Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
good....lest see changing the sadles and bras
good....lest see changing the sadles and bras
Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
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Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
im trying to get my sound, my own sound.....and so im taking my guitar like a project to make this one like my own guitar signature.....i like this S270 series cause feels very confortable in my hans.....so get the seymour duncan pickups and it realy change too much.....them my Marshall valvestate 8080 make it some repairments.....so....them i was talking with pavel....hi is a friend o mine that make his own mark brand of Bass...call it pavel.........so he tall me about he quality of the metal that the bridge are made.....so he recomend me the Schaller... but this one cause the Radius cant Fit me very well...so i had to change my mine and start to look out for others bridge...so i found this one the Edge Tremolo original, the one that Steve Vai use in his guitar....so i just want to finish this project and see how it will sound after all....cause my bridge it is a very simple one as i get the information........so hoppe you can help me knowing this things now.....
im trying to get my sound, my own sound.....and so im taking my guitar like a project to make this one like my own guitar signature.....i like this S270 series cause feels very confortable in my hans.....so get the seymour duncan pickups and it realy change too much.....them my Marshall valvestate 8080 make it some repairments.....so....them i was talking with pavel....hi is a friend o mine that make his own mark brand of Bass...call it pavel.........so he tall me about he quality of the metal that the bridge are made.....so he recomend me the Schaller... but this one cause the Radius cant Fit me very well...so i had to change my mine and start to look out for others bridge...so i found this one the Edge Tremolo original, the one that Steve Vai use in his guitar....so i just want to finish this project and see how it will sound after all....cause my bridge it is a very simple one as i get the information........so hoppe you can help me knowing this things now.....
Taz Rules
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Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
I think I get it.
Problem is... you can't buy a sound. Different pickups, hardware, strings... these only tweak an existing sound. Amps and settings make a bigger difference, but those can be dialled in at no cost.
At tht end of the day, your sound comes from your fingertips.
Clapton was still Clapton, whether he played a strat or an sg. Lots of guitarists switch gear and keep their sound...Slash comes immediately to mind. Many will go through several guitars in a single gig due to tunings etc. U2 is a goid example there. But through it all, they retain their basic sound because they are still using their own fingers and experience.
I compare it to a golfer buying new clubs and expecting his game to improve. Sure it can and will make a bit of difference. But it won't change his swing or ability.
My advice is to keep the guitar the way it is. Who knows... a new bridge may make it less comfortable instead of more. So keep it as is, and instead of spending your time and energy fussing over gear changes, pick up you guitar an focus on making your sound. Find it within yourself. The gear will fall where it may.
I think I get it.
Problem is... you can't buy a sound. Different pickups, hardware, strings... these only tweak an existing sound. Amps and settings make a bigger difference, but those can be dialled in at no cost.
At tht end of the day, your sound comes from your fingertips.
Clapton was still Clapton, whether he played a strat or an sg. Lots of guitarists switch gear and keep their sound...Slash comes immediately to mind. Many will go through several guitars in a single gig due to tunings etc. U2 is a goid example there. But through it all, they retain their basic sound because they are still using their own fingers and experience.
I compare it to a golfer buying new clubs and expecting his game to improve. Sure it can and will make a bit of difference. But it won't change his swing or ability.
My advice is to keep the guitar the way it is. Who knows... a new bridge may make it less comfortable instead of more. So keep it as is, and instead of spending your time and energy fussing over gear changes, pick up you guitar an focus on making your sound. Find it within yourself. The gear will fall where it may.
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
thanks ....i will inprove my tecnique...i dont want to buy a new sound...im glad with mine...look my marshall valvestate 8080 i just change a few bad pieces I know that I have to learn a lot more and perfect my technique and get them to sound better, but what I wanted to do was finish making this guitar was up to a high range, which is a satisfaction but you are right about spending money And everything else, thank you for the advice, but if later I can finish the work I will let you know by this way ....
thanks ....i will inprove my tecnique...i dont want to buy a new sound...im glad with mine...look my marshall valvestate 8080 i just change a few bad pieces I know that I have to learn a lot more and perfect my technique and get them to sound better, but what I wanted to do was finish making this guitar was up to a high range, which is a satisfaction but you are right about spending money And everything else, thank you for the advice, but if later I can finish the work I will let you know by this way ....
kherman
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Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
I have not tried these!!
But, maybe one of the Guitar Fetish trems will fit.
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Floyd-Rose-Fastloader-locking-Tremolo-System_p_260.html
Or
http://www.guitarfetish.com/NEW-Heavy-Duty-Dual-Locking-Floyd-Rose-Trem-BRASSSTEEL_p_518.html
I have not tried these!!
But, maybe one of the Guitar Fetish trems will fit.
