new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
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Stratovarious
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
Tone? they are goin for 25-30K
and to those who said
1. Owning a peice of history.
2. at even 10k Fender would be losing money
A:::
1. I really dont think so, because they're not buying ED's GUITAR. I've seen dudes replicas and have compiled prices for a basic franky, that WILL look good and be accurate... for about 1 grand, and we are talkin' top notch stuff. Ill bet Eddie's franky body was about 7 peices or something (more than 1 for sure) and we know his neck was a laminate (VH1 era, Hard Rock Maple on Birdseye Maple although im sure his later necks and charvel (not boogie bodies) neck was one peice, with skunk stripe).that said, the price includes a 1 peice body..
My Point is, even yourself, (I will repeat what has been said) you can make an amazing Franky
a replica ive seen that ..wowed me to say the least.
2. 10k, 10k?
ok let me put a complete bull**** price on each part.
ok ok ok
SD custom HANDWOUND BY THE MASTER HIMSELF TO YOUR SPECS (EDDIES lol) $300
Warmoth strat body, Ash, 1 peice..$250
Warmoth strat neck, Maple, 1 peice wth custom contour $250
Re-ranch or assorted brands Nitro red white and black..$400
Decent Tuners, $50
Original Floyd Rose, (prototypes, from early 80's) $300
Elbow Grease price bloating (relic-ing) : $300
Decent 500K VOLUME POT $20
$1920
with the most high end of high end parts.
Evh name $20k
Fender Name $5k
Stuff lying around $800
Relic-ing $3k[/s]
Seymour Duncan 0 ohm humbucker $???
21 fret neck $-Respect
Im just being realistic..
Maybe im not giving fender enough Credit, but we KNOW that this is just a money making scheme for Evh AND Fender, if they are great guitars, hats off to them, if not, I hope they match the wall.
Tone? they are goin for 25-30K
and to those who said
1. Owning a peice of history.
2. at even 10k Fender would be losing money
A:::
1. I really dont think so, because they're not buying ED's GUITAR. I've seen dudes replicas and have compiled prices for a basic franky, that WILL look good and be accurate... for about 1 grand, and we are talkin' top notch stuff. Ill bet Eddie's franky body was about 7 peices or something (more than 1 for sure) and we know his neck was a laminate (VH1 era, Hard Rock Maple on Birdseye Maple although im sure his later necks and charvel (not boogie bodies) neck was one peice, with skunk stripe).that said, the price includes a 1 peice body..
My Point is, even yourself, (I will repeat what has been said) you can make an amazing Franky
a replica ive seen that ..wowed me to say the least.
2. 10k, 10k?
ok let me put a complete bull**** price on each part.
ok ok ok
SD custom HANDWOUND BY THE MASTER HIMSELF TO YOUR SPECS (EDDIES lol) $300
Warmoth strat body, Ash, 1 peice..$250
Warmoth strat neck, Maple, 1 peice wth custom contour $250
Re-ranch or assorted brands Nitro red white and black..$400
Decent Tuners, $50
Original Floyd Rose, (prototypes, from early 80's) $300
Elbow Grease price bloating (relic-ing) : $300
Decent 500K VOLUME POT $20
$1920
with the most high end of high end parts.
Evh name $20k
Fender Name $5k
Stuff lying around $800
Relic-ing $3k[/s]
Seymour Duncan 0 ohm humbucker $???
21 fret neck $-Respect
Im just being realistic..
Maybe im not giving fender enough Credit, but we KNOW that this is just a money making scheme for Evh AND Fender, if they are great guitars, hats off to them, if not, I hope they match the wall.
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Stratovarious
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jmh151
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT the Fender/Charvel replica will be better than this
http://www.frankenstraat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=417&start=30
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT the Fender/Charvel replica will be better than this
http://www.frankenstraat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=417&start=30
tone?
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
You know man, i have seen James' work before ( from the net) and it is TOTALLY INSANE.
I doubt it too. They should get him to make them! lol
He should chime in on here.
one thing i would like to see, or rather hear is how good his guitars SOUND. They look absolutely killer. But i havent heard clips. Not doubting them, but hearing is believing.
You know man, i have seen James' work before ( from the net) and it is TOTALLY INSANE.
