new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

In this particular case: I will pay anybody here who says they can make a perfect copy of EVH´s guitar (even though they´ve never seen it in person, much less held it, any yet even less played it) for under 5k double that if they actually succeed. I am not joking here, I am factually wagering my entire guitar collection.
Careful, Zerb. Ed Roman might be lurking around on here, and that crazy loon might just be able to figure out a way to do it. :laugh2:
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

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I cannot remember (or even find via a search of my own posts) any posts that were in any way personal to anyone except that those members that prefer to get personally offended instead of considering that I may be referring to a group of people. Nor have I AFAIK ever referred to any specific person or even persons as stupid or any similar comment. I HAVE however referred to their actions and statements as such, directly and without any obscure words that could mislead someone to think I´m talking about them and not about the stupid things they do.

If people cannot understand that there is a difference between talking about someone or what they have done and talking to someone, then I am most definitely not the kind of person you guys want hanging around for any extended peroid of time, because my loathing for dumb people and their actions only grows with each passing day. Meaning that ever more people will inevitably feel I´m attacking them personally as a direct result, and as much as it may hurt some members to hear this: None of you are worth that kind of effort to me. Meaning also that a clarifying post such as this one will likely not become a regular occurence, as that´s almost as much work.

Either way: Unlike any of us, Warmoth, USACG, Frankenstraat, who cares, JCMI had access to the ORIGINAL Frankie as well as EVH during all stages of this project, as well as being building guitars longer than most of us have been playing. Anybody that believes that "you" (meaning anybody in the world) can make a better REPLICA (Re All: Please look this word up in a dictionary if you still do not understand what it means) with almost no experience in comparison, and just from looking at pictures, at a much lower cost, without EVER seeing the product they´re competing with..... Well, IMO these people are, at the least, highly misguided and /or not fully congizant that there is a world outside of their own fantasies.

Part of what really "pisses me off" as some would refer to it is that people will shell out 2k for a Knockoff "replica" of a ´59LP, and another 3k for a relatively simple relic job, but when something like this comes up the whole thing is worth 500$ at the very best, and even that only because of inflation. If that´s a joke, then someone seriously needs to think of a better one, because it´s not only not funny but also the ultimate insult to the entire luthierie trade. It says almost literally "Any randomly slapped together parts guitar will be an iconic instrument that thousands of people would give their left nut for just to touch"

I sense you are adamant about your assertions. Am I getting warm? ;)
 
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Careful, Zerb. Ed Roman might be lurking around on here, and that crazy loon might just be able to figure out a way to do it. :laugh2:

Was a guy named Rols over at the VHLinks site who used to do replicas. He had an incredible eye for detail. I don't think he had access to eddie's axes, but man his replica's were spot on.

Actually saw one in person (the 5150). Can't imagine the patience needed to do one that accurately. Unreal.

With the advent of VHsites, replica instructionals, and high quality aftermarket parts (warmoth etc), I believe its POSSIBLE for a non pro to do a spot on replica without actually having seen it in person.

This is pre-supposing that the person has a really strong grasp of guitar assembly. ie-the ability to get 1/16" or less at the 12th and .003"-.001 relief at the 9th consistently, fret-dressing etc. And an ASTOUNDING amount of patience.

But jeezuz, who has that kind of time for an axe you will rarely if ever play out with?

If eddie had done this from 79-84, and made them affordable for the layman, I can't imagine how much money he would have made.
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

In this particular case: I will pay anybody here who says they can make a perfect copy of EVH´s guitar (even though they´ve never seen it in person, much less held it, any yet even less played it) for under 5k double that if they actually succeed. I am not joking here, I am factually wagering my entire guitar collection. But you can be assured that your "replica" is either 100% worthy of the word and thereby it´s price (And the pick swirls and buckle rash had better be accurate as well, otherwise it´s a reliced copy and not a replica), or it will become firewood together with your reputation as a craftsman.

