Lysergene
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
UK here dude. I'm not ruling anything out though
UK here dude. I'm not ruling anything out though
Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
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EDX
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
BMP with an A5 loaded set of pearly gates probably, going by how the pearly is the only paf which can really nail hard hitting biting metal tones up to thrash and black metal as stock, with a bmp and a5 mags doom up to death metal should be an easy task and it wouldn't loose it's clarity
BMP with an A5 loaded set of pearly gates probably, going by how the pearly is the only paf which can really nail hard hitting biting metal tones up to thrash and black metal as stock, with a bmp and a5 mags doom up to death metal should be an easy task and it wouldn't loose it's clarity
Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
look forward to seeing what you end up with!
BTW, I have a Michael Kelly Patriot Custom that I love.. Has a Rio BBQ in the bridge.. Sweet!! Had a Hex (I think.. set neck shred type) for awhile but sold it..
Lots of good options listed.. The Custom/59 hybrid and Custom 8 cover a lot of ground..
look forward to seeing what you end up with!
BTW, I have a Michael Kelly Patriot Custom that I love.. Has a Rio BBQ in the bridge.. Sweet!! Had a Hex (I think.. set neck shred type) for awhile but sold it..
Lots of good options listed.. The Custom/59 hybrid and Custom 8 cover a lot of ground..
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Lysergene
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Yeah our vocalist has used PGs for years. They seem really bright (probably too bright as standard for my tastes) but I've been reading that the BMP darkens things up nicely. My guitar has an ebony fretboard and a Floyd, so it's quite twangy unplugged.
Yeah our vocalist has used PGs for years. They seem really bright (probably too bright as standard for my tastes) but I've been reading that the BMP darkens things up nicely. My guitar has an ebony fretboard and a Floyd, so it's quite twangy unplugged.
Lysergene
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Yeah I love my Michael Kelly Hex Deluxe. Really easy to play, for me anyway. Easier than this PRS SE Torero. I still need to finish setting it up though (usually takes me a while to get it spot on)
Yeah I'm looking at low winds now. Hoping the BMP will give me a hot PAF with 30% of the original voicing. I'm looking into the possibility of switching between passive and active though. Probably a job for a tech; I have only wired a few pups and that would be over 20 years ago now and it seems like a bit of a mission.
Yeah I love my Michael Kelly Hex Deluxe. Really easy to play, for me anyway. Easier than this PRS SE Torero. I still need to finish setting it up though (usually takes me a while to get it spot on)
Yeah I'm looking at low winds now. Hoping the BMP will give me a hot PAF with 30% of the original voicing. I'm looking into the possibility of switching between passive and active though. Probably a job for a tech; I have only wired a few pups and that would be over 20 years ago now and it seems like a bit of a mission.
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
the passive to active switch with a blackouts preamp and passive p'ups is very straight forward, so that it isn't worth paying a tech to do it when you can do it on your home while drinking a pair of beers
the passive to active switch with a blackouts preamp and passive p'ups is very straight forward, so that it isn't worth paying a tech to do it when you can do it on your home while drinking a pair of beers
EDX
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
the BMP kit comes with the pots and jack included, just take care of buying the correct lenght, you use 25k pots with active guitar pickups (usually, but then the mustaine live wires use 100k pots like bass pickups)
nope, no passive signal going through switch, you insert the wires on the screw in terminals and the bmp gives you an already active humbucker output terminal that you wire to the switch
the BMP kit comes with the pots and jack included, just take care of buying the correct lenght, you use 25k pots with active guitar pickups (usually, but then the mustaine live wires use 100k pots like bass pickups)
nope, no passive signal going through switch, you insert the wires on the screw in terminals and the bmp gives you an already active humbucker output terminal that you wire to the switch
Lysergene
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
By 'switch' I meant a switch on the guitar that will enable me to bypass the preamp for true PAF sounds on the fly. Is this what we both mean? Sorry if I wasn't very clear.
Edit: the EMG Afterburner has a push/pull for passive/active. That kind of thing. Perhaps it would be simpler to just go with that, unless they are not any good.....
By 'switch' I meant a switch on the guitar that will enable me to bypass the preamp for true PAF sounds on the fly. Is this what we both mean? Sorry if I wasn't very clear.
Edit: the EMG Afterburner has a push/pull for passive/active. That kind of thing. Perhaps it would be simpler to just go with that, unless they are not any good.....
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stratguy23
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
I'm a big fan of Esoteric - cheers to seeing you here!
For the purposes you originally described, I would second others' recommendations of the Custom and Pegasus. Custom, to me, is a PAF voicing (crisp, slight scoop), but with underlying foundation of ceramic (higher output, stiffer attack), not the usual alnico PAF.
Nazgul is a great pickup, but is not versatile. That dog is angry all the time! 81 is that way also, though, and you seem to be OK with that.
Pearly Gates sounds great downtuned - I use it in Drop C for sludge. Because of its alnico 2 magnet, the attack is pretty spongy, and it doesn't have the clarity I think you seek.
My understanding of the Blackouts preamp is that it isn't passive/active switchable in its stock format. You would have to use different wiring, perhaps in the manner EDX described.
My understanding of the EMG Afterburner is that it's a boost, which may be related to but not necessarily the same thing as what you seek in toggling between passive/active.
If you go the Blackouts preamp route, let us know what you find. I had exactly the same thought yesterday, "Blackouts preamp with super low wind PAF", to see if I could get a unique tone not available off-the-shelf. In particular, I'm curious if the Blackouts preamp has the low mids girth that I associate with the Blackouts pickups. The combination of that and PAF mids/tops complexity might be tasty.