I doubt it too. They should get him to make them! lol
He should chime in on here.
one thing i would like to see, or rather hear is how good his guitars SOUND. They look absolutely killer. But i havent heard clips. Not doubting them, but hearing is believing.
jmh151
Active member
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
I would imagine they sound as good, if not better than any Charvel or Wayne guitar built out of similar woods.
They guy has put years of research into his replicas, much more than Jackson/fender/Charvel has into these recent EVH replicas.
I would imagine they sound as good, if not better than any Charvel or Wayne guitar built out of similar woods.
They guy has put years of research into his replicas, much more than Jackson/fender/Charvel has into these recent EVH replicas.
tone?
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
This is what gets me here.
Charvels and Waynes have been played and heard by tons. But these guitars havent.
I really am not denying that these guitars could be amazing. I just gotta hear it. ya know what i mean??
Isnt it weird that NO clips are to be heard from all that?? tell me the truth
This is what gets me here.
Charvels and Waynes have been played and heard by tons. But these guitars havent.
I really am not denying that these guitars could be amazing. I just gotta hear it. ya know what i mean??
Isnt it weird that NO clips are to be heard from all that?? tell me the truth
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
How long have you been working for JCMI so as to have access to this information? How long do you plan to continue working there, considering the disclosing of such information would be a violation of the terms of your employment?:eek13:
Anybody else here work for Jackson and know every exact detail about these guitars even before they´ve been released? I´m fairly certain that as a former endorsee and ex-delaer that my ties to the company and access to information are better than just about anyone here, but most obviously the reply to the e-mail I sent John Walker last month was full of nothing but carefully contrived lies and marketing bs with absolutely no truth about the product. Just kind of strange that I´d have never expected to find out everything is just one big lie on a totally different forum....
Seriously, some of you guys are talking out your asses so hard I can smell it over here in europe. Most of you have never built a guitar in your lives, never worked for a guitar manufacturer, never even bought more than a 500$ squier.... Yet for some reason, all of you know more about these guitars (and everything else that you don´t immediately desire) than the people that build, play and design them.
If some douche came into your auto workshop and started telling you that someone else´s work is better, even though he´s never really seen an example of yours or their first hand, you´d either slap them so hard their head would fall off or laugh hysterically at their hypocrisy and the sheer stupidity of some of the assumptions. You can all be farely sure that about 90% of the JCMI or FMIC employees that may browse the net and read a thread like this are laughing their asses off, if nothing else because your collective ignorance of the real world has made you play perfectly into the hands of the Marketing Department. :smack:
Side note: people wonder why the luthiers on the board barely do any more than lurk these days.... Maybe part of it has to do with all of you knowing so much more about building guitars than we do that we´re not interested in discussing it anymore
How long have you been working for JCMI so as to have access to this information? How long do you plan to continue working there, considering the disclosing of such information would be a violation of the terms of your employment?:eek13:
Anybody else here work for Jackson and know every exact detail about these guitars even before they´ve been released? I´m fairly certain that as a former endorsee and ex-delaer that my ties to the company and access to information are better than just about anyone here, but most obviously the reply to the e-mail I sent John Walker last month was full of nothing but carefully contrived lies and marketing bs with absolutely no truth about the product. Just kind of strange that I´d have never expected to find out everything is just one big lie on a totally different forum....
Seriously, some of you guys are talking out your asses so hard I can smell it over here in europe. Most of you have never built a guitar in your lives, never worked for a guitar manufacturer, never even bought more than a 500$ squier.... Yet for some reason, all of you know more about these guitars (and everything else that you don´t immediately desire) than the people that build, play and design them.
If some douche came into your auto workshop and started telling you that someone else´s work is better, even though he´s never really seen an example of yours or their first hand, you´d either slap them so hard their head would fall off or laugh hysterically at their hypocrisy and the sheer stupidity of some of the assumptions. You can all be farely sure that about 90% of the JCMI or FMIC employees that may browse the net and read a thread like this are laughing their asses off, if nothing else because your collective ignorance of the real world has made you play perfectly into the hands of the Marketing Department. :smack:
Side note: people wonder why the luthiers on the board barely do any more than lurk these days.... Maybe part of it has to do with all of you knowing so much more about building guitars than we do that we´re not interested in discussing it anymore
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Stratovarious
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
I like how you try to come off intelligent.
while your right, you cant get annoyed at people for making assumptions..
