Pots and Caps for Quarter Pound.
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DreX
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Re: Pots and Caps for Quarter Pound.
They're so high output that humbucker rules apply, 500k unless you want to make an already dark pickup to become even darker. Whether that's OK or not depends on your musical needs. As for the cap value, it's a matter of preference as always, .047 gets you super muffled tone, .022 leaves some mids behind for a thicker sound. I like to put in a push pull tone pot and have a choice between both values.
They're so high output that humbucker rules apply, 500k unless you want to make an already dark pickup to become even darker. Whether that's OK or not depends on your musical needs. As for the cap value, it's a matter of preference as always, .047 gets you super muffled tone, .022 leaves some mids behind for a thicker sound. I like to put in a push pull tone pot and have a choice between both values.
DreX
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There's not really an advantage, it's all preference, check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpL0pacXBw
There's not really an advantage, it's all preference, check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpL0pacXBw
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So it's down to individual taste here it sounds like. Decisions, decisions, decisions. What else can anyone say about them? What do they feel like under gain? Are they better with an amp's natural drive or better with a pedal? How high do you guys generally set them against the strings?
So it's down to individual taste here it sounds like. Decisions, decisions, decisions. What else can anyone say about them? What do they feel like under gain? Are they better with an amp's natural drive or better with a pedal? How high do you guys generally set them against the strings?
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That's not the fact of the matter. If you look at the specs http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/view/82 it has a resonant peak of 4.8 KHz and a DC resistance of 13.3 k. That's comparable to a Lil 59 bridge humbucker, which as a peak of 4.6 KHz http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/view/197
Contrast that with an SSL-1 http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/view/112 , the pickup type historically paired with a 250k pot, has a peak resonance of 10kHz and a resistance of only 6.5 k, meaning that the SSL-4 has quite a few more winds of what would have to be a thinner gauge of wire in order to get those values in that amount of bobbin space.
So for the reason you'd put 500k pot with a humbucker applies to an SSL-4 as well, but it is ultimately a matter of preference. Nearly everything is.
That's not the fact of the matter. If you look at the specs http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/view/82 it has a resonant peak of 4.8 KHz and a DC resistance of 13.3 k. That's comparable to a Lil 59 bridge humbucker, which as a peak of 4.6 KHz http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/view/197
Contrast that with an SSL-1 http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones/view/112 , the pickup type historically paired with a 250k pot, has a peak resonance of 10kHz and a resistance of only 6.5 k, meaning that the SSL-4 has quite a few more winds of what would have to be a thinner gauge of wire in order to get those values in that amount of bobbin space.
So for the reason you'd put 500k pot with a humbucker applies to an SSL-4 as well, but it is ultimately a matter of preference. Nearly everything is.
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while you have a point about the windings, a larger polepiece means greater magnetic flux on the string, which translates to more current and voltage generation than would be possible with the same windings and a smaller polepiece.
while you have a point about the windings, a larger polepiece means greater magnetic flux on the string, which translates to more current and voltage generation than would be possible with the same windings and a smaller polepiece.
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No denying the magnet size and type makes a difference, but since you mention it, I think all things being equal, more often than not a weaker magnet means an even darker tone rather than brighter, at least with single coils. Comparing the Ant I Texas Hot for example, which has A2's and is darker than the Ant II Surfer with A5's.
No denying the magnet size and type makes a difference, but since you mention it, I think all things being equal, more often than not a weaker magnet means an even darker tone rather than brighter, at least with single coils. Comparing the Ant I Texas Hot for example, which has A2's and is darker than the Ant II Surfer with A5's.
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How did having 3 in a Strat feel? Any position you didn't particularly like and why?
How did having 3 in a Strat feel? Any position you didn't particularly like and why?
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I have three in a Strat now. I think the thing you have to realize is that there is no "balanced set" of Quarter Pounds, the pickup in the neck is the same as the pickup in the bridge, so the guitar is very loud and very dark. OTOH, the distortion it puts out it effortlessly thick and creamy, so that's the trade off. The guitar is very fun to shred on, but all hope is lost of having any 2/4 position quack.
But! if you order the tappable version, the "SSL-4T", you can tap them and that will cut the coil down by half with the push of a button and restore 90% of the true Strat character. My Strat does this too, if you have any questions about implementation, I'm happy to answer.
I have three in a Strat now. I think the thing you have to realize is that there is no "balanced set" of Quarter Pounds, the pickup in the neck is the same as the pickup in the bridge, so the guitar is very loud and very dark. OTOH, the distortion it puts out it effortlessly thick and creamy, so that's the trade off. The guitar is very fun to shred on, but all hope is lost of having any 2/4 position quack.
But! if you order the tappable version, the "SSL-4T", you can tap them and that will cut the coil down by half with the push of a button and restore 90% of the true Strat character. My Strat does this too, if you have any questions about implementation, I'm happy to answer.
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That's ok. I've never been much in love with quack anyways. Loud is good. This isn't really supposed to be a subtle guitar anyway. It's just going to look that way. Do they work better in light weight guitars or heavier ones? The Strat that's being refitted is fairly light.
That's ok. I've never been much in love with quack anyways. Loud is good. This isn't really supposed to be a subtle guitar anyway. It's just going to look that way. Do they work better in light weight guitars or heavier ones? The Strat that's being refitted is fairly light.
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I don't think they're better or worse in any particular type of wood, just different. My SSL-4 bedecked Strat is pretty light also and I love it. If you were unsure, you could buy one SSL-4 before committing to three, especially since you'd have the same pickup in all three spots. Note they have an RWRP middle available in case you want hum cancelling in positions 2 and 4 (but I actively avoid RWRP).
I don't think they're better or worse in any particular type of wood, just different. My SSL-4 bedecked Strat is pretty light also and I love it. If you were unsure, you could buy one SSL-4 before committing to three, especially since you'd have the same pickup in all three spots. Note they have an RWRP middle available in case you want hum cancelling in positions 2 and 4 (but I actively avoid RWRP).
Re: Pots and Caps for Quarter Pound.
No...they are higher output mainly because of the wind, slightly because of the size of the magnets. They are a fuller tone because of the larger polepieces.
Because of the higher output (like a humbucker), they work better with 500k ohm pots (like a humbucker).
No...they are higher output mainly because of the wind, slightly because of the size of the magnets. They are a fuller tone because of the larger polepieces.
Because of the higher output (like a humbucker), they work better with 500k ohm pots (like a humbucker).
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That's not entirely true. The bridge model has a resistance of 17.4 k, and the neck has 11.8 k. It is true that it doesn't come in a three-pickup set.
That's not entirely true. The bridge model has a resistance of 17.4 k, and the neck has 11.8 k. It is true that it doesn't come in a three-pickup set.
DreX
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You're thinking of the Quarter Pounds for Tele, STL-3 and STR-3.
You're thinking of the Quarter Pounds for Tele, STL-3 and STR-3.
DreX
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GFS has some models with fatter pole pieces as well http://www.guitarfetish.com/Strat-and-Tele-Guitar-Pickups_c_8.html
GFS has some models with fatter pole pieces as well http://www.guitarfetish.com/Strat-and-Tele-Guitar-Pickups_c_8.html
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You are absolutely correct sir...I was thinking Tele because that's where I have my Quarter Pound pup. I've had Tele on the brain lately.
You are absolutely correct sir...I was thinking Tele because that's where I have my Quarter Pound pup. I've had Tele on the brain lately.
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