NGD...I have a woody..

[Phantasmagoria]

How come ur using theory? I heard the main riff and soloing using box 1. Then the backup riff was in minor. That minor arpeggio with lower neighbor trills. Did the bassist write the song?

Nah, no theory just ears as w/ everything else... If the two overlap it's pure coincidence. The only boxes I've ever been interested in have nothing to do w/ music theory :laugh2:

As for the songwriting..I've always come up with the music (by ear ) and my buddy Vik (vocals) does (almost) all the lyrics. Then the bassist & drummer add their parts. Our ex-drummer co-wrote one track which we played live a couple of times but never got around to recording.

This one (at rehearsal)::





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[Clint 55]

One of the best quotes is from Sirion. He said people who don't use theory just end up following theory at a very rudimentary level anyway.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

If stuff comes to me automatically that fits in w/ theory, all it means is that I've saved myself some unnessesary time & trouble having to bother w/ that shit. Now why would I have a problem w/ that :bigthumb:

My whole case is that one does'nt need to dweebiliy immerse oneself in theory books to get the job done..

And whether you think I got bad notes/poor phrasing or not, (can't stress enough how happy I am with my notes/phrasing myself ) I get the job done. :bigthumb:

 

[Clint 55]

It was some good metulz.

Why would it be dweeby to learn about music more effectively?

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Thanks. Metulz (done right) is always good.

"more effectively" is subjective.

The thing is I coudl'nt care less how a person chooses to go about learning (or not learning) anything. Just wish more people had the same attitude..

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Here's the original demo version of that ^^ track from '92. (had different cover art)

We first had 50 cassette tapes made. I know few dudes who still have a copy....a few years later 300 CD's......then pressed a thousand more (w/ that ^^ cover up there...Satan w/ the boobies)... those were fun times! :bigthumb:

 

[GuitarDoc]

And enough blues here for a full year..just condemsed into into one twenty minute jam....so I will just skip that suggestion of Top-L's (been there , done that)

Evan Skopp, who was a mod here at the time "liked" that one when I first posted it many moons ago ^^ .

He musta really appreciated all the bad phrasing & wrong notes :lmao:

OMG!

That's not blues!!!
But it IS as bad as anything else you've done.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Don't retreat. Just don't think he's going to change lol.

Narcissists never do.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

OMG!

That's not blues!!!
But it IS as bad as anything else you've done.

lol, back after a brief hiatus :lmao:

What happened to "not being able to take it (ie, your own BS) any longer" :laugh2:

It's "bluesy" as mentioned, but feel free to contest that as well as you usually do :bigthumb:

But since nitpicking about another guys playing seems to be a fun thing for you to do...(pretty damn narcissistic if you ask me..but then who am I to say :laugh2:

Whether you think it's bad or not does'nt concern me to be frank. As far as I'm concerned it was 20 mins well spent & a lot of fun. I enjoyed playing it & like it & that's all that matter's...simple fact not narcissisism.



Here's some slow blues (!!!!)

And that brings us full circle..back to my woody :bigthumb:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re-posting some more blues ("Oremus Diabolum" aka.. "Blues for Sathanas") for your enjoyment..

The similarity between Vik's vokillz and Muddy Water's is undeniable :bigthumb:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

And again ..somethin' bluesy... this time from our porn/goregrind side-project...

 

[Phantasmagoria]

^^ the gurgliness of the vokillz gives it that 'swamp blues' vibe....

 

[Clint 55]

Sick em GuitarDoc.

Yeah no, I actually thought the live metulz was good. So you obviously have musicality to you if you can come up with that without using fundamentals. Still, you'd probably do better on your other stuff if you'd study a bit. But ur hard headed and ain't gonna change so f it.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Think he's too busy getting sick'd himself :lmao:


Here..let's rile him up a bit more :laugh2:

I'll let you in on a little secret...it's the speed that really get's em..

I mean sure ..there's some token *****ing about ballads/blues & the other stuff I post ....but if you want real frothing at the mouth/gnashing of teeth , then that's ^^ the stuff that does the trick :bigthumb:​

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Or maybe something bluesy like this :dance:

But yeah.....speed.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

I will say though..i love mixing "epic" sounding (or even neoclassical) up w/ bluesy/70's sounding stuff ....that's my thing...