How long have you been working for JCMI so as to have access to this information? How long do you plan to continue working there, considering the disclosing of such information would be a violation of the terms of your employment?:eek13:
Anybody else here work for Jackson and know every exact detail about these guitars even before they´ve been released? I´m fairly certain that as a former endorsee and ex-delaer that my ties to the company and access to information are better than just about anyone here, but most obviously the reply to the e-mail I sent John Walker last month was full of nothing but carefully contrived lies and marketing bs with absolutely no truth about the product. Just kind of strange that I´d have never expected to find out everything is just one big lie on a totally different forum....
Seriously, some of you guys are talking out your asses so hard I can smell it over here in europe. Most of you have never built a guitar in your lives, never worked for a guitar manufacturer, never even bought more than a 500$ squier.... Yet for some reason, all of you know more about these guitars (and everything else that you don´t immediately desire) than the people that build, play and design them.
If some douche came into your auto workshop and started telling you that someone else´s work is better, even though he´s never really seen an example of yours or their first hand, you´d either slap them so hard their head would fall off or laugh hysterically at their hypocrisy and the sheer stupidity of some of the assumptions. You can all be farely sure that about 90% of the JCMI or FMIC employees that may browse the net and read a thread like this are laughing their asses off, if nothing else because your collective ignorance of the real world has made you play perfectly into the hands of the Marketing Department. :smack:
Side note: people wonder why the luthiers on the board barely do any more than lurk these days.... Maybe part of it has to do with all of you knowing so much more about building guitars than we do that we´re not interested in discussing it anymore
I like how you try to come off intelligent.
while your right, you cant get annoyed at people for making assumptions..
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
You obviously don´t know me well enough to know that I care more about the color of my farts than how I "come off"
Yes you can, namely when they present them time and time again, thread and thread again, as undisputable facts. An assumption is no longer an assumption when it has been disproven time and time again without creating new information on which to base that assumption. At that point, it becomes either a joke or an annoyance, more commonly the latter.
And after a few years, you start to consider whether or not the few people that do care to learn are worth tolerating the masses. At this point, I would honestly say No, and that´s why I barely come here any more.
That said, I am far from "annoyed". Annoyed would denote that this means something to me in a "feeling "sense. People do not have that luxury as far as I´m concerned, especially those that are no more than pixels on a screen. They are merely served the information so as to proceed to do with it as they see fit. If people prefer to disregard proven facts, then I see no reason for further interaction as that is the ultimate waste of time and in this case Internet Bandwidth.
Bottom line: I´ve spent enough years posting the exact same things and getting (at best) personally attacked for sharing knowledge that no layman will usually acquire that in the meantime I´ve actually come to prefer to let people die stupid. There´s just this ugly trait in me (morbid curiosity) that causes me to share the information anyway so as to be able to watch them act and die like lemmings anyway and be able to say "I told you so, *insert derogatory insult based on mental capability of choice*"
You obviously don´t know me well enough to know that I care more about the color of my farts than how I "come off"
Yes you can, namely when they present them time and time again, thread and thread again, as undisputable facts. An assumption is no longer an assumption when it has been disproven time and time again without creating new information on which to base that assumption. At that point, it becomes either a joke or an annoyance, more commonly the latter.
And after a few years, you start to consider whether or not the few people that do care to learn are worth tolerating the masses. At this point, I would honestly say No, and that´s why I barely come here any more.
That said, I am far from "annoyed". Annoyed would denote that this means something to me in a "feeling "sense. People do not have that luxury as far as I´m concerned, especially those that are no more than pixels on a screen. They are merely served the information so as to proceed to do with it as they see fit. If people prefer to disregard proven facts, then I see no reason for further interaction as that is the ultimate waste of time and in this case Internet Bandwidth.
Bottom line: I´ve spent enough years posting the exact same things and getting (at best) personally attacked for sharing knowledge that no layman will usually acquire that in the meantime I´ve actually come to prefer to let people die stupid. There´s just this ugly trait in me (morbid curiosity) that causes me to share the information anyway so as to be able to watch them act and die like lemmings anyway and be able to say "I told you so, *insert derogatory insult based on mental capability of choice*"
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Stratovarious
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
hahaha I like you.
well I suppose the point of these message boards in general are too post their (even wrong) opinions, there are just some of us who are allergic to the bull**** :banana:
and I suppose you have to understand, when theres a void in the knowledge of some people, they will fabricate something to fill the void. :dance: other prefer the eternal pursuit of "the truth" I daresay, thats like most of us on these boards.