I know a guy, who knows a guy (well I know the guy who the guy knows too, but..) who could just get a mere 5K out of you..but of course thats not allowed..look at the pic I posted on pg. 3 :27:
 
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I think the example of the replica given from the "Frankenstraat" site is outstanding, but it doesn't hang with what the Custom Shop is doing. The pickup "relicing" he did was admirable, but still off. It's still a long ways off from the photos in the latest GW. My lord, it's insane. The rust, the grime on the frets, the burns, the wear.....it's incredible. Friggin' incredible.



The relic-ing of the pickups, the rust on the bridge/saddles, the grime on the frets/neck, it's all INSANE.

I'm sure they WILL turn a fat profit on these, and that doesn't surprise me. That's usually the way things go when you're only making 300 of something that few have the ability to reproduce.

People need to see the magazine before comparing it to anything else. The neck alone is incredible, and waaay more worn, crafted, and "reliced" than the examples given in this thread.
 
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I hate to re-post what I just typed in the "Pickups" thread, but:

According to Fender's latest press release, the bridge pickup in the Frankenstein Replica guitar is ineed a Seymour Duncan Custom Shop EVH pickup.

Interestingly enough, the neck they chose to copy (which is actually the original Franky neck) has a 12" radius that graduates to 16", and is fitted with Dunlop 6100s.

This is interesting to me, only because the Wolfgang's frets (Dunlop 6105s) are higher than the Axis frets, but the 6100s are higher yet. That's some trivia, I suppose.
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

I hate to re-post what I just typed in the "Pickups" thread, but:

According to Fender's latest press release, the bridge pickup in the Frankenstein Replica guitar is ineed a Seymour Duncan Custom Shop EVH pickup.

Interestingly enough, the neck they chose to copy (which is actually the original Franky neck) has a 12" radius that graduates to 16", and is fitted with Dunlop 6100s.

This is interesting to me, only because the Wolfgang's frets (Dunlop 6105s) are higher than the Axis frets, but the 6100s are higher yet. That's some trivia, I suppose.

like a lot of players ED's tastes have changed a lot over the years... there was a time too when he prefered really wide nut widths for his neck shapes... and now in the past 15 years the Axis and Wolfgangs he wanted super thin nut widths..
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

I hate to re-post what I just typed in the "Pickups" thread, but:

According to Fender's latest press release, the bridge pickup in the Frankenstein Replica guitar is ineed a Seymour Duncan Custom Shop EVH pickup.

Have link for that press release? Everything I have read says it was made by the custom shop, but does not says its the EVH model
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

Now, does this EVH model mean Edward Van Halen or Evenly Voiced Harmonics? Are they the same pickups? Why is it so confusing?
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

Now, does this EVH model mean Edward Van Halen or Evenly Voiced Harmonics? Are they the same pickups? Why is it so confusing?

Every source I have seen says the electronics are done by the Duncan custom shop. There is no direct reference to a specific model of pickup. It certainly could be the Custom shop EVH model but I haven't seen that stated anywhere.
 
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and the parts themselves didnt ammount to 1% of that price

+1. Everybody's arguing this like, "You can't make a top-notch replica of a guitar for less than a bazillion dollars."

The original guitar was something of a P.O.S. Ed bought the neck for like $100, and the body out of a stack of seconds for like $80. Where are you guys getting this "handcrafted" neck and body crap?

Bottom line, $30k is asinine.

Edit* Let me explain that last line.... The original guitar was built from the cheapest crap Ed could find or had laying around. How much sense does a $30,000 replica make?
 
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Every source I have seen says the electronics are done by the Duncan custom shop. There is no direct reference to a specific model of pickup. It certainly could be the Custom shop EVH model but I haven't seen that stated anywhere.

From Harmony Central:
The maple fingerboard has a 12" to 16" compound radius, with 21 Dunlop® 6100 jumbo frets. The guitar features a Seymour Duncan® Custom Shop EVH® humbucking pickup, with a single master volume knob (that says "Tone") mounted on a single-ply partial black pickguard, identical to the original.

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Fender/PR/EVH.html

So until NAMM is over and the SD team get back, we probably can just speculate that the EVH model meant Eddie Van Halen all along, although SD wasn't allowed to state that.
 
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+1. Everybody's arguing this like, "You can't make a top-notch replica of a guitar for less than a bazillion dollars."