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Floyd-Rose-Fastloader-locking-Tremolo-System_p_260.html
Or
http://www.guitarfetish.com/NEW-Heavy-Duty-Dual-Locking-Floyd-Rose-Trem-BRASSSTEEL_p_518.html
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
the firts one seems to be like the guitar have but this one have the locking that the guitar doesnt have on her bridge....
I have not tried these!!
But, maybe one of the Guitar Fetish trems will fit.
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Floyd-Rose-Fastloader-locking-Tremolo-System_p_260.html
Or
http://www.guitarfetish.com/NEW-Heavy-Duty-Dual-Locking-Floyd-Rose-Trem-BRASSSTEEL_p_518.html
the firts one seems to be like the guitar have but this one have the locking that the guitar doesnt have on her bridge....
Rex_Rocker
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Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
Keep in mind the original Edge has a 430mm radius. Those Korean Wizard II necks have a 400mm radius. So even with the Edge, the would be a radius mismatch. Not a big one, though.
Keep in mind the original Edge has a 430mm radius. Those Korean Wizard II necks have a 400mm radius. So even with the Edge, the would be a radius mismatch. Not a big one, though.
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
good point.......I take the guitar to my luthier and I measured the neck and it measured a radius of about 18 inches, I really do not understand because since certainly according to the thickenings of these guitars the neck is 400 mm or about 16 inches is very dificult to find a good bridge for this 16 inch radius....
good point.......I take the guitar to my luthier and I measured the neck and it measured a radius of about 18 inches, I really do not understand because since certainly according to the thickenings of these guitars the neck is 400 mm or about 16 inches is very dificult to find a good bridge for this 16 inch radius....
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
My edge zero II has 400mm (16") radius.
My edge zero II has 400mm (16") radius.
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
thats what i think the mine have to be....400mm (16") radius
thats what i think the mine have to be....400mm (16") radius
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
There is an indonesian ebay seller who sells edge zero-ii . You might try this one for about 100 EUR. IMHO this is not a bad bridge at all. Might not be as hard and solid as the OFR but it is way more convenient , ergonomic and refined (but maybe a little over-engineered - like who needs locking studs ?? )
There is an indonesian ebay seller who sells edge zero-ii . You might try this one for about 100 EUR. IMHO this is not a bad bridge at all. Might not be as hard and solid as the OFR but it is way more convenient , ergonomic and refined (but maybe a little over-engineered - like who needs locking studs ?? )
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
i will show you my guitar and conditions
i will show you my guitar and conditions
metalchurch79
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Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
Im not really sure what direction youre going with this, but I noticed that the locking nut needs some attention. I have some extra string clamps that will fit your nut better. Those ones are too small and arent doing a good job...
Also check out a youtube video on intonating your guitar, youre saddle should not all be in a line like that, so its no wonder the guitar sounds off to you, cause it is.
That has some life left in it for sure man, it means alot to you anyways, so get it going and keep it original, and buy a used '87-up RG. Youll probably get it cheaper than buying the parts and doing those mods.
I had an old RG270 many years ago with that trem, and it had its limits for sure, but I didnt abuse it and it worked great. Was especially better after I made the trem dive only (which I never do, but it was necessary), and it also sounded great with both a Full Shred and a DiMarzio Breed that I swapped into it prior to sending down the road.
Ultimately you decide, just throwin some of that out there for you to consider.
If you want those string clamps pm me your address and Ill give them to you, along with the bolts and some allen wrenches.
Im not really sure what direction youre going with this, but I noticed that the locking nut needs some attention. I have some extra string clamps that will fit your nut better. Those ones are too small and arent doing a good job...
Also check out a youtube video on intonating your guitar, youre saddle should not all be in a line like that, so its no wonder the guitar sounds off to you, cause it is.
That has some life left in it for sure man, it means alot to you anyways, so get it going and keep it original, and buy a used '87-up RG. Youll probably get it cheaper than buying the parts and doing those mods.
I had an old RG270 many years ago with that trem, and it had its limits for sure, but I didnt abuse it and it worked great. Was especially better after I made the trem dive only (which I never do, but it was necessary), and it also sounded great with both a Full Shred and a DiMarzio Breed that I swapped into it prior to sending down the road.
Ultimately you decide, just throwin some of that out there for you to consider.
If you want those string clamps pm me your address and Ill give them to you, along with the bolts and some allen wrenches.
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
I've written to you pm, a lot of thanks, yes i want those string clamps, I want to know what you think if i change the Saddles and the block
I've written to you pm, a lot of thanks, yes i want those string clamps, I want to know what you think if i change the Saddles and the block
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
i think im going to work at last with this idea that i get in other forum,
Schaller https://www.allparts.com/SB-0290-003-Schaller-Floyd-Rose-Locking-Tremolo_p_3254.html but cause the 12" radius i change my mine but wiht this idea can be done
Measure the length of the block in your existing trem before you place an order. The Ibanez S body is quite thin and may require a block that is shorter than normal. I think the standard block length on the Floyd Rose is 37mm, but you can also get them with 32mm blocks.