You obviously don´t know me well enough to know that I care more about the color of my farts than how I "come off"
Yes you can, namely when they present them time and time again, thread and thread again, as undisputable facts. An assumption is no longer an assumption when it has been disproven time and time again without creating new information on which to base that assumption. At that point, it becomes either a joke or an annoyance, more commonly the latter.
And after a few years, you start to consider whether or not the few people that do care to learn are worth tolerating the masses. At this point, I would honestly say No, and that´s why I barely come here any more.
That said, I am far from "annoyed". Annoyed would denote that this means something to me in a "feeling "sense. People do not have that luxury as far as I´m concerned, especially those that are no more than pixels on a screen. They are merely served the information so as to proceed to do with it as they see fit. If people prefer to disregard proven facts, then I see no reason for further interaction as that is the ultimate waste of time and in this case Internet Bandwidth.
Bottom line: I´ve spent enough years posting the exact same things and getting (at best) personally attacked for sharing knowledge that no layman will usually acquire that in the meantime I´ve actually come to prefer to let people die stupid. There´s just this ugly trait in me (morbid curiosity) that causes me to share the information anyway so as to be able to watch them act and die like lemmings anyway and be able to say "I told you so, *insert derogatory insult based on mental capability of choice*"
hahaha I like you.
well I suppose the point of these message boards in general are too post their (even wrong) opinions, there are just some of us who are allergic to the bull**** :banana:
and I suppose you have to understand, when theres a void in the knowledge of some people, they will fabricate something to fill the void. :dance: other prefer the eternal pursuit of "the truth" I daresay, thats like most of us on these boards.
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
I agree 100%, SV. :beerchug:
But that doesn´t mean I have to like it, nor that I have to let false truths be spread without at least some resistance. Just because 99% of the world has zero idea what goes into making a guitar (and for the most part doesn´t care) doesn´t mean that I as a trained pro can´t at least try to keep the art alive. I for one don´t prefer chinese made knockoffs of once great guitars that have dwindled in quality due to increased sales of Knockoffs and the resulting budget, pay and resource cuts for the companies that actually innovate instead of simply imitating with the sole purpose of undercutting the original
I agree 100%, SV. :beerchug:
But that doesn´t mean I have to like it, nor that I have to let false truths be spread without at least some resistance. Just because 99% of the world has zero idea what goes into making a guitar (and for the most part doesn´t care) doesn´t mean that I as a trained pro can´t at least try to keep the art alive. I for one don´t prefer chinese made knockoffs of once great guitars that have dwindled in quality due to increased sales of Knockoffs and the resulting budget, pay and resource cuts for the companies that actually innovate instead of simply imitating with the sole purpose of undercutting the original
MikeS
Bengalsologist
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
Ah... nothing like taking advantage of those with incredibly deep pockets.
Not to discredit the incredible amount of skill, knowledge, and labor it would take to pull off such a feat, but you know the price these things are commanding have as much to do with marketing and the trends in the "collectibles" market than it does with the craft involved in making the actual product.
I wonder how they'll really sound when put up against similarly priced collectible pieces. After all, wasn't the original essentially assembled from miscellaneous "junk" parts? EVH made it sound good, but then again, there's only one EVH. Maybe for an extra $30K the'll find a way to manifest talent, and for an another $30K they'll include replicas of Eddie's hands.
Ah... nothing like taking advantage of those with incredibly deep pockets.
Not to discredit the incredible amount of skill, knowledge, and labor it would take to pull off such a feat, but you know the price these things are commanding have as much to do with marketing and the trends in the "collectibles" market than it does with the craft involved in making the actual product.
I wonder how they'll really sound when put up against similarly priced collectible pieces. After all, wasn't the original essentially assembled from miscellaneous "junk" parts? EVH made it sound good, but then again, there's only one EVH. Maybe for an extra $30K the'll find a way to manifest talent, and for an another $30K they'll include replicas of Eddie's hands.
tone?
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Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
i dont really know what to say................
Zerb, i dont know if you know this but i really respect your opinions here. You have shed light onto guitar subjects that i really have appreciated and its great that people like you are on here to provide us with that.
Really.