I'm a big fan of Esoteric - cheers to seeing you here!
For the purposes you originally described, I would second others' recommendations of the Custom and Pegasus. Custom, to me, is a PAF voicing (crisp, slight scoop), but with underlying foundation of ceramic (higher output, stiffer attack), not the usual alnico PAF.
Nazgul is a great pickup, but is not versatile. That dog is angry all the time! 81 is that way also, though, and you seem to be OK with that.
Pearly Gates sounds great downtuned - I use it in Drop C for sludge. Because of its alnico 2 magnet, the attack is pretty spongy, and it doesn't have the clarity I think you seek.
My understanding of the Blackouts preamp is that it isn't passive/active switchable in its stock format. You would have to use different wiring, perhaps in the manner EDX described.
My understanding of the EMG Afterburner is that it's a boost, which may be related to but not necessarily the same thing as what you seek in toggling between passive/active.
If you go the Blackouts preamp route, let us know what you find. I had exactly the same thought yesterday, "Blackouts preamp with super low wind PAF", to see if I could get a unique tone not available off-the-shelf. In particular, I'm curious if the Blackouts preamp has the low mids girth that I associate with the Blackouts pickups. The combination of that and PAF mids/tops complexity might be tasty.
Lysergene
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Cheers stratguy!
I think Greg uses a PG set in his fly. Possibly a bit bright for me, and spongey on the lows. His amp thumps when he palm mutes though.
I have got used to the clarity and tight output of EMGs and my rig likes them. I just don't like the squealing noise I seem to be able to get from every EMG loaded guitar. So the BMP seems like a good solution.
From what I've read I think the BMP adds a lot of low end and it retains 30% of the original pup sound. A DC of around 8k is enough to put them in blackouts territory. I read a thread about someone using a BMP with a BKP Warping. I think he caused a black hole when he plugged it in. I'll look into something vintage with asymmetric coils and PE coil wire...see what happens.
Cheers stratguy!
I think Greg uses a PG set in his fly. Possibly a bit bright for me, and spongey on the lows. His amp thumps when he palm mutes though.
I have got used to the clarity and tight output of EMGs and my rig likes them. I just don't like the squealing noise I seem to be able to get from every EMG loaded guitar. So the BMP seems like a good solution.
From what I've read I think the BMP adds a lot of low end and it retains 30% of the original pup sound. A DC of around 8k is enough to put them in blackouts territory. I read a thread about someone using a BMP with a BKP Warping. I think he caused a black hole when he plugged it in. I'll look into something vintage with asymmetric coils and PE coil wire...see what happens.
jtougas
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Bartolini makes some assymmetric pups - the 1C & 1C-TA come to mind. I have a TA in a chambered korina Jazzmaster, and it sounds incredible, even under the heaviest gain my El Diablo can throw at it. Very three dimensional and defined.
Bartolini makes some assymmetric pups - the 1C & 1C-TA come to mind. I have a TA in a chambered korina Jazzmaster, and it sounds incredible, even under the heaviest gain my El Diablo can throw at it. Very three dimensional and defined.
Lysergene
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
On their site now....I'm looking at something mismatched but not too single coil sounding (maybe a BMP would sort that out?).
Their ACE-H-75 looks interesting though (both A5 and Ceramic magnets).
On their site now....I'm looking at something mismatched but not too single coil sounding (maybe a BMP would sort that out?).
Their ACE-H-75 looks interesting though (both A5 and Ceramic magnets).
Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Alnico and ceramic! That reminded me about the Tony Iommi signature pickup.
His pickup uses ceramic & alnico II magnets.
Apparently the Tony Iommi pickups have a alnico II under the cover, on top of the bobbins. Then a ceramic magnet under the bobbins stacked on top of another alnico II. All held together with epoxy.
Thought I'd throw it out there, although I never tried the pickup.
Schecter also make a Alnico / Ceramic pickup called Apocalypse. Alnico V with ceramic flankers. It looks pretty awesome too.
Alnico and ceramic! That reminded me about the Tony Iommi signature pickup.
His pickup uses ceramic & alnico II magnets.
Apparently the Tony Iommi pickups have a alnico II under the cover, on top of the bobbins. Then a ceramic magnet under the bobbins stacked on top of another alnico II. All held together with epoxy.
Thought I'd throw it out there, although I never tried the pickup.
Schecter also make a Alnico / Ceramic pickup called Apocalypse. Alnico V with ceramic flankers. It looks pretty awesome too.
jtougas
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Talk to the Custom Shop to have a matched tapped pair made up?
Talk to the Custom Shop to have a matched tapped pair made up?
stratguy23
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Re: Replacement pickups for PRS SE Torero - Doom metal with string definition.
Lysergene, the first thing that comes to mind for combination Alnico/Ceramic is the BKP Juggernaut. Pricing may be more favorable for you, since you're on the same side of the pond as BKP.
Note that under high gain, which is your application, hum caused by mismatched coils will be more evident. If you're seeking the advantages of mismatched coils (harmonic complexity, definition, etc.), you might be better off seeking a symmetrical wind that yields those qualities.
Lysergene, the first thing that comes to mind for combination Alnico/Ceramic is the BKP Juggernaut. Pricing may be more favorable for you, since you're on the same side of the pond as BKP.
Note that under high gain, which is your application, hum caused by mismatched coils will be more evident. If you're seeking the advantages of mismatched coils (harmonic complexity, definition, etc.), you might be better off seeking a symmetrical wind that yields those qualities.
