have since replaced the fixed resistor with a trimmer and I'm in progress of using a 12-way rotary dial with different capacitors to dial the sucker in. But commercializing this will require a little broader approach, namely I have no idea whether the coil shipped as the Q-filter is right in the first place and I haven't even started integrating the volume pot.

Anyway, the commercial prospect of this is difficult to evaluate. On one hand, being a passive circuit removes the biggest obstacle, which is active electronics and the need for battery or phantom power, next to the plain prejudice against active guitars. You have a famous guitarist as an example. But just one, that's not very impressive, why don't other famous players use it? Another problem is that you should probably de-activate your normal tone circuit (or replace it with a 1 Mohm pot). That would raise adaption problems. Technically the best way to go is to have a push-pull that is a tone pot down and a LCR network up, or two 1 Mohm pots but then it's not "throw in" anymore.

But most importantly, to my ears this is a usable, good way to dial in "your" sound that cannot be had any other way. Even with a 250 or 500 Kohm tone pot still active it does good things. I would expect if a critical mass of early adaptors would write about their true impressions you'd probably ended up with a market. The "no Hi-Fi sound in my guitar!" crowd doesn't come after you and fundamentally, this is plain good stuff.
 
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