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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
Now I'm all kinds o' confusified.
Now I'm all kinds o' confusified.
Newest Vox Valvetronix?
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JeffB
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
Well I wouldn't worry about it. The guy just quoted you the incorrect price. You just need a simple 2 button switch. You can buy the vox one for the prices Erik quoted, or a something generic and cheaper.
The expensive multi button tap dance ones are for the VT60/120 series...one is plastic, and people hated it, so they brought out a heavy duty one similar to the construction of the Tonelab SE.
KGMESSIER said:
Well I wouldn't worry about it. The guy just quoted you the incorrect price. You just need a simple 2 button switch. You can buy the vox one for the prices Erik quoted, or a something generic and cheaper.
The expensive multi button tap dance ones are for the VT60/120 series...one is plastic, and people hated it, so they brought out a heavy duty one similar to the construction of the Tonelab SE.
Mr. B
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
The AD100VT is NEWER, but it is not the same line of amps as the AD60VTX or the AD120VTX. Both the latter are professional sounding amps with much more tweakable parameters and better components. I'm not saying the AD100 is not good, I have the AD50VT and its very good, but it is nowhere near the sound quality of my AD60VTX. Its the biggest of their lower end amps. I think Vox did themselves a disservice when they used the same model codes for these. Now most people don't understand that there is a difference in the higher end models. For the money though, the lower end models are very versatile and sound great.
The AD100VT is NEWER, but it is not the same line of amps as the AD60VTX or the AD120VTX. Both the latter are professional sounding amps with much more tweakable parameters and better components. I'm not saying the AD100 is not good, I have the AD50VT and its very good, but it is nowhere near the sound quality of my AD60VTX. Its the biggest of their lower end amps. I think Vox did themselves a disservice when they used the same model codes for these. Now most people don't understand that there is a difference in the higher end models. For the money though, the lower end models are very versatile and sound great.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
Are the same models better in the AD60/AD120 than in the AD50/AD100? My understanding is that the modeling bit rate is higher in the 50/500 series.
- Keith
Are the same models better in the AD60/AD120 than in the AD50/AD100? My understanding is that the modeling bit rate is higher in the 50/500 series.
- Keith
ErikH
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
The ones in the 15/30/50/100 are the same as those same models in the 60/120, just that the 60/120 have more models overall, have the addition of the stompbox models, speaker cabs, the tuner, and more storable presets. You can also tweak more with the 60/120 series.
The ones in the 15/30/50/100 are the same as those same models in the 60/120, just that the 60/120 have more models overall, have the addition of the stompbox models, speaker cabs, the tuner, and more storable presets. You can also tweak more with the 60/120 series.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
But are the tones comparable, or does the 15/30/50/100 have the edge because of the sampling rate?
ErikH said:
But are the tones comparable, or does the 15/30/50/100 have the edge because of the sampling rate?
ErikH
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
There's a slight differences due to the sampling rate but the additional tweakability in the 60/120 makes up for it. The speaker has A LOT to do with it too. The speaker in the AD30 doesn't sound so great, to my ears anyway, but the AD50 sounds wonderful with that 12" Celestion. I played the same JCM800 factory preset model in the AD50 against the 60 and couldn't tell a difference, other than what affects they packaged it with in the preset. The tone was the same to me.KGMESSIER said:
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
I'm playing the head version into my own cab, so the speaker difference in the combos doesn't have an impact for me.
I'm playing the head version into my own cab, so the speaker difference in the combos doesn't have an impact for me.
JeffB
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
The higher quality of the cab/speakers in the 60/120 is really whats contributing to the tonal improvement over the 15/30/50 if you ask me.
The big thing with the 60/120 as mentioned is a few additional amp models, the addition of a presence control (which I def prefer), all the stompbox models, the ability to save numerous patches, the ability to have many effects separate and useable at the same time, the tuner,..the list goes on.
You'd be hard pressed I think to tell the difference in a 60 and a 50 if they were both running a dry patch using the same outboard speaker cab.
The higher quality of the cab/speakers in the 60/120 is really whats contributing to the tonal improvement over the 15/30/50 if you ask me.
The big thing with the 60/120 as mentioned is a few additional amp models, the addition of a presence control (which I def prefer), all the stompbox models, the ability to save numerous patches, the ability to have many effects separate and useable at the same time, the tuner,..the list goes on.
You'd be hard pressed I think to tell the difference in a 60 and a 50 if they were both running a dry patch using the same outboard speaker cab.
JeffB
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
I'm aware of the price difference..whether the extra features the 60/120 have is woth the $ difference to an individual is another matter. I personally have no need for any of the Extra models the 60/120 have (though I love the bluesbreaker). The rest is just more versatility/options.
My point is, as I said, tone-wise, apples to apples if you plugged the 50 into a marshall 4x12 and the 60 into the same marshall 4x12 and spun the dial to UK80s, most would be hard pressed to tell a difference.
Mr. B said:
I'm aware of the price difference..whether the extra features the 60/120 have is woth the $ difference to an individual is another matter. I personally have no need for any of the Extra models the 60/120 have (though I love the bluesbreaker). The rest is just more versatility/options.
My point is, as I said, tone-wise, apples to apples if you plugged the 50 into a marshall 4x12 and the 60 into the same marshall 4x12 and spun the dial to UK80s, most would be hard pressed to tell a difference.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
Has anyone done a true apples-to-apples comparison of the 60/120 and the 50/100?
Has anyone done a true apples-to-apples comparison of the 60/120 and the 50/100?
