No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
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Dr. Vegetable
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Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
Call me in another 10 years, maybe...
Call me in another 10 years, maybe...
Kramer Guy
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Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
Nope. I hate modeling amps.
Nope. I hate modeling amps.
NecroPolo
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Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
After 20 years of using tube amps my spine forced me to change my rig to the lightest possible so I ended up using these onstage and in the studio:
http://amtelectronics.com/products/#GUITAR
After 2 years of use, I'd say it's an improvement. The response is like the real thing but coming with less unwanted attributes. As a plus: superfast setup, consistent tone and much more straightforward recording as these sounds awesome both through the cab sim out (plug and play) or a power amp/cab. This is the cab sim out, directly into the recording gear:
The blues harp is a guitar, too
After 20 years of using tube amps my spine forced me to change my rig to the lightest possible so I ended up using these onstage and in the studio:
http://amtelectronics.com/products/#GUITAR
After 2 years of use, I'd say it's an improvement. The response is like the real thing but coming with less unwanted attributes. As a plus: superfast setup, consistent tone and much more straightforward recording as these sounds awesome both through the cab sim out (plug and play) or a power amp/cab. This is the cab sim out, directly into the recording gear:
The blues harp is a guitar, too
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Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
Incredibly false assertion Kojo.
I for one, think modelling is fantastic. As with all things, it has a time and a place. There will always be Tone snobbery whether it is guitars, tube amps, boo-teek fx pedals, or even pickups.
But the bottom line is we have probably been hearing tones that we think are awesome, and were modelers, for years. The true "blind" test is never really done.
But even from the original Line 6 Axis - or whatever that big green monster was; Modellers have been able to produce amazing sounds.
I love my Roland Cube. Within seconds I can go from Chicago Blues to heavy Meltdown and anything in between. If you need an amp to nail classic sounds - or you want serious tonal diversity, you can't beat them.
These days I spot an All tube, a Hybrid, and a Modeller. There are good and bad points about each. Love it for what it is, and ALWAYS remember: The audience does not care.
Incredibly false assertion Kojo.
I for one, think modelling is fantastic. As with all things, it has a time and a place. There will always be Tone snobbery whether it is guitars, tube amps, boo-teek fx pedals, or even pickups.
But the bottom line is we have probably been hearing tones that we think are awesome, and were modelers, for years. The true "blind" test is never really done.
But even from the original Line 6 Axis - or whatever that big green monster was; Modellers have been able to produce amazing sounds.
I love my Roland Cube. Within seconds I can go from Chicago Blues to heavy Meltdown and anything in between. If you need an amp to nail classic sounds - or you want serious tonal diversity, you can't beat them.
These days I spot an All tube, a Hybrid, and a Modeller. There are good and bad points about each. Love it for what it is, and ALWAYS remember: The audience does not care.
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
What the "purists" fail to realize is that modelers give a "recorded" tone. A modeler coming through small speakers won't "feel" like a 4x12 because it's NOT a 4x12. You put a modeler through a solid state power amp and 4x12 cabinet and it's going to sound and feel real.
I use modelers and solid state amps through cabinet IRs for my tone, and it's better than it was with real tube heads through a 4x12... because *I'm* better than I was years ago.
What the "purists" fail to realize is that modelers give a "recorded" tone. A modeler coming through small speakers won't "feel" like a 4x12 because it's NOT a 4x12. You put a modeler through a solid state power amp and 4x12 cabinet and it's going to sound and feel real.
I use modelers and solid state amps through cabinet IRs for my tone, and it's better than it was with real tube heads through a 4x12... because *I'm* better than I was years ago.
Grindspine
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Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
Why would you use a modeler through small speakers?
I think my first notice of modeling amp use was Fear Factory's Dino Cazares. After his modded Marshall was stolen, he started running a POD Pro through a Mesa power amp and 4x12s. I think Digimortal (the first album that setup recorded) had a kinda weird guitar tone, but it has grown on me some. Dino's albums recorded after have sounded far better.
I saw Evanescence live years ago and was surprised how good their live tone was with Vetta heads.
I have been very surprised by the Kempler profiling amplifier.
That all being said, for my own needs, my Mesa/Boogie rig still works for me. I have no intention of trading it for anything else. I would not automatically shun a high end modeling amp though.
Why would you use a modeler through small speakers?
I think my first notice of modeling amp use was Fear Factory's Dino Cazares. After his modded Marshall was stolen, he started running a POD Pro through a Mesa power amp and 4x12s. I think Digimortal (the first album that setup recorded) had a kinda weird guitar tone, but it has grown on me some. Dino's albums recorded after have sounded far better.
I saw Evanescence live years ago and was surprised how good their live tone was with Vetta heads.
I have been very surprised by the Kempler profiling amplifier.
That all being said, for my own needs, my Mesa/Boogie rig still works for me. I have no intention of trading it for anything else. I would not automatically shun a high end modeling amp though.
