Pro Tools Digi 002?

[jcthejester13]

Has anyone here used this rack mount system for recording? I was considering picking one up locally here, but I was looking to find out if it actually works and tracks well first. This will be my first experience with learning to record on my own, so I want something nice.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Do some research on PT and other DAW softwares. Pro Tools is a closed system for the most part and can get rather pricey. I would buy a smokin Mac and Logic long before I would invest in PT.

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Yeah, and then take your sessions to a studio and hope that they run Logic, right?

:banghead:

Pro Tools isn't the *best* solution for everyone, but if you plan on taking session data to a studio, you know that they'll have Pro Tools.

Pro Tools runs fine on a Mac or a PC, so no need to buy another computer, depending on how old your current system is.

NOTE -

I've had 13 years of professional experience as a Mac and PC technician, and currently build systems for videographers and musicians. I don't just make this stuff up.

The 002 will work fine, and you can get the Pro Tools 8 software from Digidesign directly if the rack doesn't come with it, it's probably $100 or so.

When it gets expensive is if you decide to run Pro Tools HD. That's $13k for the hardware alone. There's NO reason for a home user to run it. Pro Tools 8 gives you plenty of power for even modestly sized orchestral compositions. As for Pro Tools being closed, Logic is moreso.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Yeah, and then take your sessions to a studio and hope that they run Logic, right?

:banghead:

Pro Tools isn't the *best* solution for everyone, but if you plan on taking session data to a studio, you know that they'll have Pro Tools.

Pro Tools runs fine on a Mac or a PC, so no need to buy another computer, depending on how old your current system is.

NOTE -

I've had 13 years of professional experience as a Mac and PC technician, and currently build systems for videographers and musicians. I don't just make this stuff up.

The 002 will work fine, and you can get the Pro Tools 8 software from Digidesign directly if the rack doesn't come with it, it's probably $100 or so.

When it gets expensive is if you decide to run Pro Tools HD. That's $13k for the hardware alone. There's NO reason for a home user to run it. Pro Tools 8 gives you plenty of power for even modestly sized orchestral compositions. As for Pro Tools being closed, Logic is moreso.

You just export the tracks as a aiff or .wav file if you want to work somewhere else. If there's a will there's a way. The only thing Logic is closed to is the platform. Try buying plugins for Pro Tools.

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

You just export the tracks as a aiff or .wav file if you want to work somewhere else. If there's a will there's a way. The only thing Logic is closed to is the platform. Try buying plugins for Pro Tools.

By that "logic", Logic is limited to AU plugins.

Fortunately, for BOTH Logic and Pro Tools, FXPansion makes wrappers to convert VST plugins. There's the VST-AU Adapter for Macs, as well as the VST-RTAS Adapter for Mac and PC. Then, couple that with the fact that there's tons more VST plugins for PC only, running Pro Tools on a PC is a good solution for people. With Pro Tools sessions, you can take your entire session data to a studio, not just the audio data. You'd be able to include all of your automation and whatnot.

BTW, he can always use the 002 on a Mac with Logic if he wanted.

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Has anyone here used this rack mount system for recording? I was considering picking one up locally here, but I was looking to find out if it actually works and tracks well first. This will be my first experience with learning to record on my own, so I want something nice.

What price are you seeing for the 002? You'll also want to make sure that all the inputs and outputs work. Also, verify that your computer has firewire to hook the 002 up.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

By that "logic", Logic is limited to AU plugins.

Fortunately, for BOTH Logic and Pro Tools, FXPansion makes wrappers to convert VST plugins. There's the VST-AU Adapter for Macs, as well as the VST-RTAS Adapter for Mac and PC. Then, couple that with the fact that there's tons more VST plugins for PC only, running Pro Tools on a PC is a good solution for people. With Pro Tools sessions, you can take your entire session data to a studio, not just the audio data. You'd be able to include all of your automation and whatnot.

BTW, he can always use the 002 on a Mac with Logic if he wanted.

You're right but he would still be using an inferior product.

 

[DankStar]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

I'm 99% certain I wouldn't have the patience, much less the cranial capacity, to learn how to use pro tools.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Okay, lets have fun.

Here is my hypothetical system:
iMac 21.5-inch $1,199.00
Logic express 9 $199.00
Line 6 POD Studio UX1 with POD Farm $149.00

I'm making pro quality tracks now.

I don't know but how much would a similar PT's set up cost?

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Okay, lets have fun.

Here is my hypothetical system:
iMac 21.5-inch $1,199.00
Logic express 9 $199.00
Line 6 POD Studio UX1 with POD Farm $149.00

I'm making pro quality tracks now.

I don't know but how much would a similar PT's set up cost?

Logic Express is NOT Logic.

Loaded PC system with 22 Inch Monitor - $1200ish. It'd also include the second hard drive that you're sorely lacking.

Pro Tools M-Powered $250 + M-Audio interface - $100-$400, depending on the I/O, or MBox 2 + Pro Tools LE, $300-$600, depending on interface.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Pro Tools LE

Pro Tools LE isn't Pro Tools.

Aren't I limited to just a few options for interfaces with Pro Tools? Can you use the Line 6 POD Studio UX1 with POD Farm as the sole interface with PT's?

 

[jcthejester13]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

What price are you seeing for the 002? You'll also want to make sure that all the inputs and outputs work. Also, verify that your computer has firewire to hook the 002 up.

It comes with a Dell and monitor. I guess it is the entire recording PC set up. All together it is $600.

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

It comes with a Dell and monitor. I guess it is the entire recording PC set up. All together it is $600.

Sounds like a killer deal to me. The 002 rack is worth $500 on it's own.