I personally believe in the art of making instruments as well as believing it doesnt take a rocket scientist to make a great Electric guitar. I think it is really amazing. But i also think it is ok for people to have other opinions,EVEN if they seem whacko to some of us. It really is ok.
I dont understand why from time to time you get personal and start waving the stupid stick around at certain people. Just because others have different opinions doesnt make anyone stupid.
I can pick up a PRS and for me it might be worth 5 grand, or even priceless. Another person can pick up the same guitar and think i am totally insane for liking it.
I dont think anyones opinion on subjects like these do anything to the art of luthery ( or however you spell it! LOL).
Do you really expect that one perfect day when you will wake up and everyone will finally say....." hey, now i finally see the worth in this custom guitar" ?
Does it really matter? You do what you do for YOU and YOU only. and a few others that beleive in what you do as well.
That for me, is why people like Tom Anderson, Surh, etc.. exist. People beleive in what they do and support them by digging their products and buying them.
Cant you imagine how bizzare it would be if everyone dug what they do??
So anyway, i think it is cool for people to have different views. Even if i think some of them are stupid. Cause, suprise im sure many people read my stuff and think that i am a moron! lol! actually sometimes i come back and read previous stuff of mine and think i am a retard myself...........
I just think that we shouldnt be so Black and White about stuff. Remember what Obi Wan said about dealing in absolutes. its the way of the Sith...(lol)
Seriously, other opinions are great even if they are from left field. I just think that we shouldnt say things in a personal way to hurt anyones feelings. Is your faith in your art so thin that someone else with a different opinion shakes it?
Closing, I for one really appreciate your posts most of the time Zerb. You have a cool sense of humor and supply the forum with valuble knowledge many times. People are free to do what they want. So you can post or not. If you stop coming here, I will miss your posts and help.
Do we always have to agree to be civil and friends? Cant we argue and then leave without a bitter taste in our mouth?
This might sound totally corny but i think that we can all learn from one another here.
i dont really know what to say................
Zerb, i dont know if you know this but i really respect your opinions here. You have shed light onto guitar subjects that i really have appreciated and its great that people like you are on here to provide us with that.
Really.
I personally believe in the art of making instruments as well as believing it doesnt take a rocket scientist to make a great Electric guitar. I think it is really amazing. But i also think it is ok for people to have other opinions,EVEN if they seem whacko to some of us. It really is ok.
I dont understand why from time to time you get personal and start waving the stupid stick around at certain people. Just because others have different opinions doesnt make anyone stupid.
I can pick up a PRS and for me it might be worth 5 grand, or even priceless. Another person can pick up the same guitar and think i am totally insane for liking it.
I dont think anyones opinion on subjects like these do anything to the art of luthery ( or however you spell it! LOL).
Do you really expect that one perfect day when you will wake up and everyone will finally say....." hey, now i finally see the worth in this custom guitar" ?
Does it really matter? You do what you do for YOU and YOU only. and a few others that beleive in what you do as well.
That for me, is why people like Tom Anderson, Surh, etc.. exist. People beleive in what they do and support them by digging their products and buying them.
Cant you imagine how bizzare it would be if everyone dug what they do??
So anyway, i think it is cool for people to have different views. Even if i think some of them are stupid. Cause, suprise im sure many people read my stuff and think that i am a moron! lol! actually sometimes i come back and read previous stuff of mine and think i am a retard myself...........
I just think that we shouldnt be so Black and White about stuff. Remember what Obi Wan said about dealing in absolutes. its the way of the Sith...(lol)
Seriously, other opinions are great even if they are from left field. I just think that we shouldnt say things in a personal way to hurt anyones feelings. Is your faith in your art so thin that someone else with a different opinion shakes it?
Closing, I for one really appreciate your posts most of the time Zerb. You have a cool sense of humor and supply the forum with valuble knowledge many times. People are free to do what they want. So you can post or not. If you stop coming here, I will miss your posts and help.
Do we always have to agree to be civil and friends? Cant we argue and then leave without a bitter taste in our mouth?
This might sound totally corny but i think that we can all learn from one another here.
JacksonMIA
Lemur-buckerologist
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
The relicing that's being done on that guitar isn't a couple of amateurs in their basement with sandpaper and a cup of coffee. You're talking about top-notch luthiers, probably making $20-30 per hour (if I was going to guess, heck we'll say $15 to be conservative), who spent hours just studying the original guitar before they even touched one of the new ones. They're rolling the edges of the fingerboard and other fine touches to make it feel like the original. They're trying to cram 30 years worth of playing into a few days.