Edgecrusher
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Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
Dino has also said many times that he didnt like the sound of the Line6 but used it cause he didnt have anything else.
Dino has also said many times that he didnt like the sound of the Line6 but used it cause he didnt have anything else.
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
crusty philtrum
Vintageologist
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
If you're better now (and congratulations, that is what we all hope for if we keep pursuing our interests for many years), have you revisited the world of tube amps in recent times as a better player ? I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine thought.
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I build valve amps, and my ear has developed over the years as well as (hopefully) my skills with the instrument. Every now and then i get the chance to investigate the current technologies, and so far, as someone who is not yet forced to have to move away from traditional valve amps, I'm not hearing anything that equals them. I do hear them as being useful for recording, and i understand that they are a tool many people need out of necessity (appartment dwelling, portability, etc.)
So I'm not forced to use them yet, and i stay with tube amps. I am happy to know that development continues with the alternatives so that by the time i have to consider their use, they will be more developed. For me, at the present time, they do not sound or react to the player as well as a valve amp, so i use valve amps. Besides, i'm not hearing anything about them modelling the heat and smell of a funky old amp cooking away, a crackly plate resistor, the sag of wall and recitifer voltages, or the interaction between the chasis and cabinet in a combo.
Lots of people use the newer technologies and seem happy. I'm only stating my own views, not expecting anyone to agree with me.
If you're better now (and congratulations, that is what we all hope for if we keep pursuing our interests for many years), have you revisited the world of tube amps in recent times as a better player ? I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine thought.
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I build valve amps, and my ear has developed over the years as well as (hopefully) my skills with the instrument. Every now and then i get the chance to investigate the current technologies, and so far, as someone who is not yet forced to have to move away from traditional valve amps, I'm not hearing anything that equals them. I do hear them as being useful for recording, and i understand that they are a tool many people need out of necessity (appartment dwelling, portability, etc.)
So I'm not forced to use them yet, and i stay with tube amps. I am happy to know that development continues with the alternatives so that by the time i have to consider their use, they will be more developed. For me, at the present time, they do not sound or react to the player as well as a valve amp, so i use valve amps. Besides, i'm not hearing anything about them modelling the heat and smell of a funky old amp cooking away, a crackly plate resistor, the sag of wall and recitifer voltages, or the interaction between the chasis and cabinet in a combo.
Lots of people use the newer technologies and seem happy. I'm only stating my own views, not expecting anyone to agree with me.
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
i cant wait for yodeling amps.
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
I'm using AmpliTube 3 for practice and recording, and I'm very pleased with it. I still prefer a real tube amp, but the Amplitube software is great for what it is.
I'm using AmpliTube 3 for practice and recording, and I'm very pleased with it. I still prefer a real tube amp, but the Amplitube software is great for what it is.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
I didn't test an Axe FX, but one defining moment was new releases of the Axe FX which sound progressively better (from clips I heard) while everyone was saying that the previous one was perfectly on target - right until the next release.
In general I seem to require tubes for guitar. My multieffect is a Vox tonelab which has one. My keyboard is a Korg Triton extreme which has one. But I can't hear a difference from single tube preamps for microphones or bass. There's something special in guitar and organ sounds.
I didn't test an Axe FX, but one defining moment was new releases of the Axe FX which sound progressively better (from clips I heard) while everyone was saying that the previous one was perfectly on target - right until the next release.
In general I seem to require tubes for guitar. My multieffect is a Vox tonelab which has one. My keyboard is a Korg Triton extreme which has one. But I can't hear a difference from single tube preamps for microphones or bass. There's something special in guitar and organ sounds.
Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
I use both modeling and tube gear. I like both and think that if you can't get a good sound from most of the modeling products available today you need to try harder. I wouldn't say it's the same as playing through a real amp, though I would say that some of the cheap tube amps available sound pretty horrible and are worse than a half decent modeler.
I use both modeling and tube gear. I like both and think that if you can't get a good sound from most of the modeling products available today you need to try harder. I wouldn't say it's the same as playing through a real amp, though I would say that some of the cheap tube amps available sound pretty horrible and are worse than a half decent modeler.
chris effect
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Re: No love for modeling 'round here, uh?
I was so pleased with the Vypyr I sold my Peavey XXX. I like modeling amps .They're endless fun. I know it's not quite the same as the real thing, but close enough for me. I do not like Line 6 from the little I've played one. Sounds too Digital. I'd love to try the new Blackstar ID series. I Can't afford a Kemper Profiler or AxeFx. LOL i'm sure I'd dig those though.
I was so pleased with the Vypyr I sold my Peavey XXX. I like modeling amps .They're endless fun. I know it's not quite the same as the real thing, but close enough for me. I do not like Line 6 from the little I've played one. Sounds too Digital. I'd love to try the new Blackstar ID series. I Can't afford a Kemper Profiler or AxeFx. LOL i'm sure I'd dig those though.
