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Considering the Ubershall was supposed to be Bogners take on the Dual Rectifier.... I've always wondered why not just get a Dual Rectifier and be done with it?

They have similar sonic curves to their character, but the Uber is a bit different, and warmer, and sounds better when it's really loud.
 
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I should devil's advocate myself and describe the really good things about this Uber.

When it's *really loud*, even with the treble, presence, and gain way up, it refuses to get harsh or noisy or uncontrollable. No noise suppressor is needed. It stays warm and pleasing and doesn't tire out your ears. That is the single biggest reason I got it.

It may be the best lead tone I've ever had.

It sounds confident at any setting. But it's so weird: the knob settings don't look like other amps' knob settings when you've dialed in the same sort of tones.

Massive low end.

When it sounds right, it's goshdarned fun to play.

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The only thing bothering me right now is a bit of buzz/crackle. I now think that is partly the way it is, and partly the new tubes breaking in and burning off film. Before it was repaired it got worse each day. But now it sounds better each day.

I'll keep testing it out for a few days before returning it and getting the stuff I traded for it back. I'm starting to think I may keep it now. I'm one fickle bee-otch, huh?
 
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Also Bogner does not recommend putting pedals in the loop, they say don't do it, just rack effects.

But gee whiz, I should be able to stick a delay pedal in there, right? That doesn't really attenuate the signal, shouldn't cause any problems, right?
 
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They have similar sonic curves to their character, but the Uber is a bit different, and warmer, and sounds better when it's really loud.

The story I was told (pinch of salt required) was that they got hold of a good Dual Rec and went about building something that they thought did that better. I also heard that Reinhold spent much time leaping around in frustration during the process. Mind you, I also heard he was leprechaun-sized, so...
 
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Thanks for the heads up BF, sounds like your Bogner may work out, kool. hehe, I tell ya Watts, that Jolly has a way with words...I'd tell ya what he tells me when he calls, but it would get :censored:...love that crazy guy.:headbang:
 
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I'm starting to think that the source of your headaches is the tubes. Most amp company owners will tell you that it's a big source of frustration for them, sorting through many to get ones that are flawless.

Other points in the thread....

Yes, the white chassis Ecastasy's are exceptional. I feel bad that your financial situation at the time dictated that you must part with yours when you did. That sucks, because I love mine, and had a black chassis one next to it for awhile. The old white chassis sounded bigger and richer. But those were Reinhold built originals from the Make'n'Music location on Lankershim Blvd. Now, they're on Vanowen, and Reinhold isn't even there. He's in his home designing new things.

I'll never say a bad thing about Peavey. They make a very good amp at an affordable price, and 5150's have become a staple for highgain players. And the Classic 50 4-10, even with mediocre speakers has a BEAUTIFUL clean tone....and not a half bad gain tone. Their only shortcoming is that they get blatty when turned up really loud....on the gain side only. Their clean channel is really beautiful sounding. And I can only imagine how much better it'd be with Jensens, not Eminence.

To me, the Ubershall is very extreme in both it's tones. The cleans are very high headroom and not extremely sweet, but big. The gain tones are massive for metal, but it's hard to get them really dialied down and organic like the Shiva and Ecstasy are capable of.

As you well know, Bogner's greatest amps were probably the old white chassis XTC's of all types, The XTC Classic, and the 2nd generation Shiva. The Metropolis amps were cool too, and it's too bad the Caveman was too costly to manufacture, because it was also one of Reinhold's great creations.
 
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@ BognerFan- Have you checked out FJA Mods? They do a bunch of Peavey mods, http://www.fjamods.com/

He isn't helping my GAS for a 5150. Luckily I'm still a bedroom player otherwise a full shabang 5150 would find it's way into my gaff!
 
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I have been kind of ignoring this thread because I'm not a Bogner owner...yet. I also have limited experience with a Bogner, but what little I have has been good.

I recall many years ago when I would talk shop with other guitarists, we would agree that the ultimate two channel amp would have a Fender clean channel like a real good black face, with reverb, and the dirty channel that was like the best Marshall. Lot's of amps have claimed this over the years, but not many, if any, have achieved this.

One day I enccountered an amp that did this, and it was a Bogner. I don't recall which one and I couldn't afford it, but really it's a remarkable accomplishment.

From my experience with tube amps, Gearjonser is right on about the tubes. The higher the gain the more critical this aspec can be. Additionally the comments about it sounding great "really loud" are pretty much par for the course with many, many, tube amps. That's just the nature of the beast.
 
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...the comments about it sounding great "really loud" are pretty much par for the course with many, many, tube amps...

Yes, but this is especially true with this Uber. You know how most high-gainers are uncontrollable and can get noisy or harsh at stadium volumes? Not this one. It calmly goes about its thing, obliterating it's surroundings into dust and knocking buildings over like the Cloverfield monster as if it were having a casual conversation while sitting on a park bench feeding the birds. One doesn't realize how loud it is because it is so calm about it. Most sound like a jet airliner when they idle, but not Mr. Destructo.
 
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Traded the Uber. Hasn't been mentioned yet but the biggest reason why is that I discovered I didn't like the voicing or it's distortion, whereas I love the voicing and distortion on the Peavey. Too bassy at most settings, not enough of a certain something. I tried very hard to like it and was perhaps fooling myself from the beginning.

Live and learn.

I hope Bogner does a take on the 6505+, or another take on a modded Marshall that is simpler and cheaper than the Ecstasy. I look forward to seeing and hearing what he cooks up next.
 
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This thread made me sell my Bogner for $300

you guys suck but you're right - I am sick of the non-stop reliability, phenomenal tone, ability cut thru, control at ANY volume, non-stop praise from engineers, and most of all I am SICK AND **** TIRED of this amp working perfectly in almost any genre of music and in almost every room in LA, Palm Springs, and some of Las Vegas.

Thanks for this briliant thread!
 
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Hmmm, a boutique take on the 6505?

SLO, anyone?

It was the other way around. The 6505 is the cheap SLO (but with more distortion).

But I'd like to hear Bogner's take on it. Or put another way, I wish the Uber was more Marshally than Mesa Rectally.

This thread made me sell my Bogner for $300

you guys suck but you're right - I am sick of the non-stop reliability, phenomenal tone, ability cut thru, control at ANY volume, non-stop praise from engineers, and most of all I am SICK AND **** TIRED of this amp working perfectly in almost any genre of music and in almost every room in LA, Palm Springs, and some of Las Vegas.

Thanks for this briliant thread!

Your sarcasm rheostat is set a smidge too high.
 
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It was the other way around. The 6505 is the cheap SLO.

But I'd like to hear Bogner's take on it. Or put another way, I wish the Uber was more Marshally than Mesa Rectally.

Yeah, I know the 51506505 is a cheap re-engineer of the SLO. Amp geek humour is a tough road. Or maybe it's just a tough crowd.

Can you guess the original starting point for the SLO build? what amp did Mike S put on a bench and try to better?
 
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State of the art for the time was:


...a boogie Mk2C.

Funnily enough, I've seen people slagging Mesa for apparently ripping off the SLO design to create the Dual Rectifier. Don't know how true that is though.
 
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When I hit the studio a few months ago, I had a choice of amps. I got to hear my 5150 next to a Splawn and Bogner. The bogner was a buzz machine, a mess of tone, grainy, just awful. And this is compared to a 5150! The Splawn won by the way.

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