NEW Switch to use 2 heads on 1 cab. Cool!

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I was just talking to Chi3f and he turned me onto a new pedal by Radial that solves the age old problem of wanting to use two heads on one cab.
This pedal would make the idle head see a speaker load, while the live head is routed to the cab, and visa versa. Finally!

http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-headbone-vt.htm

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Re: NEW Switch to use 2 heads on 1 cab. Cool!

Gearjoneser said:
I was just talking to Chi3f and he turned me onto a new pedal by Radial that solves the age old problem of wanting to use two heads on one cab.
This pedal would make the idle head see a speaker load, while the live head is routed to the cab, and visa versa. Finally!

http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-headbone-vt.htm

headbone-3d-setup-240w.jpg
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That is awesome.... How much do those pedals run?
 
Re: NEW Switch to use 2 heads on 1 cab. Cool!

I haven't checked retailers for prices, since I don't personally need one right now, but man I wish I'd had that when I used a Superbass and Blues Pearl Bluesmaster head on top of a Marshall cab. I had to use a stereo cab, so I couldn't get the heads to go to all 4 speakers at once. I'm guessing these units will be somewhere around $200.
It's worth it, if you own a couple heads and want to use them like channels.
 
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acess electronics also make some stuff like this

i believe john petrucci uses their stuff exclusivley

and that boys got ALOT of ampheads/pre's and poweramps!!!
 
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aleclee said:
$229
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That's not bad at all, for a piece of equipment that's tough, dependable, and works properly. I say this since you are dealing with a situation in which if not handled correctly could cause some major repair bills, and failure on stage.
Not bad at all ... :)
 
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Quick question, guys:

I was wondering how it would be possilbe to run two (or more) full stacks, but still keep the same tone as on your main amp?
I want to have one main head, but is it possible to run other heads and still get the same tone I get from the one head?
E.G. three full stacks; same heads; same cabs, but only one rig/pedal board to run them all through. Is this possible?
 
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If you are running a pedal board in front of the amps, then in thoery yes ... Set all amps the same, and run out of the board into an active 3way buffer/splitter and route each output to the input of each amp.
If you are talking about using one preamp to push all three amps, then again yes if they have power amp inputs, or even return for FX as that disconnects the preamp from them when plugged into. Essentially in that case you are simply using the other two amps as g power amps with their own cabinets.
As long as all three are the same brand, model, version, etc. And the cabinets and speakers are identical then yes, unless you are asking something else here altogether.
 
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Kent S. said:
If you are running a pedal board in front of the amps, then in thoery yes ... Set all amps the same, and run out of the board into an active 3way buffer/splitter and route each output to the input of each amp.
If you are talking about using one preamp to push all three amps, then again yes if they have power amp inputs, or even return for FX as that disconnects the preamp from them when plugged into. Essentially in that case you are simply using the other two amps as g power amps with their own cabinets.
As long as all three are the same brand, model, version, etc. And the cabinets and speakers are identical then yes, unless you are asking something else here altogether.
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So all I need is a splitter box, eh? Coolness. Thanks, man. :)
 
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Like Kent said, if you use one head's preamp out or FX send, you can use that to run a pre signal to other amp's FX return, making them slave amps.
When you see wall of vintage Marshalls, they commonly use one of the 4 inputs on the main amp, to feed out to the inputs of other Marshalls. If it's modern amps, they use the FX send on the main amp to feed the FX returns of slave amps. This makes the primary amp's preamp signal feed it's own power section, as well as other power sections of other amps. A few days ago, I discovered the joy of using a modeling amp's preamp out, to feed the FX return of tube amps. What I ended up with was a modeling amp's pre and power, and also that same signal feeding a tube power section.
That, IMO, is the future of amp modeling.
 
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jimmy said:
So all I need is a splitter box, eh? Coolness. Thanks, man. :)
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If you are running into the front end of each amp (it's preamp), there is something to be said for setting the eq on all three amps differently ... Kinda like layering in a studio with different tones, if they are different brand/model amps/cabs ... even more versatility. Brain may used to run four AC-30s (yeah, i know they don't qualify as a stack ... LOL! :laugh2: ), and one was feed a modulated delayed sound (the effect/delay voice of a chorus), while one was direct, and the other to were feed from pitch shifters for his harmony stuff (he also had a couple echo-plexes thorwn in there as well in various places and routings) ... Lots of versatility.
 
Re: NEW Switch to use 2 heads on 1 cab. Cool!

Gearjoneser said:
I was just talking to Chi3f and he turned me onto a new pedal by Radial that solves the age old problem of wanting to use two heads on one cab.
This pedal would make the idle head see a speaker load, while the live head is routed to the cab, and visa versa. Finally!

http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-headbone-vt.htm

headbone-3d-setup-240w.jpg
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way cool pedal! (it is probably easier to lug around 2 amp heads than 2 cabs)

here is a question: do cabs ever faulter?

I mean, people always say to have a backup amp at gigs, but do you need a backup cab? how often do cabs faulter from normal use?
 
Re: NEW Switch to use 2 heads on 1 cab. Cool!

Happy Dude said:
way cool pedal! (it is probably easier to lug around 2 amp heads than 2 cabs)

here is a question: do cabs ever faulter?

I mean, people always say to have a backup amp at gigs, but do you need a backup cab? how often do cabs faulter from normal use?
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You know I don't talk to to many people that actually blow speakers any more, one or two bass players, and pA guys, but not to many guitar players though. So generally I say that the need to back them up is not there unless you can *afford it*. For guys that like using lower wattage speakers for breakup ... I don't know what to say, I've always liked overated speakers power wise ... there is a benefit that you can have doing it that way. If you have a 4X12 stereo cab, and you have a stereo/mono switch on it, and you run in mono live, then if you lost a speaker in one pair you could always reset your impedance at the amp and run thru the fully functioning stereo side (with switch changed to stereo of course) to finish out the gig. plus your amp is going to really be for your monitoring needs and maybe sending some the drummers way, the house system will take care of the front. Just an idea ...footswitchable ... no, but a mid gig solution nonetheless. Generally, I haven't heard of many people running into cab failure problems though, seems speakers have gotten a lot better or the years (decades).
 
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Its funny - in my early days of being a member in this forum, many months ago, someone asked about an amp switching box. They had a link to one that was around $300 or $400. I said "yow" . . . for a switch, a few jacks, and a couple resistors! What a rip-off.

So I designed one . . .


. . . . $229 is cheap. :laugh2:
 
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