The original guitar was something of a P.O.S. Ed bought the neck for like $100, and the body out of a stack of seconds for like $80. Where are you guys getting this "handcrafted" neck and body crap?

Bottom line, $30k is asinine.

Edit* Let me explain that last line.... The original guitar was built from the cheapest crap Ed could find or had laying around. How much sense does a $30,000 replica make?

I actually read that the neck and body were around $50 each (maybe even less) and that he used crzy glue to attach the frets to the original neck... I wouldn't call it boutique...

He also changed the original neck a few times... once because it was broken the other times- maybe he wasn't happy with it.

The whole point of his axe was making something cheap that left all of the expensive brands behinds. $30k is the best way to miss the point here.
Asking 30,000$ for a guitar that repres
 
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Now, does this EVH model mean Edward Van Halen or Evenly Voiced Harmonics? Are they the same pickups? Why is it so confusing?

I believe EVH stands for Evenly Voiced Harmonics, but it's certainly no coincidence about the pickup's initials being the same as Eddie's. My understanding is that the EVH pickup's intent is to help capture Eddie's tone.

- Keith
 
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First off, the EVH pickup that we know of from the Custom Shop is now known as the '78 Model. So for all intents and purposes, there is no EVH model, other than what Seymour did for this guitar.

Secondly, back when Eddie got those parts and built the guitar, his name wasn't worth a flip and neither was anything else he did. These days, anything associated with him can fetch high dollar. If a perfect replica of this guitar was done 20-25 years ago, it probably wouldn't fetch near as much. It's called clout, and he carries a boatload of it.

Third, read Zerb's posts again if you don't get it.
 
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so the old EVH is the 78, and the new EVH, which is mentioned in the above Harmony Central article, is the *new* EVH, which is under the Eddie Van Halen brand name?
So, we have the CC, the 78, the old EVH, the new EVH and all are supposed to give you the kind of tone that Eddie favored in the early years, but not anymore...
Yeah...it makes perfect sense :\
 
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From Harmony Central:
The maple fingerboard has a 12" to 16" compound radius, with 21 Dunlop® 6100 jumbo frets. The guitar features a Seymour Duncan® Custom Shop EVH® humbucking pickup, with a single master volume knob (that says "Tone") mounted on a single-ply partial black pickguard, identical to the original.

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Fender/PR/EVH.html

So until NAMM is over and the SD team get back, we probably can just speculate that the EVH model meant Eddie Van Halen all along, although SD wasn't allowed to state that.

The EVH name also has a trademark symbol which likely means it is not the Duncan Custom Shop model. Now that Eddie has his own brand there is no way he let that slide. Fenders press releases have other factual errors/inconsistencies so I wouldn't put too much stock in it
 
Re: new reproductions of the frankenstrat...HELL YEAH

so the old EVH is the 78, and the new EVH, which is mentioned in the above Harmony Central article, is the *new* EVH, which is under the Eddie Van Halen brand name?
So, we have the CC, the 78, the old EVH, the new EVH and all are supposed to give you the kind of tone that Eddie favored in the early years, but not anymore...
Yeah...it makes perfect sense :\

It just means that nth degree accuracy is not needed. What you need is a plexi.
 
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+1. Everybody's arguing this like, "You can't make a top-notch replica of a guitar for less than a bazillion dollars."

The original guitar was something of a P.O.S. Ed bought the neck for like $100, and the body out of a stack of seconds for like $80. Where are you guys getting this "handcrafted" neck and body crap?

Bottom line, $30k is asinine.

Edit* Let me explain that last line.... The original guitar was built from the cheapest crap Ed could find or had laying around. How much sense does a $30,000 replica make?


The original neck was hand made by Linn Ellsworth, i think that was his name... may of spelt it wrong... The body was a Boogie Body factory second...

The guitar was can finnished at home by Ed of course, and put together by ED with some help along the way by techs i'm sure....

That is pretty darn close to hand made if you ask me... Just because it looks like a hunk of cr*p does not mean the guitar is... i'm sure the real one had some magic to it that production guitars did not offer...
 
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