Peavey 6505 Mini
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Bout time! I wonder how close the tone will be with EL84tubes??
Bout time! I wonder how close the tone will be with EL84tubes??
Jason_The_Angry
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damn it. That's what I needed a year ago. I bought a 6505+112 instead. Oh well... I hope it's a beast. I like the idea of these smaller wattage, high gain amps with multiple channels.
damn it. That's what I needed a year ago. I bought a 6505+112 instead. Oh well... I hope it's a beast. I like the idea of these smaller wattage, high gain amps with multiple channels.
MetalManiac
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I hate the idea. In my estimation, it defeats the whole purpose of a high gain amp- which is brutal power and tons of headroom.The Triple Recto is 100% more on track than any any Mini hi gain amp.
I'm going to call this, and all such 'mini ' high gain amps just marketing gimmicks.Perhaps useful as a recording tool at best.
Of course there will be negative reaction to this post, but a high gain amp is meant to have a thunderous response with a 50 watt at least, but usually a 100 watt amp with at least a hi wattage 2x12 or 4x12 cabinet ,and ideally a a full stack.
Trying to get that dynamic from a mini is ridiculous, even if you put it on a 1/2 stack.
These amp makers are banking on one thing- there is a multitude of folks who want the high gain sound without the expense or considerable effort invloved in setting up such a rig.
Judging by this post, the suckers are already getting in line.
I hate the idea. In my estimation, it defeats the whole purpose of a high gain amp- which is brutal power and tons of headroom.The Triple Recto is 100% more on track than any any Mini hi gain amp.
I'm going to call this, and all such 'mini ' high gain amps just marketing gimmicks.Perhaps useful as a recording tool at best.
Of course there will be negative reaction to this post, but a high gain amp is meant to have a thunderous response with a 50 watt at least, but usually a 100 watt amp with at least a hi wattage 2x12 or 4x12 cabinet ,and ideally a a full stack.
Trying to get that dynamic from a mini is ridiculous, even if you put it on a 1/2 stack.
These amp makers are banking on one thing- there is a multitude of folks who want the high gain sound without the expense or considerable effort invloved in setting up such a rig.
Judging by this post, the suckers are already getting in line.
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While I agree with a lot of what you said, I have nothin against these. However, I disagree about the reasoning for companies to put those out. It's imho about responding to the market. People have shown, through the sales of the mini rectos for one thing, that a big fraction of the buyers out there are bedroom players who want the big amp tones but can't afford to come close to opening up one of the big amps and therefore don't feel like paying more money for an amp they won't be using to its potential. While I know lots of folks will be gigging these and are gigging mini-rectos, their big brothers will never be supplanted by these for your average rock/metal tourin band.
To me this means the same thing as the gazillions of cool pedals out there that aim to emulate this or that sound and amp; most guitar players play in their houses/bedrooms and want the full power sound at lower volunes or in a smaller package. They approximate it well, very well, but will never be exactly the same.
I saw my favorite band, everytime I die, in september. One of the guitarist (jordan) was using a tiny terror and some pedals while andy used a bigger head (couldn't tell what). Andy's tone was pure gold while jordan's was good but nothing special and a little thin... Smaller amps work but when you can afford to crank nothing beats a bigger amp... IMe.
While I agree with a lot of what you said, I have nothin against these. However, I disagree about the reasoning for companies to put those out. It's imho about responding to the market. People have shown, through the sales of the mini rectos for one thing, that a big fraction of the buyers out there are bedroom players who want the big amp tones but can't afford to come close to opening up one of the big amps and therefore don't feel like paying more money for an amp they won't be using to its potential. While I know lots of folks will be gigging these and are gigging mini-rectos, their big brothers will never be supplanted by these for your average rock/metal tourin band.
To me this means the same thing as the gazillions of cool pedals out there that aim to emulate this or that sound and amp; most guitar players play in their houses/bedrooms and want the full power sound at lower volunes or in a smaller package. They approximate it well, very well, but will never be exactly the same.
I saw my favorite band, everytime I die, in september. One of the guitarist (jordan) was using a tiny terror and some pedals while andy used a bigger head (couldn't tell what). Andy's tone was pure gold while jordan's was good but nothing special and a little thin... Smaller amps work but when you can afford to crank nothing beats a bigger amp... IMe.
