PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

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Just got my new custom shop guitar today
It is 5A mahogany with 5A quilted maple top and maple neck.
Now as for pickups, I'm totally going for parallel axis humbucker set (2), as for the neck it will be Parallel Axis Trembucker™ Original PATB-1 but as for the bridge I'm deliberated the Parallel Axis Trembucker™ Original PATB-1 and Parallel Axis Trembucker™ Blues Sarasceno type.
Playing style goes from light blues to classic rock and more heavy rock with some metal touch.
On bridge position with heavy distortion it should sound fat and punchy, more of a metal style, blasting power chords but not over tightened like a real metal pickup.
For cleans I will play on both B+N (both coils) or B+N split (only inner coils) and it should sound like church bells.
As for heavy distortion on neck only, it should scream / sing.

What do you think regarding choosing a Parallel Axis for the bridge, a PATB-1b or Blues Sarasceno ?
Thanks

 

[CountFunkula]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

You can't go wrong with either, but I'll say PATB-3 for your needs.

 

[Despair]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

PATB-3 is stronger for clean and lighter blues where the PATB-1b is better for heavy rock through metal. They're equal but different around heavy blues through medium rock.

I think you'd love the PATB-1b for the task. With the volume rolled back around 40% on a fairly hot Marshally amp it can do AC/DC crunchy riffs with a terrific snarl, adjust your pick attack and it still sings on single notes. With most other pickups I have to change amp EQ/channels to move between smooth leads and biting crunch.

Both great pickups, but I think the PATB-1b is the better option for what you are doing.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

First, welcome to the forum!
Second, Who built your custom and pls post pics!!
next, the pickup... Hmm.. Im on the fence. The PATB3 sounds like it may be great for what you want, but... It has a big chunky sound that really beefs up a thin sounding guitar.. It maybe too dark or "beefy" in a mahog body unless the top is thick.

Ive not played the PATB1, but hear great things!

 

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Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Thank you all for the info:1:
BloodRose, thank you for the warm welcome, but I'm not new to this forum nor to Duncan pickups, I've visited here and used Duncan pups on and off since 2004… although I'm "quiet" most of the time

As for my guitar, I'm located in Israel and the guitar was build by ERG Custom guitars in Israel, it is a small workshop where you can have ANY dream come true.
These guys have tons of talent and knowledge when it comes to define the correct wood / materials for a guitar so I knew that when ill have the money and I'll know what I want, I will build it over there.
The process took 6 months and I have built only the body as I didn’t had any money for the neck as well, so I used an old Jackson Dinky XL pro 1995 neck I have which is ok for now but now I ordered a custom neck which will be maple as well.

Body shape is Jackson Dinky / Soloist which I'm used to and love, it is very well balanced, body is book matched 5A mahogany and the top is book matched 5A quilted maple 7mm thick, Schaller tremolo and plate less neck assembled (more of a "clean" look) and Schaller strap locks, all hardware is gold.

I love the results, the guitar look is very prestige and the color is amazing as it changes a bit with the reflection of the light on it from sky blue to Caribbean Style Sea (turquoise / blue).
It fills and play very well, the pickups installed now are a crapy Ibanez V8 + V7 I had from my Ibanez RG 1820X which now has a petrucci's sig pups.
The pup wiring is through a Stuart McDonald Super Switch which allows many creative wiring options, my setup is:
1 - B.
2 - B+N (split for inner coils ON).
3 - B+N full.
4 - B+N (split for outer coils ON).
5 – N.

The pups are directly mounted to the body, no mounting rings or so, that’s the way I like it for the past 5 years now and I fills it sounds better (to me) rather than using mounting rings.

If you look carefully here, you can see that the quilted top is curved by the shape of the guitar, the top didn’t arrived like that nor was cut like that, it was a standard maple plate which was in a press for 2 months and each day was pressed a little more until it got the desired curved shape.

To be honest I'm still confused, I don’t know what to choose for the bridge whether it will be a PATB-1 or a PATB-3….
So any more comments and info from experienced users is most welcome.
Thanks guys.


pics:

 

[P.A.Foholic]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHH! :yourock:

 

[AlexR]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Man, thats a really great result there - simply stunning:approve:

Since you have a Floyd, the PATB 3 won't make it too thick...... in fact that would be the only pup I'd put in there if you want a PAF type tone with just a little extra drive. If you plan to hang out in the heavies a bit more, then the PATB 1 will be the ticket - you can always roll the volume down a touch for more vintage clarity. That said, the clean tones from either 1 or 3 are stunning.

 

[orpheo]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

I'd go with something totally different. I'd get a PATB2 but with an alnico5 magnet. Despite the high DCR, it will give you that PAF-territory, but with a bit more oompf, bit more boldness, and its got a nice supple feel to it.

 

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Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Thanks for nice words guys.
I did some ore thinking and listened to the samples of both 1 and 3 in clean and dirty, the difference between them (1 and 3) is not big but I fined the 3 (Sarasceno ) just a little richer / wider in tone so I think it will be my choice for the bridge.
As for using a 2 with a different magnet, I'm not into it as I don’t like massing to much with the guts of the pup, I always prefer to use a pup as it is from factory.

Thanks guys :1:

 

[Despair]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

The PATB-2 would be a great choice if you wanted to really nail thrash rhythms. Killer for high gain lead and riffs, too. Gonzo metal pickup. But with an A5, I'd expect it to be more like a meatier JB. Not a PAF at all...

Finding good samples of the PATB-3 and even moreso the PATB-1b is really hard. The PATB-1b sounds more complex under gain. High output pickups just do some things differently with high gain.

But given your choice of pickups in other guitars, the PATB-3 is likely to be more comfortable. It's very PAFlike, but tighter under gain than most classic humbuckers.

Any Parallel Axis pickup is a good choice, just depends on what you tend to do most with the guitar.

 

[austin]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

PATB1 rules over all IMO. The PATB3 is almost as good. Don't like the PATB2 at all for some reason. Damn, I need to get some more PATB's!

-Austin

 

[IanBallard]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Crazy 8!!!!!!!

That's freeeekin' EPIC, MAN!!!

 

[51501984]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Another vote for the patb3 blues trembucker. Blues, classic rock , heavy rock, metal it wil do it all.

 

[Sanford]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Good looking guitar!

 

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Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Thanks guys
I decided to go for a PATB3b + PATB1n, I played before on that set on a mahogany guitar and it sounds great, further I can always order the PATB1b as well if I wouldn't like the 3b…

BTW, I assume it's obvious but just in case….the size of them is standard, correct ?

Thanks

 

[austin]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

I find that they're a little bit wider than standard humbuckers. I've had to sand out the edge of pickup rings a couple times to get them to fit. Then again, in other situations they've dropped straight in.
-
Austin

 

[slide]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

well, im my guitar they are going to be mounted directly to the body with no mounting rings.
i hope it will fit ok.

 

[Despair]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

well, im my guitar they are going to be mounted directly to the body with no mounting rings.
i hope it will fit ok.

Here are PATB-3 and PATB-1n links for dimensions. Can get those for any pickups off the pickup's page on the host's site.

Biggest problem is usually the corners, which are closer to square than other humbuckers.

 

[BloodRose]

Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Thats Gorgeous!! Let us know how the new pups work out. Should DEF be <vmore alive than than the v7/v8

 

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Re: PATB-1b vs. PATB Blues Sarasceno

Well, if it's interesting you guys, I have started a thread on the mentioned pups here