 

[jcthejester13]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

It is a 3.8gig Dell running pentium 4 and a 19in monitor with it. I guess the guy is trying to pay his way through dental school.

You would snatch that up?

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Pro Tools LE isn't Pro Tools.

Aren't I limited to just a few options for interfaces with Pro Tools? Can you use the Line 6 POD Studio UX1 with POD Farm as the sole interface with PT's?

No, Pro Tools LE isn't Pro Tools HD. It's still Pro Tools. You can still take your session data from one and move it to the other. I believe that once you work in Logic Studio, you can't open the session again under Express.

Sure, you're limited to Digidesign interfaces for LE, and M-Audio interfaces for M-Powered.. but you can use the same interfaces for any software DAW that you want. But you already knew the answer to that and are just trying to continue an argument.

Like I said before, I used to be a Mac and PC technician. I've owned more Macs than you have over the years. I've been a PC and Mac beta tester for audio software companies, and currently make my living building systems for videographers and musicians/studios. A Mac is just an overpriced PC. I've used Cubase (VST/5 through SX 5), Cakewalk (PA 9 - Sonar 8), Pro Tools (6.1 - 8.0), Logic (6.0 - 8.0, haven't tried 9 yet) Logic Express 7 and 8, Acid 4.0-7.0, every version of Vegas and Sound Forge, Reaper, and maybe even more... and I feel comfortable enough making recommendations for people looking to get into recording.

Would I recommend Logic Studio? Possibly, if the person already had a Mac, but I'd recommend Pro Tools as well if they're wanting to take their work to a studio. If they wanted to do everything themselves, Logic Studio would work fine. Would I recommend Logic Express? Only if I felt that they were just looking at hobbyist level production.

Personally, I think the best setup on the PC right now is a combination of Reaper and Pro Tools, at least until Pro Tools is 64 bit.

99% of people that say "forget that, buy a mac" are fanboys. I'm sorry that a PC didn't work out for you, but it's a computer, not a movement.

 

[dominus]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

It is a 3.8gig Dell running pentium 4 and a 19in monitor with it. I guess the guy is trying to pay his way through dental school.

You would snatch that up?

The computer is a bit outdated, but you could probably sell that for $200-$250 and just use the 002 on your existing computer.

 

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

No, Pro Tools LE isn't Pro Tools HD. It's still Pro Tools. You can still take your session data from one and move it to the other. I believe that once you work in Logic Studio, you can't open the session again under Express.

Sure, you're limited to Digidesign interfaces for LE, and M-Audio interfaces for M-Powered.. but you can use the same interfaces for any software DAW that you want. But you already knew the answer to that and are just trying to continue an argument.

Like I said before, I used to be a Mac and PC technician. I've owned more Macs than you have over the years. I've been a PC and Mac beta tester for audio software companies, and currently make my living building systems for videographers and musicians/studios. A Mac is just an overpriced PC. I've used Cubase (VST/5 through SX 5), Cakewalk (PA 9 - Sonar 8), Pro Tools (6.1 - 8.0), Logic (6.0 - 8.0, haven't tried 9 yet) Logic Express 7 and 8, Acid 4.0-7.0, every version of Vegas and Sound Forge, Reaper, and maybe even more... and I feel comfortable enough making recommendations for people looking to get into recording.

Would I recommend Logic Studio? Possibly, if the person already had a Mac, but I'd recommend Pro Tools as well if they're wanting to take their work to a studio. If they wanted to do everything themselves, Logic Studio would work fine. Would I recommend Logic Express? Only if I felt that they were just looking at hobbyist level production.

Personally, I think the best setup on the PC right now is a combination of Reaper and Pro Tools, at least until Pro Tools is 64 bit.

99% of people that say "forget that, buy a mac" are fanboys. I'm sorry that a PC didn't work out for you, but it's a computer, not a movement.

Don't assume you know if something worked for me or not. I have Logic 5 on a PC which I use everyday and have since version 3.0, I also have a Mac and run Ableton Live, I also have Pro Tools. While you may set up systems I was a producer for Universal Music Group and an artist as well as an artist producer for Moonshine Music, since you seem to think your credentials are so solid maybe I have a little experience as well. As an end user I prefer Logic hands down to Pro Tools. I frankly was just having fun but you seem to be taking this a little more seriously.

The OP has a good deal he should probably take it.

 

[jhale667]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

OK is the "who's got more credentials" pissing match over? Cool.


I'm using Pro Tools LE8 with an Mbox II on a PC and I love it. I also love the fact that I am going to be able to take my hard drive to my buddy's (real) studio and not have issues. Other systems may indeed have "superior" features, but they're not considered the industry standard yet...

I agree with the person that said snatch up the 002, sell off the computer and use it on your current or preferably better system.

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

These arguments about compatibility, Mac vs PC, and taking your tracks to a studio are stupid and redundant. You do NOT need PT to be industry compliant, and Mac vs PC at this point is just a personal preference for which OS you prefer, or if you like a DAW that only works on one or the other (Sonar/Logic).

Back to the original question...

The 002 is a horrible investment at this point. Shoddy preamps and even worse conversion, and doesn't work as well as other interfaces in DAW's other than PT.

You'd be best off getting an MBox 2 or M-Audio interface if you're dead set on running Slow Tools, or one of Focusrite's latest offerings if you're not.

Your PC could use some upgrading first, though.

 

[Virtual Kevorkian]

Re: Pro Tools Digi 002?

Sorry, it works in other DAWs, at least with SONAR it does.

You can't get your buffer settings lower than 128 in Cubase/Logic with one.