They're not using Re-Ranch paint, they're using Schwinn bicycle paint purchased at extravagant prices because there isn't much left like his original. I've painted a copy of the black and white one. They'll put 20-30 hours into it EASILY. These guys don't work for free, either. Not to mention, some of this money still has to pay for the shop, tools, and power to keep everything running. I imagine these sold through a dealer so they'll get their cut as well as the distributer. Do I need to keep going? $10k may be a little high, but I'd bet the actual cost is much closer to that than your $2k price.
This ain't your normal summer Warmoth project.
No, he didn't spend $30k, but he spent 30 years getting it to the point it is now.
I don't know that that's too realistic. You'd have a hard time getting a neck for that price from Warmoth, let alone a high quality hand-made (non-CNC) neck for that price (not to mention the body, too).
The relicing that's being done on that guitar isn't a couple of amateurs in their basement with sandpaper and a cup of coffee. You're talking about top-notch luthiers, probably making $20-30 per hour (if I was going to guess, heck we'll say $15 to be conservative), who spent hours just studying the original guitar before they even touched one of the new ones. They're rolling the edges of the fingerboard and other fine touches to make it feel like the original. They're trying to cram 30 years worth of playing into a few days.
They're not using Re-Ranch paint, they're using Schwinn bicycle paint purchased at extravagant prices because there isn't much left like his original. I've painted a copy of the black and white one. They'll put 20-30 hours into it EASILY. These guys don't work for free, either. Not to mention, some of this money still has to pay for the shop, tools, and power to keep everything running. I imagine these sold through a dealer so they'll get their cut as well as the distributer. Do I need to keep going? $10k may be a little high, but I'd bet the actual cost is much closer to that than your $2k price.
This ain't your normal summer Warmoth project.
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
Tone, you seem to misunderstand my position. Everyone is very much entitled to their own opinions, and I´m the last person on earth that would try to take them away from them. But we´re all entitled to the exact same set of facts, and posting an opinion in the form of a fact and then riding around on it as if it actually were one is the ultimate "flip of the bird" to that principle and constructive discussion in general.
In other words, just because someone says it doesn´t make it true, just like it´s not false simply because someone else says otherwise. But simply disregarding nearly all of the (measureable, tangible and therefore not IMO overseeable, especially after being hinted on tehm by multiple others) factors involved and then presenting something as a "truth" is just completely and totally devoid of all rational thinking and logic, at least as far as the classic definitions of those terms are concerned. Kind of like the dreams that some people have after smoking crack, drinking a half gallon of whiskey and shooting heroin all at the same time.
In this particular case: I will pay anybody here who says they can make a perfect copy of EVH´s guitar (even though they´ve never seen it in person, much less held it, any yet even less played it) for under 5k double that if they actually succeed. I am not joking here, I am factually wagering my entire guitar collection. But you can be assured that your "replica" is either 100% worthy of the word and thereby it´s price (And the pick swirls and buckle rash had better be accurate as well, otherwise it´s a reliced copy and not a replica), or it will become firewood together with your reputation as a craftsman.
"Craftsman?" you say? Oh, did I forget to mention that you also have to start with one piece each of ash and maple? And do it by hand (power tools allowed, but no pin routers, cnc machines or similar)? And did I mention the 4x magnified poster of Frankie on my wall that I wil compare every pinpoint playwear to? You must use an era correct quarter, real Schwinn bicycle paint, and are not allowed to forget the dimed 500k tone knob hidden away under the Pickguard (And if you tell me you didn´talready know that was there years ago then you´re immediately disqualified from any discussion about replicas of players guitars due to your lack of attention to detail, because that´s what these are about from top to bottom. Or maybe it´s a trick? Hmmm, how many of you really know or can guess correctly? Pm me if you think you do or can )
That´s what´s happening here. What bothers me is that almost nobody is willing to admit to the fact that they have never even seen or played Frankie live, nor have most others incl. Frankenstraat. Nor are these random necks slapped on a body like ANY Warmoth will be (unless you have the capital to order 3, 4 5 of each and match correctly.). There is this asinine assumption going on that you can take any random ash body and any random maple neck, splatter paint over it, nail a quarter to the top, throw it down a flight of stairs, and have a perfect copy all the way down to the little mini chip on the lower horn.
