GilmourD
Burritotoneologist
Re: NGD: Gibson LP.. Nah, just kidding! A Chibson.
They don't sell a finished product, but they sell the boards and parts specifically to make a particular design and make money on that, so to me it's not very different than what Joyo does. And, seriously, how many companies out there have Tube Screamer clones. But they're not breaking the law or defrauding the customer, so I'm not going to fret over it. Heck, I own a Joyo Analog Chorus, I've built a GGG Script Phase90 kit, and I've had a GGG Violet Ram's Head BMP kit half done in a box for a while.
I think the problem with counterfeits is worse than just copying a design in the sense that most people don't know any better so they'll buy something with Gibson on the headstock thinking they got a real one but it's a vastly inferior product. So, that's bad for the customer, but also bad for the company in the sense that people buying these fakes thinking their real will go "Wow, all that money spent and Gibson is a pile of poo!". Gibson has enough QC issues of their own, they don't need somebody else sullying their reputation further. And that goes for anybody who's been counterfeited, be it Fender, Marshall, Samsung, Sony, Motorola, etc. Heck, there's counterfeit iPhones out there running some sort of ganked up ARM hardware with a heavily skinned Android distribution to look like iOS. I'm by no means an iOS fan but I don't feel that's good for customer or company.
For the record, I personally feel (and this is my opinion as a person, not reflective of SDUGF or Seymour Duncan) Henry J should take a long walk off a short plank for what he's done to Gibson, but I don't feel that breaking the law by counterfeiting his products is any better than what he's done. I'd rather put my money in the pockets of somebody honest than somebody dishonest trying to rip off somebody disingenuous.
Me, neither. I'll admit I have some fairly interesting (read: odd) world views. It's a good thing politics is a forbidden topic here. LOLI don't have a problem with not seeing eye to eye with anyone on that topic, as I'm sure you don't either, this is a discussion no an argument.
Good point about the kits, I'll admit to a double-standard here, seeing as they don't sell a product, either finished counterfeit or rebranded copy but the material to, if you want and have the ability, copy it yourself.. But I agree, still a grey zone. The person that ends-up making the copy doesn't (theoretically) profit from said copy.
Another way I could twist the issue would be to ask (since you brought up the circuit protection aspect): are counterfeits not cool due to the unlawful aspect of them (since they infringe trademarks, contrary to circuits which can't be protected) or due to the deceitful aspect of the "perfect copy"? Or are g.
They don't sell a finished product, but they sell the boards and parts specifically to make a particular design and make money on that, so to me it's not very different than what Joyo does. And, seriously, how many companies out there have Tube Screamer clones. But they're not breaking the law or defrauding the customer, so I'm not going to fret over it. Heck, I own a Joyo Analog Chorus, I've built a GGG Script Phase90 kit, and I've had a GGG Violet Ram's Head BMP kit half done in a box for a while.
I think the problem with counterfeits is worse than just copying a design in the sense that most people don't know any better so they'll buy something with Gibson on the headstock thinking they got a real one but it's a vastly inferior product. So, that's bad for the customer, but also bad for the company in the sense that people buying these fakes thinking their real will go "Wow, all that money spent and Gibson is a pile of poo!". Gibson has enough QC issues of their own, they don't need somebody else sullying their reputation further. And that goes for anybody who's been counterfeited, be it Fender, Marshall, Samsung, Sony, Motorola, etc. Heck, there's counterfeit iPhones out there running some sort of ganked up ARM hardware with a heavily skinned Android distribution to look like iOS. I'm by no means an iOS fan but I don't feel that's good for customer or company.
For the record, I personally feel (and this is my opinion as a person, not reflective of SDUGF or Seymour Duncan) Henry J should take a long walk off a short plank for what he's done to Gibson, but I don't feel that breaking the law by counterfeiting his products is any better than what he's done. I'd rather put my money in the pockets of somebody honest than somebody dishonest trying to rip off somebody disingenuous.