NEW Schecter guitars to come w/EMGs

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frigginalex said:
You've got a lot of balls to say that around here with all the prominent, well-noted metalheads that occupy this forum.

I hope, for your sake, that you take that back.

My definition of "tone" is the two basic and core elements of a guitar and an amp working together without one over-powering the other. It's the combination of the two elements in very equal portions and the sound it creates.

Listen to Clapton in the BluesBreakers; you can hear both elements prominently of the 59' Les Paul and the Marshall amp combination.

To me that's what defines tone; both elements getting their digs in and working in tandem where both are just about equal to acheive a certain sound.

High-Gain, by my definition, isn't tone. It's the amp being overpowering and the other contributions not being nearly as noticable. Once you get past a certain point the difference in guitars and pickups is significantly less.

I wholly realize that other folks don't hold this as the same definition as I do but I stick to it. Some metal guys have a great and very distinctive sound...Zakk Wyle, Angus Young....you can pick them out at 100 yards with one eye shut. But to me it isn't "tone".

I don't expect this to be a popular thing but it's something I believe. I don't think any less of players but it's what I generally and personally classify "tone" as being.

If you don't agree with me then that's fine, I know it'll rub alot of people the wrong way. But I've given my reason as to what I believe "tone" to be comprised of and I take that for no one but myself; I don't especially care if anyone else agrees with me.
 
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Whoa... Angus isnt tone? I cant think of a better example of a sound produced purely from just a guitar and an amp... The interaction of hands,wood,pickups and amp... to use your definition... Which would mean when SRV switches on a Fuzz Face to do voodoo chile he loses tone... yes you can still hear his hands and pickups.. .but not as much as when the pedal is off...

as far as the "Metal guys don't know crap about tone." comment goes...

I dont think it deserves a reply... but I will say... Like I said earlier its all a matter of taste... as far as Iam concerned one isnt better than the other... I'm sure not gonna tell Zakk or Angus they dont know anything about tone...
 
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hell, 'tone' as it seems to be defined so far seems to be recorded sound - would 'the brown sound' still have been 'the brown sound' if the microphone had have been a centimeter closer or further away?

and as for EMGs.. i love the 85 SA and 60, and while the 81 is good for an aggresive hi-gain tone, it's ultimately limited in it's functionality. the other 3 pickups are very expressive and are very versatile indeed.

Skarekrough said:
You are correct...I didn't try the 18 volt mod. But why should I have to mod anything if they have tone already?

whats wrong with stock pickups then? i mean, its 2 wires and another battery. its a cycle of improving your tone. i have owned all of the EMGs mentioned so far, and found them all useful for their chosen ballpark.

and the quote about making a $99 guitar sound like a $450 guitar? that was me, baby :D
 
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To say the least some statements over here are a.................little bit strange if not untrue.....................
David Gilmour uses EMG'S and he's getting AWESOME tone. Mark knopfler uses EMG'S in his pensa suhr guitar during the ON THE NIGHT tour and he also gets AMAZING tone.
According to some of you, emg's sound the same in every guitar and are sterile. Just listen to these two guitarists and then tell me if they sound the same and are sterile............
 
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Skarekrough said:
I don't expect this to be a popular thing but it's something I believe. I don't think any less of players but it's what I generally and personally classify "tone" as being.

If you don't agree with me then that's fine, I know it'll rub alot of people the wrong way. But I've given my reason as to what I believe "tone" to be comprised of and I take that for no one but myself; I don't especially care if anyone else agrees with me.

For me, it's not an issue of whether or not I agree with you. It's the fact that you said that metal guys don't know tone.

I'm a metal guy and I know that I've worked hard on my tone and my style and I've gotten lots of compliments on it from people who aren't even remotely interested in my style of music. So for you to come around and say that metal guys don't know tone is insulting to me.

I could say more, I'm not going to start or get involved in a flame war. I just wanted to put my view out there.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
Whoa... Angus isnt tone? I cant think of a better example of a sound produced purely from just a guitar and an amp... The interaction of hands,wood,pickups and amp... to use your definition...

Actually, you were right on the money. I thought about it for a bit and Angus does fall into that definition I stated. I mis-spoke.

Which would mean when SRV switches on a Fuzz Face to do voodoo chile he loses tone... yes you can still hear his hands and pickups.. .but not as much as when the pedal is off...

That would be the general idea. Obviously I'm sheepish to say SRV didn't have "tone" at any point in his career; I don't consider heresy a hobby really but I guess I kinda do...

as far as the "Metal guys don't know crap about tone." comment goes...

Yeah, alright....I was out of line with that. I have my broad and narrow definition of what is "tone" and while typical metal guitar soudns don't fall into that definition I put for for myself I'm remiss to stand by the idea that they (as a collective...you guys do get together for lunch still, right?) can't know what "tone" is is indeed kinda silly. Sorry about that one.

I dont think it deserves a reply... but I will say... Like I said earlier its all a matter of taste... as far as Iam concerned one isnt better than the other... I'm sure not gonna tell Zakk or Angus they dont know anything about tone...

And I'm certain if they'd been informed that I'd said it they'd weep in horror knowing that an unemployed dude on the outskirts of Boston thinks whatever about them.....

*that was sarcasm*
 
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in general i tend to agree with the fact that emgs are sterile. i used 81's for years and they did one thing well. the 85 and especially 60 are much more versitle, emg actually makes tele pups too.
there is nothing wrong with emgs, but i prefer the sound of passive pups
 
EMGs in a Schecter....EWWWWwwww

EMGs in a Schecter....EWWWWwwww

Sheesh, I can't think of a worse pick-up for Schecter guitars :laugh2:

I impulsively bought a C-1 Artist LE from Musician's Fraud and it was already so thin and sterile with a 59n/JB combo (been thinking about putting a Custom in the bridge to warm it up) so all I can see that the EMGs will do for Schecter axes is make them screech like a bastard! :dance:
 
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Xeromus said:
Try playing some tasty blues or jazz on them, yuck.


I love passive pickups. most of my guitars have passive, alnico II loaded pickups.

That being said, the EMG Dave Gilmour set in my strat excels at blues, jazz, and fusion styles, when played clean, gritty, or completely overdriven.
 
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Skarekrough i find your definition of tone to be pretty wierd. To me tone is basically the sum of the characteristics and features of the sound that comes out from a guitarist after its been through the gear n whatever. Whether or not something over powers something to me does not change whether or not it is tone. I just think watever the tone is thats coming out of it, its bad or good or great or like my mum's voice. Either way watever it is it is some kinda tone. Neways im drunk wont say any more, ill read what i wrote here tomorrow.

Good Night
 
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