I cannot take anybody seriously that honestly believes that. Even less when it´s posted in every EVH thread that has popped up over the last 5 years and debunked in each one.
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Tone, you seem to misunderstand my position. Everyone is very much entitled to their own opinions, and I´m the last person on earth that would try to take them away from them. But we´re all entitled to the exact same set of facts, and posting an opinion in the form of a fact and then riding around on it as if it actually were one is the ultimate "flip of the bird" to that principle and constructive discussion in general.
In other words, just because someone says it doesn´t make it true, just like it´s not false simply because someone else says otherwise. But simply disregarding nearly all of the (measureable, tangible and therefore not IMO overseeable, especially after being hinted on tehm by multiple others) factors involved and then presenting something as a "truth" is just completely and totally devoid of all rational thinking and logic, at least as far as the classic definitions of those terms are concerned. Kind of like the dreams that some people have after smoking crack, drinking a half gallon of whiskey and shooting heroin all at the same time.
In this particular case: I will pay anybody here who says they can make a perfect copy of EVH´s guitar (even though they´ve never seen it in person, much less held it, any yet even less played it) for under 5k double that if they actually succeed. I am not joking here, I am factually wagering my entire guitar collection. But you can be assured that your "replica" is either 100% worthy of the word and thereby it´s price (And the pick swirls and buckle rash had better be accurate as well, otherwise it´s a reliced copy and not a replica), or it will become firewood together with your reputation as a craftsman.
"Craftsman?" you say? Oh, did I forget to mention that you also have to start with one piece each of ash and maple? And do it by hand (power tools allowed, but no pin routers, cnc machines or similar)? And did I mention the 4x magnified poster of Frankie on my wall that I wil compare every pinpoint playwear to? You must use an era correct quarter, real Schwinn bicycle paint, and are not allowed to forget the dimed 500k tone knob hidden away under the Pickguard (And if you tell me you didn´talready know that was there years ago then you´re immediately disqualified from any discussion about replicas of players guitars due to your lack of attention to detail, because that´s what these are about from top to bottom. Or maybe it´s a trick? Hmmm, how many of you really know or can guess correctly? Pm me if you think you do or can
)That´s what´s happening here. What bothers me is that almost nobody is willing to admit to the fact that they have never even seen or played Frankie live, nor have most others incl. Frankenstraat. Nor are these random necks slapped on a body like ANY Warmoth will be (unless you have the capital to order 3, 4 5 of each and match correctly.). There is this asinine assumption going on that you can take any random ash body and any random maple neck, splatter paint over it, nail a quarter to the top, throw it down a flight of stairs, and have a perfect copy all the way down to the little mini chip on the lower horn.
I cannot take anybody seriously that honestly believes that. Even less when it´s posted in every EVH thread that has popped up over the last 5 years and debunked in each one.
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Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
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I cannot remember (or even find via a search of my own posts) any posts that were in any way personal to anyone except that those members that prefer to get personally offended instead of considering that I may be referring to a group of people. Nor have I AFAIK ever referred to any specific person or even persons as stupid or any similar comment. I HAVE however referred to their actions and statements as such, directly and without any obscure words that could mislead someone to think I´m talking about them and not about the stupid things they do.
If people cannot understand that there is a difference between talking about someone or what they have done and talking to someone, then I am most definitely not the kind of person you guys want hanging around for any extended peroid of time, because my loathing for dumb people and their actions only grows with each passing day. Meaning that ever more people will inevitably feel I´m attacking them personally as a direct result, and as much as it may hurt some members to hear this: None of you are worth that kind of effort to me. Meaning also that a clarifying post such as this one will likely not become a regular occurence, as that´s almost as much work.
Either way: Unlike any of us, Warmoth, USACG, Frankenstraat, who cares, JCMI had access to the ORIGINAL Frankie as well as EVH during all stages of this project, as well as being building guitars longer than most of us have been playing. Anybody that believes that "you" (meaning anybody in the world) can make a better REPLICA (Re All: Please look this word up in a dictionary if you still do not understand what it means) with almost no experience in comparison, and just from looking at pictures, at a much lower cost, without EVER seeing the product they´re competing with..... Well, IMO these people are, at the least, highly misguided and /or not fully congizant that there is a world outside of their own fantasies.