I mean "The king will come"/ "Throw down your sword" by Wishbone Ash, "Fall of The Peacemaker's" by Molly Hatchet...that's the vibe I like.. :bigthumb:

 

[Phantasmagoria]

So you obviously have musicality to you if you can come up with that without using fundamentals. Still, you'd probably do better on your other stuff if you'd study a bit. But ur hard headed and ain't gonna change so f it.

That's about right

Btw, What an interesting watch....V. Wooten was especially interesting...but so was the first dude who said essentially the same thing

In fact ..it looked like what they were saying was that a "wrong" note may sound "right" after all (unless you go by the "written in stone" dweeby books of theory, where "right" is "right" and "wrong" is "wrong" & that's that.) who would have thought that using a bit of enterprise/imagination (or in the cases of a non-jazz player, a bent note or hammer -on/pull-off) could make a "wrong" note "right" so it sounds absolutely fine in the context of what's being played?? *gasp*

*waits for the tired old "oh but they know theory, so they're allowed to hit those sweetass bum notes & their bum notes sound better than yours" arguement* :lmao:


lol, hello, if it was'nt for a developed ear they would'nt even know they'd just hit a bum note..so the question of correcting it at all would'nt even come up.


^^ One reason why almost all the players I've met who depend wholly on books/theory to be able to play as badly as they do ..sound as bad as they do :laugh2:​

 

[Phantasmagoria]

More bad notes/poor phrasing w/ my Vox Nighttrain 50.. (just the way I like it :bigthumb

Love the tone of this amp... for softer sounds especially..really earthy & sweet..

And yeah while my main trip is speed..I do like melody/memorability as well ....w/ or w/o the speed (coming up w/ a good tune on the fly....ie...yet another thing you can't get dweebily out of a book...lol. that list is really piling up)

 

[Clint 55]

What an interesting watch....V. Wooten was especially interesting...

Yeah Vic is good. Apparently his ear had a mishap though because he said the bassist accompanying him was playing in minor when he was clearly in major. He also obviously knows all his theory.

but so was the first dude who said essentially the same thing.

Lol, Herbie Hancock? One of the greatest living jazz pianists of all time?

In fact ..it looked like what they were saying was that a "wrong" note may sound "right" after all (unless you go by the "written in stone" dweeby books of theory, where "right" is "right" and "wrong" is "wrong" & that's that.) who would have thought that using a bit of enterprise/imagination (or in the cases of a non-jazz player, a bent note or hammer -on/pull-off) could make a "wrong" note "right" so it sounds absolutely fine in the context of what's being played?? *gasp*

It's called chromaticism. It's used in almost all music. It's where you use notes or chords from outside the major or minor key that you're in. It makes music sound more interesting. Music without any chromaticism tends to sound like a nursery rhyme.

*waits for the tired old "oh but they know theory, so they're allowed to hit those sweetass bum notes & their bum notes sound better than yours" arguement*

You can use theory to organize how you use out notes like playing a whole tone scale over a dominant chord, or you can just wing it and use your ear. Either is fine as long as it sounds good.

lol, hello, if it was'nt for a developed ear they would'nt even know they'd just hit a bum note..so the question of correcting it at all would'nt even come up.

Yeah but good music isn't constantly making mistakes and then searching for a good note. What makes you think you're so good if you're constantly screwing up? Lol. That's just more evidence that you can't hear. All good music, except styles incorporating noise, the players know what they're doing and don't constantly play off notes like a moron.

One reason why almost all the players I've met who depend wholly on books/theory to be able to play as badly as they do ..sound as bad as they do :laugh2:​

Maybe all the players you know who use theory. The vast majority of upper level players all know their theory. While some use little to no theory. The main example is Django Reinhardt who was illiterate and so couldn't read theory books. It's possible he picked up some theory verbally from his peers tho.

More bad notes/poor phrasing w/ my Vox Nighttrain 50.. (just the way I like it)

Sounds about right.

Sounds like you're improvising with the major scale like a dweeb, with some out chromatic parts and that's it. If you knew theory, you'd have more possibilities than only dweeby major scale.