Nacho8807
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This is really cool. From what I've heard they did a good job with he lunchbox versions of the ValveKing so hopefully this will be even better. I also don't think these take away from the big 100 watt heads either. They aren't meant to replace them, only give more people the opportunity to get sweet tones in their bedroom. Can't wait to try one out.
This is really cool. From what I've heard they did a good job with he lunchbox versions of the ValveKing so hopefully this will be even better. I also don't think these take away from the big 100 watt heads either. They aren't meant to replace them, only give more people the opportunity to get sweet tones in their bedroom. Can't wait to try one out.
Johtosotku
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I'm a little torn on this. I have a small amp that I love and have nothing against them, but I somehow feel this goes against anything the 5150/6505 stands for and I can't really see it sounding the same.
I had a 6505 for some time some years ago, and I'm positive I'll get one again in the future. When buying used they're very cheap for what they can do. And for me that is monstrous thump and terrific metal gain. I doubt this one has the feel and can be heard at the volumes my bands play at.
I hope that it captures most of what the original amps are about, and that they're priced reasonably, and that many people find what they're looking for in them. They're just not for me.
I'm a little torn on this. I have a small amp that I love and have nothing against them, but I somehow feel this goes against anything the 5150/6505 stands for and I can't really see it sounding the same.
I had a 6505 for some time some years ago, and I'm positive I'll get one again in the future. When buying used they're very cheap for what they can do. And for me that is monstrous thump and terrific metal gain. I doubt this one has the feel and can be heard at the volumes my bands play at.
I hope that it captures most of what the original amps are about, and that they're priced reasonably, and that many people find what they're looking for in them. They're just not for me.
Edgecrusher
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Actually not necessarily.. most people dont know that you can use one side of an EL84 as a phase inverter which would save them one 12ax7. Then im guessing that the effects loop is no longer tube driven and you have the other. Even then in the 6505 there is one 12ax7 that only one side is actually used so its quite possible they are making up for the missing 2 without op amps... but that being said i wouldnt be suprised at all if they did use them.
Actually not necessarily.. most people dont know that you can use one side of an EL84 as a phase inverter which would save them one 12ax7. Then im guessing that the effects loop is no longer tube driven and you have the other. Even then in the 6505 there is one 12ax7 that only one side is actually used so its quite possible they are making up for the missing 2 without op amps... but that being said i wouldnt be suprised at all if they did use them.
Kosh Naranek
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Good idea. I worry a little about neighbors complaining when I crank up my 6505+ to record some riffs upstairs in the house.
Good idea. I worry a little about neighbors complaining when I crank up my 6505+ to record some riffs upstairs in the house.
King IzzO)))
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Sounds like an awesome idea for a practice/home studio amp, but there will be a milliom dip****s trying to play in bands with them, count on it. I want to know how much.
Sounds like an awesome idea for a practice/home studio amp, but there will be a milliom dip****s trying to play in bands with them, count on it. I want to know how much.
Gone_Shootin
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The 5150/6505 has 5 gain stages, so if they ditched the tube buffers, they would only be down one gain stage if they're using a one of the 12AX7s for the PI. They could have made up for the lost gain stage by solid state means, but they may have also simply tweaked the negative feedback resistor values on the remaining gain stages.
The 5150/6505 has 5 gain stages, so if they ditched the tube buffers, they would only be down one gain stage if they're using a one of the 12AX7s for the PI. They could have made up for the lost gain stage by solid state means, but they may have also simply tweaked the negative feedback resistor values on the remaining gain stages.
King IzzO)))
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Considering that I coulda bought a new JCA22H the other day from MF for $279, and you can pull off the occasional used 5150/6505 120W for the same price, 5 bills does seem a little steep to me. I might try to snatch one up when they hit the used market.
Considering that I coulda bought a new JCA22H the other day from MF for $279, and you can pull off the occasional used 5150/6505 120W for the same price, 5 bills does seem a little steep to me. I might try to snatch one up when they hit the used market.
Nacho8807
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I see your point on the Jet City, but you're comparing apples and oranges with the 120W head vs this. Those in the market for a bedroom or small studio amp probably won't spring for the full size head just because it's the same price. It wouldn't fit their needs. I think its priced competitively for what it is, and I'm sure the used market will offer some really sweet deals on these in the future.