Part of what really "pisses me off" as some would refer to it is that people will shell out 2k for a Knockoff "replica" of a ´59LP, and another 3k for a relatively simple relic job, but when something like this comes up the whole thing is worth 500$ at the very best, and even that only because of inflation. If that´s a joke, then someone seriously needs to think of a better one, because it´s not only not funny but also the ultimate insult to the entire luthierie trade. It says almost literally "Any randomly slapped together parts guitar will be an iconic instrument that thousands of people would give their left nut for just to touch"
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I cannot remember (or even find via a search of my own posts) any posts that were in any way personal to anyone except that those members that prefer to get personally offended instead of considering that I may be referring to a group of people. Nor have I AFAIK ever referred to any specific person or even persons as stupid or any similar comment. I HAVE however referred to their actions and statements as such, directly and without any obscure words that could mislead someone to think I´m talking about them and not about the stupid things they do.
If people cannot understand that there is a difference between talking about someone or what they have done and talking to someone, then I am most definitely not the kind of person you guys want hanging around for any extended peroid of time, because my loathing for dumb people and their actions only grows with each passing day. Meaning that ever more people will inevitably feel I´m attacking them personally as a direct result, and as much as it may hurt some members to hear this: None of you are worth that kind of effort to me. Meaning also that a clarifying post such as this one will likely not become a regular occurence, as that´s almost as much work.
Either way: Unlike any of us, Warmoth, USACG, Frankenstraat, who cares, JCMI had access to the ORIGINAL Frankie as well as EVH during all stages of this project, as well as being building guitars longer than most of us have been playing. Anybody that believes that "you" (meaning anybody in the world) can make a better REPLICA (Re All: Please look this word up in a dictionary if you still do not understand what it means) with almost no experience in comparison, and just from looking at pictures, at a much lower cost, without EVER seeing the product they´re competing with..... Well, IMO these people are, at the least, highly misguided and /or not fully congizant that there is a world outside of their own fantasies.
Part of what really "pisses me off" as some would refer to it is that people will shell out 2k for a Knockoff "replica" of a ´59LP, and another 3k for a relatively simple relic job, but when something like this comes up the whole thing is worth 500$ at the very best, and even that only because of inflation. If that´s a joke, then someone seriously needs to think of a better one, because it´s not only not funny but also the ultimate insult to the entire luthierie trade. It says almost literally "Any randomly slapped together parts guitar will be an iconic instrument that thousands of people would give their left nut for just to touch"
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Pink Unicorn Horsey
Megä Pöny Rÿdr
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH
There's something sorta-kinda critical that people have overlooked thus far in this thread: EVH's construction of the Frankenstrat was the result of (1) available parts, (2) experimentation, (3) personal lutherie skill, (4) various outside resources (such as Seymour Duncan's re-windings), and most importantly (5) personal taste/feel.
The Frankenstrat clearly worked for EVH, but it's not going to be just that good for everyone. It's got history, it's got mystique, it's got mojo...but does it have your feel? Jimmy Page shaved the necks of his Les Pauls to fit his feel. David Gilmour truncated his tremolo bar to suit his needs; SRV reversed his. Every great guitarist has a story behind their Number One, a story about what made it their Number One.
What are you doing to make your guitar truly yours??? I hope you're not shelling out $30k to do it. (Kudos, of course, to the marketing gurus who sold the Blackies and most likely will sell the Frankenstrats for big bucks in record time.)
- Keith
There's something sorta-kinda critical that people have overlooked thus far in this thread: EVH's construction of the Frankenstrat was the result of (1) available parts, (2) experimentation, (3) personal lutherie skill, (4) various outside resources (such as Seymour Duncan's re-windings), and most importantly (5) personal taste/feel.
The Frankenstrat clearly worked for EVH, but it's not going to be just that good for everyone. It's got history, it's got mystique, it's got mojo...but does it have your feel? Jimmy Page shaved the necks of his Les Pauls to fit his feel. David Gilmour truncated his tremolo bar to suit his needs; SRV reversed his. Every great guitarist has a story behind their Number One, a story about what made it their Number One.
What are you doing to make your guitar truly yours??? I hope you're not shelling out $30k to do it. (Kudos, of course, to the marketing gurus who sold the Blackies and most likely will sell the Frankenstrats for big bucks in record time.)
- Keith