And yeah while my main trip is speed..I do like melody/memorability as well ....w/ or w/o the speed (coming up w/ a good tune on the fly....ie...yet another thing you can't get dweebily out of a book...lol. that list is really piling up)

Why can't you come up with tunes out of a book? Everything in music can be explained, including songwriting. Music isn't a mystery and you don't have to know jack shit about what you're doing for the music to be valid. Of course the goal is creativity and expression, not only using rules. However, the more knowledge you have, the more creative you can be. Not the opposite like you like to argue.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Yeah Vic is good. Apparently his ear had a mishap though because he said the bassist accompanying him was playing in minor when he was clearly in major. He also obviously knows all his theory.

Really? so he fucks up from a theory standpoint & it's ok ..cuz he know's theory. Now where have heard that before :laugh2:

Lol, Herbie Hancock? One of the greatest living jazz pianists of all time?

You mean the guy who made the mistake and played the WRONG *gasp* chord.....yeah that's the dude.

It's called chromaticism. It's used in almost all music. It's where you use notes or chords from outside the major or minor key that you're in. It makes music sound more interesting. Music without any chromaticism tends to sound like a nursery rhyme.

I know all about chromatism... it's not rocket science....of course your brother's in theory would rather be practising the Asavari Scale, Hungarian Gypsy, Hirajoshi scale etc cuz then they can show you just how clever ("Hey look how many exotic scales I know") they are...obviously that alo meqans they can't correct their mistake ...but eh who cares when they're playing all those exoti scales and impressing their fellow dorks dorkily

You can use theory to organize how you use out notes like playing a whole tone scale over a dominant chord, or you can just wing it and use your ear. Either is fine as long as it sounds good.

In other words "you don't really need the theory" Now that's music to my ears :laugh2:

Yeah but good music isn't constantly making mistakes and then searching for a good note. What makes you think you're so good if you're constantly screwing up? Lol. That's just more evidence that you can't hear. All good music, except styles incorporating noise, the players know what they're doing and don't constantly play off notes like a moron. [/YOUTUBE]

Agreed...why I don't do it But while we're on the subject. Search youtube for unedited live footage of Petrucci, Yngwie, Vai etc..then sit back, relax and enjoy all the bum notes....no one's god, no one's infallible & everyone makes mistakes. Whether they're maestro's of theory or not.

Maybe all the players you know who use theory. The vast majority of upper level players all know their theory. While some use little to no theory. The main example is Django Reinhardt who was illiterate and so couldn't read theory books. It's possible he picked up some theory verbally from his peers tho.

Actually you'll be surprised by the number who admit they don't (and then come up with conspiratorial BS about how they are actuallly/secretly theory maestro's cuz they took piano lessons when they were 2 1/2 :lmao lol, pathetic...

I was just watching an interview w/ Andy LaRocque of King Diamond...another self-taught legend who "never learned theory" and goes by feel ..man he must really dish out a bunch of sweet bum notes and flail about looking for "correct" ones all day long (...or maybe not :lmao

Sounds about right.

Sounds like you're improvising with the major scale like a dweeb, with some out chromatic parts and that's it. If you knew theory, you'd have more possibilities than only dweeby major scale.

Lol so there's dweebiness within all the dweebiness when it comes to theory? Interesting :lmao:
I could'nt care less....if it's nice tune, who fuckin even cares about the scale? The trick is writing something that sticks ( as opposed to trying to sound clever) and despite all you guy's collective BS ..I'm actually pretty good at that ...bum notes/bad phrasing and all:bigthumb:​

zz0.ntaii7c1o6czzWhy can't you come up with tunes out of a book? Everything in music can be explained, including songwriting. Music isn't a mystery and you don't have to know jack **** about what you're doing for the music to be valid. Of course the goal is creativity and expression, not only using rules. However, the more knowledge you have, the more creative you can be. Not the opposite like you like to argue.

Or the more feel you have the more creative you can be...end of the day if your a creative musician you'll be creative anyway....obviously you need 'feel' more than theory for that...cuz you won't sound like much of anything if your bending all your notes out of pitch or have crappy vibrato no matter how many exotic scales you use...