It should be possible to customise the radius of the bridge by shimming with thin strips of metal underneath the saddles. Shimming the E, A, B and E saddles up by 0.15mm will give you an approximation of a 16" radius with a set of OFR saddles designed for 12" radius.
The nuts can also be ordered with different sizes and radii, so consider that if you're also looking to replace the nut on your guitar. Floyd Rose have a chart of their nut sizes here https://floydrose.com/products/original-locking-nut?variant=30511208914 .
i think im going to work at last with this idea that i get in other forum,
Schaller https://www.allparts.com/SB-0290-003-Schaller-Floyd-Rose-Locking-Tremolo_p_3254.html but cause the 12" radius i change my mine but wiht this idea can be done
Measure the length of the block in your existing trem before you place an order. The Ibanez S body is quite thin and may require a block that is shorter than normal. I think the standard block length on the Floyd Rose is 37mm, but you can also get them with 32mm blocks.
It should be possible to customise the radius of the bridge by shimming with thin strips of metal underneath the saddles. Shimming the E, A, B and E saddles up by 0.15mm will give you an approximation of a 16" radius with a set of OFR saddles designed for 12" radius.
The nuts can also be ordered with different sizes and radii, so consider that if you're also looking to replace the nut on your guitar. Floyd Rose have a chart of their nut sizes here https://floydrose.com/products/original-locking-nut?variant=30511208914 .
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
The Schaller drawing for their OFR says that the two E saddles are 7.4mm high, the A and B saddles are 7.9mm high and the D/G saddles 8.4mm. If you draw a circle through the tops of the saddles given that they are spaced at 10.8mm apart, the resulting radius is 320mm, (about 12"). If the outer saddles are raised slightly, the radius of the circle becomes bigger. Raising the outer two saddles by 0.15mm makes the circle radius 412mm (16.2").
In the picture below, the little white crosses indicate the tops of each of the six saddles on the standard Floyd Rose trem. The green curve is the resulting 12" radius that passes through the tops of the saddles. The red dashed curve is the 16" radius created if the 1st, 2nd 5th and 6th saddles are raised in height by 0.15mm:
The radius of the nut cannot be changed, so you must pick the right one to suit your neck. The length, width, height and string spacing of the nut will also limit your options. If your neck is 16" radius, the #10 nut in that chart appears to be close enough to work (15" radius), but only if the other dimensions of this nut are a close match to your existing nut, so compare the measurements of your nut with those listed in the chart.
The #3 nut may also be close enough to work (12" radius), but you may notice a change in feel in the lower frets. I personally wouldn't use any of the other nuts as the difference between a 10" radius nut and a 16" neck is too much and will cause significant intonation and playability issues.
Alternatively if your existing nut is still OK, you can always leave it in place and just change out the bridge.
The Schaller drawing for their OFR says that the two E saddles are 7.4mm high, the A and B saddles are 7.9mm high and the D/G saddles 8.4mm. If you draw a circle through the tops of the saddles given that they are spaced at 10.8mm apart, the resulting radius is 320mm, (about 12"). If the outer saddles are raised slightly, the radius of the circle becomes bigger. Raising the outer two saddles by 0.15mm makes the circle radius 412mm (16.2").
In the picture below, the little white crosses indicate the tops of each of the six saddles on the standard Floyd Rose trem. The green curve is the resulting 12" radius that passes through the tops of the saddles. The red dashed curve is the 16" radius created if the 1st, 2nd 5th and 6th saddles are raised in height by 0.15mm:
The radius of the nut cannot be changed, so you must pick the right one to suit your neck. The length, width, height and string spacing of the nut will also limit your options. If your neck is 16" radius, the #10 nut in that chart appears to be close enough to work (15" radius), but only if the other dimensions of this nut are a close match to your existing nut, so compare the measurements of your nut with those listed in the chart.
The #3 nut may also be close enough to work (12" radius), but you may notice a change in feel in the lower frets. I personally wouldn't use any of the other nuts as the difference between a 10" radius nut and a 16" neck is too much and will cause significant intonation and playability issues.
Alternatively if your existing nut is still OK, you can always leave it in place and just change out the bridge.
devastone
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Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
You can adjust the radius of Floyd type bridges by using shims under the saddles, that's how they were designed.
https://www.allparts.com/BP-2214-001-Bridge-Shim-Set_p_1061.html
You can adjust the radius of Floyd type bridges by using shims under the saddles, that's how they were designed.
https://www.allparts.com/BP-2214-001-Bridge-Shim-Set_p_1061.html
Re: Original Edge tremolo on Ibanez S270 Korean
yeahhhhhhhh.,.... good...good..... i was thinking where i will get this...and here you bring it....thanks....
yeahhhhhhhh.,.... good...good..... i was thinking where i will get this...and here you bring it....thanks....
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