ErikH
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
The closest I got to a true apples to apples comparison was the same factory preset of one of the models, the 800 IIRC, on the 60-watt combo and the 50-watt combo, same guitar (my own). Like I said, the effects on the preset and speaker were the only difference that I could tell.
What you're getting more of in the 60/120 is the additional features that have been outlined already. They share the same valve reactor technology power amp, same models (at least by what's available in the 15/30/50/100).
The closest I got to a true apples to apples comparison was the same factory preset of one of the models, the 800 IIRC, on the 60-watt combo and the 50-watt combo, same guitar (my own). Like I said, the effects on the preset and speaker were the only difference that I could tell.
What you're getting more of in the 60/120 is the additional features that have been outlined already. They share the same valve reactor technology power amp, same models (at least by what's available in the 15/30/50/100).
fretburner
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
i've been thinking hard on weighting for a cheapo used tube amp or buying a brand new AD50VT.
i've been thinking hard on weighting for a cheapo used tube amp or buying a brand new AD50VT.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
How would you be using the amp (i.e., in what settings, at what levels, etc.)?
fretburner said:
How would you be using the amp (i.e., in what settings, at what levels, etc.)?
fretburner
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
i'm thinking of a portable amp which has enough power for a small gig (maybe up to 100 people).
im gonna be using my pedals for my distortion, so matters to me most is that it's got a good clean sound.
P.S. though i love the fender twin cleans, i never liked it's distorted sound when i was using the same pedals. so hopefully, this won't happen with the AD50VT. but then again, i'm gonna be buying another EQ pedal, so i guess that can compensate for that?
KGMESSIER said:
i'm thinking of a portable amp which has enough power for a small gig (maybe up to 100 people).
im gonna be using my pedals for my distortion, so matters to me most is that it's got a good clean sound.
P.S. though i love the fender twin cleans, i never liked it's distorted sound when i was using the same pedals. so hopefully, this won't happen with the AD50VT. but then again, i'm gonna be buying another EQ pedal, so i guess that can compensate for that?
ErikH
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
With the AD50, you won't need your pedals. THe cleans are good. There's the Boutique CL model and the Blackface 2x12 (which is the Twin). The Tweed 4x10 is the Bassman model and is beautiful clean, same with the Vox AC15. I used to use a Booster out front but lately I'm not using anything, just the models on the amp. All I have out front is the dual footswitch. I get plenty of gain from the other models, UK 80's, US High Gain.
With the AD50, you won't need your pedals. THe cleans are good. There's the Boutique CL model and the Blackface 2x12 (which is the Twin). The Tweed 4x10 is the Bassman model and is beautiful clean, same with the Vox AC15. I used to use a Booster out front but lately I'm not using anything, just the models on the amp. All I have out front is the dual footswitch. I get plenty of gain from the other models, UK 80's, US High Gain.
fretburner
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
UK 80's = JCM800? and US High Gain = Mesa Dual Rectifier?
I guess i will have to A/B those mods against my beloved Shredmaster
I was going to check out the Behringer LX112 (kinda like a flextone with Jensens) because the 1st time I tried it - with a crappy guitar - it sounded pretty good on many amp models (noteably: the US high gain). It's on sale right now here, but I'm restraining myself because the local Vox distributor has already announced the shipment of the new Valvetronix amps (the Cooltron pedals came in first).
ErikH said:
UK 80's = JCM800? and US High Gain = Mesa Dual Rectifier?
I guess i will have to A/B those mods against my beloved Shredmaster
I was going to check out the Behringer LX112 (kinda like a flextone with Jensens) because the 1st time I tried it - with a crappy guitar - it sounded pretty good on many amp models (noteably: the US high gain). It's on sale right now here, but I'm restraining myself because the local Vox distributor has already announced the shipment of the new Valvetronix amps (the Cooltron pedals came in first).
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ErikH
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
You got the UK 80's right. The US High Gain = Soldano SLO. The Mesa is the Numetal patch. It's OK but the US High Gain kills it. There's also UK Modern which is a TSL. Both Boutique patches (the CL and OD) are supposedly Dumbles.fretburner said:UK 80's = JCM800? and US High Gain = Mesa Dual Rectifier?
I guess i will have to A/B those mods against my beloved Shredmaster
ErikH
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Re: Newest Vox Valvetronix?
My setup: And the saved presets changed almost weekly since I got it but I think I have what I really want/need down.
Preset 1: UK 80's (JCM 800)
Preset 2: Tweed 4x10 (Bassman)
Manual: US High Gain (Soldano)
I use Preset 2 for clean stuff just by rolling the guitar volume down but the gain and volume are up full. Same with Preset 1, gain and volume up full. Master Volume is at about noon or 2 o'clock depending on how loud we are.
With those 3 patches and the 2-button footswitch, I can get all the tones I need without any pedals between the guitar and amp. My rig is simpler than our bass player (new one). He has 6 pedals on the floor, more complicated that my entire rig...LOL.
My setup: And the saved presets changed almost weekly since I got it but I think I have what I really want/need down.
Preset 1: UK 80's (JCM 800)
Preset 2: Tweed 4x10 (Bassman)
Manual: US High Gain (Soldano)
I use Preset 2 for clean stuff just by rolling the guitar volume down but the gain and volume are up full. Same with Preset 1, gain and volume up full. Master Volume is at about noon or 2 o'clock depending on how loud we are.
With those 3 patches and the 2-button footswitch, I can get all the tones I need without any pedals between the guitar and amp. My rig is simpler than our bass player (new one). He has 6 pedals on the floor, more complicated that my entire rig...LOL.