I see your point on the Jet City, but you're comparing apples and oranges with the 120W head vs this. Those in the market for a bedroom or small studio amp probably won't spring for the full size head just because it's the same price. It wouldn't fit their needs. I think its priced competitively for what it is, and I'm sure the used market will offer some really sweet deals on these in the future.
devastone
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Just FYI, the PI section uses both sides of the preamp tube, so it uses a whole 12AX7, although I'm guessing they are using a SS PI in these amps, just makes more sense. Also, power tubes are not split into 2 separate circuits like most preamp tubes, they are a single circuit (there may be some power tubes with 2 circuits out there, but the 6L6s, 6V6s, EL84s, EL34s, 6550s, etc... that are used in guitar amps are single sided).
I personally like the low power amps, although I would like to see more 6V6 amps instead of just EL84 ones. Back in the day when I was playing clubs, even some of the bigger clubs, I had a 50W and 100W Marshall (JCM 800 or 900, and sometimes an old SL) half stack, even with the 50 watters the house sound guys usually just kept telling us to turn down so they could control the mix, it was usually down to a volume that was below the "good tone" setting. So, I welcome these, you can get the power tubes working at a reasonable volume through a 1-12 or 2-12 and still let the sound man control the mix. If you only occasionally need more power and multiple cabinets, you can always slave out to a separate higher wattage power amp powering a couple of 4-12s or something. Heck, I run direct most of the time now, so my "amp" is an AMT SS-11, if I want to run cabinets, I have an ISP Stealth power amp. Granted, amps have come a long way, and master volumes do a better job of letting 100W amps sound decent at lower at lower volumes, but when you run a tube power amp at low volumes like that, it's running as clean as a SS power amp, so all those high $ power tubes aren't really contributing to your sound.
Mostly just my <$0.02 (except for the power tube specs) so YMMV, it's all ice cream, etc...
*EDIT* And yes, I'm waiting on that Jet City SDOTD to come back around, I missed it...
Just FYI, the PI section uses both sides of the preamp tube, so it uses a whole 12AX7, although I'm guessing they are using a SS PI in these amps, just makes more sense. Also, power tubes are not split into 2 separate circuits like most preamp tubes, they are a single circuit (there may be some power tubes with 2 circuits out there, but the 6L6s, 6V6s, EL84s, EL34s, 6550s, etc... that are used in guitar amps are single sided).
I personally like the low power amps, although I would like to see more 6V6 amps instead of just EL84 ones. Back in the day when I was playing clubs, even some of the bigger clubs, I had a 50W and 100W Marshall (JCM 800 or 900, and sometimes an old SL) half stack, even with the 50 watters the house sound guys usually just kept telling us to turn down so they could control the mix, it was usually down to a volume that was below the "good tone" setting. So, I welcome these, you can get the power tubes working at a reasonable volume through a 1-12 or 2-12 and still let the sound man control the mix. If you only occasionally need more power and multiple cabinets, you can always slave out to a separate higher wattage power amp powering a couple of 4-12s or something. Heck, I run direct most of the time now, so my "amp" is an AMT SS-11, if I want to run cabinets, I have an ISP Stealth power amp. Granted, amps have come a long way, and master volumes do a better job of letting 100W amps sound decent at lower at lower volumes, but when you run a tube power amp at low volumes like that, it's running as clean as a SS power amp, so all those high $ power tubes aren't really contributing to your sound.
Mostly just my <$0.02 (except for the power tube specs) so YMMV, it's all ice cream, etc...
*EDIT* And yes, I'm waiting on that Jet City SDOTD to come back around, I missed it...
Edgecrusher
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As an FYI... You are wrong. Hell the EL84 was specifically designed specifically to eliminate the driver in radios... it made them cheaper to produce cause you could use 1 less tube.
As an FYI... You are wrong. Hell the EL84 was specifically designed specifically to eliminate the driver in radios... it made them cheaper to produce cause you could use 1 less tube.
dystrust
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Edgecrusher is correct. Class A amps are single sided and don't need a PI since all of the power tubes operate continually on the entire signal. Class A/B amps OTOH use pairs of tubes in a push-pull configuration with one tube of each pair working on a single side of the sine wave. These amps have a PI so that the output resulting from each half of the push-pull pair(s) will be correctly in phase.
Edgecrusher is correct. Class A amps are single sided and don't need a PI since all of the power tubes operate continually on the entire signal. Class A/B amps OTOH use pairs of tubes in a push-pull configuration with one tube of each pair working on a single side of the sine wave. These amps have a PI so that the output resulting from each half of the push-pull pair(s) will be correctly in phase.
