Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

[rspst14]

Hey guys, my only experience with Floyd Rose tremolos has been with the non-recessed type. I'm looking at a Hamer USA Chaparral body on Ebay for a shredder project, and the body is routed for a recessed Floyd. My question is, can a recessed Floyd be set against the body for downward use only, or would the action be too low? I'm not a big fan of floating bridges, but I'm assuming the purpose of recessed Floyd designs is to get lower action with a floating bridge. Does a recessed design completely rule out a non-floating Floyd setup? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Ryan

 

[nuntius]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

You'd need to get a block of wood to fill up the recessed part if you wanted to make it non floating

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

My Pacer Deluxe has a recessed Floyd, I blocked the backwards movement with a small piece of wood.
But the guitar was fatsounding from birth, so I am fortunate since that little piece of wood only made the guitar more stable and slightly fatter soundwise.
But you can also laminate the recess with wood, just measure the height where you like the Floyd and make a piece that fits, that way you can make the Floyd rest its whole surface on the guitar, I will do this when I find the time someday.

 

[SABOTAGE]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

Hey guys, my only experience with Floyd Rose tremolos has been with the non-recessed type. I'm looking at a Hamer USA Chaparral body on Ebay for a shredder project, and the body is routed for a recessed Floyd. My question is, can a recessed Floyd be set against the body for downward use only, or would the action be too low? I'm not a big fan of floating bridges, but I'm assuming the purpose of recessed Floyd designs is to get lower action with a floating bridge. Does a recessed design completely rule out a non-floating Floyd setup? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Ryan

ryan what you will need to do is to glue a small block of hard wood like maple or hard ash in the trems cavity so that when the floyd is not in use the floyds block will sit agains't the wood. this is the best way for tuning stability and tone.
I HATE floating trems
:yell:
you loss sustain,low end and IF you break a string the WHOLE guitar goes out with the above described MOD you will have a better tone and the guitare will not go out of tune if a string breaks :burnout:

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

That's pretty silly, if you ask me. Recessed Floyds can be a great thing, once you get used to 'em! 3 of my guitars have recessed Floyds, and I've never had a problem.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

I HATE floating trems
you loss sustain,low end

I think that's debatable, Sabotage ...

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

You should give the floating Floyd a chance. The reason it's recessed is to allow you to whammy sharp at least one full note. Once that Floyd is setup and intonated perfectly, you can abuse a floating Floyd and always come right back to pitch.
You can practice all your 80's pigsqueals with that guitar. Fun, to grab harmonics and go crazy with the bar.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

You should give the floating Floyd a chance. The reason it's recessed is to allow you to whammy sharp at least one full note. Once that Floyd is setup and intonated perfectly, you can abuse a floating Floyd and always come right back to pitch.
You can practice all your 80's pigsqueals with that guitar. Fun, to grab harmonics and go crazy with the bar.

Hehe ... you just described my whole playing style!!
:laugh2:

 

[Chi3f]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

You should give the floating Floyd a chance. The reason it's recessed is to allow you to whammy sharp at least one full note. Once that Floyd is setup and intonated perfectly, you can abuse a floating Floyd and always come right back to pitch.
You can practice all your 80's pigsqueals with that guitar. Fun, to grab harmonics and go crazy with the bar.

+1

I use both fixed bridge and floating floyd rose systems and each has it's own purpose. My main guitar has a floating floyd.... RG power bitches

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

I think that's debatable, Sabotage ...

Very debatable. You can make a full floating trem sound as good as a regular trem if it's set up properly.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

Well it is debatable.......recessed/floating Floyds are deeply annoying when you play alot of rhythm....drrr drrr drrr it goes.

and the guitare will not go out of tune if a string breaks

Well it sure will floating or not floating....everything will go sharp or totally sink if it is floating.
Even before I knew Van Halen used his only forward, I did the same, the only trems I float is my old vintagestyle ones.
But it is all a matter of what you want with it....there is more contact with the trem flat on the surface, and it simply works as a stoptail when not used.
If you snap your strings alot when you play...the drrr drrr sound will drive you insane, if you like it as an effect go for the floater.
And the bottom issue...well most modern guitars that are born with a Floyd, has that kind of trem caculated into the whole process, while in the old times when you hacked up an old strat with one...it sure as hell did loose some of its bottom.
So it is also a matter on how your guitar is made.
I prefer mine non floating, but that is just how I like it, the other gentelmen up here has good tones with their floating.....so it is a matter preference.

 

[rspst14]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

Did all of the old Kramers from the 80's have recessed trem routes?

Ryan

 

[MattPete]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

Nope. My Pacer doesn't, and neither did the Baretta's from that era (hockey stick headstock and earlier).

 

[rspst14]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

Nope. My Pacer doesn't, and neither did the Baretta's from that era (hockey stick headstock and earlier).

I guess that makes sense, since Eddie was working with Kramer back then, and he preferred his Floyds set for downward use only.

Ryan

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

I guess that makes sense, since Eddie was working with Kramer back then, and he preferred his Floyds set for downward use only.
Ryan

I think that when Eddie first started using the Floyd, no one even considered routing out underneath the bridge; that started a bit afterwards with Vai ...
Not the biggest VH fan or Kramer historian, so I may be wrong, but I don't think there were many, if any at all, production guitars at that time with a recessed Floyd.

 

[Grandor]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

My wolfgang (best axe on the planet) has a floyd with a huge block held by springs?
I dunno wtf thats called.

I set it up so it rests fully against the body for downward use only.
It KICKS ASS!

 

[rspst14]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

My wolfgang (best axe on the planet) has a floyd with a huge block held by springs?
I dunno wtf thats called.

I set it up so it rests fully against the body for downward use only.
It KICKS ASS!

Funny you should mention the Wolfgang, mine is going to be up for sale soon, it's just not working for me anymore. I'm looking for a Floyd guitar to replace it. I'd like to get a good body, then put a Warmoth neck on it.

Ryan

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

I think the first time I noticed recessed Floyds, it was on Ibanez guitars.
I'm actually surprised at how many Floyd users block their trems. I can understand the fact that the strings go flat when doing bends like double stops, and also the warble effect. But at least floating Floyds give you the ability to do bends above the normal pitch. Even though it's not a big deal, that's the benefit of dual locking systems.

 

[Grandor]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

Funny you should mention the Wolfgang, mine is going to be up for sale soon, it's just not working for me anymore. I'm looking for a Floyd guitar to replace it. I'd like to get a good body, then put a Warmoth neck on it.

Ryan

Why dont u like the wolfie anymore? :blackeye:

 

[MattPete]

Re: Recessed Floyd Rose bridges?

I guess that makes sense, since Eddie was working with Kramer back then, and he preferred his Floyds set for downward use only.

Ryan

Having said that, the Floyds on Kramers of that era are full floating, they just don't have a route behind them and can't be pulled as far back. If you want, you can adjust the spring claw so that it tilts back and rests on the body. I did that for a while out of curiosity. The guitar had a fuller tone, but I was breaking strings (I guess the angle over the saddles was causing that), so I set it back so that it it was floating and parallel to the body.

I suppose I could shim the neck, which would allow me to lower the bridge and have it parallel but not floating, but I like having the ability to pull up.