Orange drops vs mylar caps - evidence!

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Stef said:
Mylar Capacitor Structure
Polyester film as dielectric, inductive construction, epoxy resin dip sealed.
A mylar capacitor uses mylar, which is a polyester film, as a dielectric.
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Ok, Cool :-)
I didn't know that. I went to get some .001 caps at a local shop and these were what they had. Said mylar right on them. I never had heard of those b4.

So they are poly then:burnout: Funny thing tho. You know how usually the size of the capitance is somewhat relative to the physical size of the cap. ie: smaller rating = smaller cap, going all the way down to reeeeaal small.

These particular ones are about 1/2" by 1/4" in size. Pretty large for a .001uf cap. But the sound is:headbang:
 
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y'all have seen this:
http://dev.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179263
right?

OMG! At least it hasn't got mean in this thread.. yet.
So there's this huge argument about caps that I don't want to begin again in here.
Anyway if it went from on/off to full range, it seems likely that something else was wrong with the old caps, they may have been way off spec, damaged, or not hooked up right..
- Which is not to say that Orange Drops, PIO or anything else are, or are not, better than anything else..
Please don't shoot me!
 
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ehdwuld said:
put some tape on the stock cap

lets see
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Tape? Do you just mean make sure the cap is properly connected? I'll give it a go when I get a chance, if it saves me buying another cap then I'm all for it. :fing2:
 
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I'm sorry, there is no discernable differnce in caps.
I have tried over 713 caps made from oil to myler to
whale dung AND THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Bubye.

Peace,

Darrin
 
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Diocletian said:
OK the Epiphone SG I bought yesterday sounds good, but I noticed the tone controls are basically binary. Full on or full off (muffled to hell).
In the past people have told me it's the pots at fault, others have said it's the caps.
Well, I opened the electronics cavity up and was pleased to see full size alphas. I've had good experiences with these so wasn't planning on buying CTS pots unless I had to.
The caps were the usual green mylar jobbies (0.22).

Now I only had ONE orange drop in my spares box (0.22) so I decided to fit it to the neck tone control as that's the only one I really like to turn down (to about halfway normally).

So I put the orange drop in. I now have a guitar with one orange drop in the neck circuit and one stock mylar in the bridge.

And I can say the orange drop DOES make a big difference.

The neck tone control now works perfectly, and when I switch to the bridge to compare, that tone control is still basically on or off so it's quite a noticeable difference.

It proves to me that orange drops (or better caps in general) are certainly a worthwhile upgrade, they DO make a difference!
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Soundclips or it didn't happen! Or is it just corksniffer's bait...?

"I say it is so" is NO proof, my tartan skirt wearer friend.
 
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Parts is parts and in a simple lowpass circuit like a guitar control, there's no reason two properly functioning capacitors of the same capacitance but with different dielectrics should cause a difference in sound.

Note the key words there 'properly functioning' and 'same capacitance'. Two different .022µF +/- 20% caps could be anywhere from .018-.026µF. One of the caps could be partially or fully leaky, or have some pretty pathetic parasitic inductance or equivelent series resistance that the other doesn't. One cap could have better stabilty with temperature while the other jumps all over the map with the slightest temperature change.

The above mentioned things I could see having an effect, however minor, on the tone control in a guitar. But in itself, "X dielectric sounds better than Y dielectric," or "A dielectric has an Modern tone, B dielectric has a classic British tone." I don't buy. By themselves, all the 'better' dielectrics are going to do is allow for the same capacitance to be made in a smaller package with a tighter tolerance and less parasitic properties, more cost effectively. That's it.
 
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matt239 said:
--------- :eek:
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dang it
too late:smack:

Diocletian said:
Tape? Do you just mean make sure the cap is properly connected? I'll give it a go when I get a chance, if it saves me buying another cap then I'm all for it. :fing2:
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tape
as in my first post here
I beleive one leg of my VitaminT had grounded before the cap
therefore bypassing the cap
tape, I believe, would prevent this without redoing the entire assembly
 
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I'm with Gingrel, Desert and Darrin and Koreth...
 
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I have never tried anything besides ceramic and orange drops, and I don't know if its the placebo effect or not, but I definitely prefer the tone I've got with the orange drops. Again, it may just be my ears playing tricks on me, but I'll take it.
 
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I have the stock caps in my RG2
my
RG4 has a Vitamin T PIO as I mentioned earlier
I find no difference, in fact, I have purchased 10 of the cheap $.38 ceramics for all my next upgrade/mods

as I stated before

I had the exact same problem as the Original Poster
and the solution was, in my opinion, a mundane wiring error
not cap related
 
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hermetico said:
I am really curious on to know how many of the people that says that he cannot hear a difference, uses sprage orange drops instead of the cheapest cap that can be bought, when refitting his guitar and, why.
I guess, very few people will tell the truth, but just curious.

Don't get me wrong. It's real curiosity. And why Sprage Orange Drops and not any other cap with exactly the same tech specs?.
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Nice new avatar hermano:friday:

I buy the orange drops in bulk for use on every guitar I make and sell,
so I've got them laying around for my own projects.
I personally cannot tell the difference against the green polyester caps,
but here in OZ the orange drops appeal more to the cork sniffers,
so they get what they pay for and PIO's if they want, at local inflated
prices of course!
 
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