Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
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Rex_Rocker
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
I'm interested too. I'd love a bit more power from my Phat Cat Neck, but definitely not more high or low end.
I'm interested too. I'd love a bit more power from my Phat Cat Neck, but definitely not more high or low end.
Chistopher
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
A4 magnet really depends on the wind. To me an A3 is just a slightly thinner and weaker A3, which is good in the right context. A really neutral wind will sound really neutral with an A4, a Phat Cat doesn't really have that problem, but I prefer to put an A5 in there with an A4 so to give it a bit more cut and a firmer bass. If I recall correctly, Blueman prefers an A5/A3 combo, but I like A5/A4 myself.
A4/A8 is a worthwhile combo in the bridge too.
A4 magnet really depends on the wind. To me an A3 is just a slightly thinner and weaker A3, which is good in the right context. A really neutral wind will sound really neutral with an A4, a Phat Cat doesn't really have that problem, but I prefer to put an A5 in there with an A4 so to give it a bit more cut and a firmer bass. If I recall correctly, Blueman prefers an A5/A3 combo, but I like A5/A4 myself.
A4/A8 is a worthwhile combo in the bridge too.
Rex_Rocker
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
So will A4 have more bass and treble than the stock A2? Even if it's roughcast? How about power?
So will A4 have more bass and treble than the stock A2? Even if it's roughcast? How about power?
Benjy_26
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
Two reasons A4 interests me for the Phat Cat:
* I read that during the PAF period, Gibson was buying A2, A4, and A5 mags from its vendors. Very few A4 mags made it into humbuckers, leading one to believe that the A4's went mostly to P90's.
*This particular PCn sits in my LP's neck slot. I LOVE the way this guitar sounds with a good PAF in the bridge (PGb is in there now), but it's always been a little wooly in the neck slot. The PGn is *almost* what I want in the neck, but I have a feeling a tighter, brighter PCn will get me where I want to be with this guitar.
Two reasons A4 interests me for the Phat Cat:
* I read that during the PAF period, Gibson was buying A2, A4, and A5 mags from its vendors. Very few A4 mags made it into humbuckers, leading one to believe that the A4's went mostly to P90's.
*This particular PCn sits in my LP's neck slot. I LOVE the way this guitar sounds with a good PAF in the bridge (PGb is in there now), but it's always been a little wooly in the neck slot. The PGn is *almost* what I want in the neck, but I have a feeling a tighter, brighter PCn will get me where I want to be with this guitar.
Rex_Rocker
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
See, I'm the other way around. I like the PCn just the way it's EQ'd, but I've always thought it's a little weak. I wonder if A4 would add some power, but the rough surface would keep it from getting too bright or bassy.
Not to steal your thread, though. I just think that RCA4 would be interesting in an PCn as well.
See, I'm the other way around. I like the PCn just the way it's EQ'd, but I've always thought it's a little weak. I wonder if A4 would add some power, but the rough surface would keep it from getting too bright or bassy.
Not to steal your thread, though. I just think that RCA4 would be interesting in an PCn as well.
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
No worries! The more thoughts/info the better!
FWIW, I really like the PC's in a 335 style axe, but this LP has always been somewhat of a problem child when it comes to the neck slot.
I've had the 59, A2 59, APHn, Antiquity, PCn, Dimarzio PAF, SM-1n, Jazz, and PGn in there. The PGn is mighty tasty, but it's not quite as clean as I want it to be in that particular guitar. If the A4 PCn doesn't get me where I want to be, I'm just going to go back to the PGn and call it good.
No worries! The more thoughts/info the better!
FWIW, I really like the PC's in a 335 style axe, but this LP has always been somewhat of a problem child when it comes to the neck slot.
I've had the 59, A2 59, APHn, Antiquity, PCn, Dimarzio PAF, SM-1n, Jazz, and PGn in there. The PGn is mighty tasty, but it's not quite as clean as I want it to be in that particular guitar. If the A4 PCn doesn't get me where I want to be, I'm just going to go back to the PGn and call it good.
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Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
I was thinking the same thing. You don't think it'll lose the chewiness to the high mids that are present with the standard mag?
I was thinking the same thing. You don't think it'll lose the chewiness to the high mids that are present with the standard mag?
Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
im sure it will lose a little but not sure how much. i swapped a a4 into a bucker replacing a2 recently and like what it did. still kinda chewy but with more focus and bite. its a weird guitar and a pup i made so doesnt directly apply to this case but it makes me think its at least worth a try
im sure it will lose a little but not sure how much. i swapped a a4 into a bucker replacing a2 recently and like what it did. still kinda chewy but with more focus and bite. its a weird guitar and a pup i made so doesnt directly apply to this case but it makes me think its at least worth a try
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
Cool deal. I'll try it as soon as the mags come in. I ordered two RC A4's and a polished A5. We'll see what happens.
Cool deal. I'll try it as soon as the mags come in. I ordered two RC A4's and a polished A5. We'll see what happens.
Lewguitar
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
I hear A4 as having tighter, less spongey bass than A2. The whole feel is more refined and elegant with A4.
I like that sound alot.
But my favorite in a paf style humbucker is A3 neck and A2 bridge.
That, into a Klon KTR, a Hall of Fame reverb and one of those new handwired AC30’s is giving me the best humbucker tones I’ve ever had.
I hear A4 as having tighter, less spongey bass than A2. The whole feel is more refined and elegant with A4.
I like that sound alot.
But my favorite in a paf style humbucker is A3 neck and A2 bridge.
That, into a Klon KTR, a Hall of Fame reverb and one of those new handwired AC30’s is giving me the best humbucker tones I’ve ever had.
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
Do you think your choice in amp makes a huge difference in what you like to hear from your humbuckers?
I ask because I'm playing mostly through EL34 powered amps (Rivera R100 Duo and/or a Marshall DSL100). The low end responseay be greater through my amps than what your Vox is reproducing.
Do you think your choice in amp makes a huge difference in what you like to hear from your humbuckers?
I ask because I'm playing mostly through EL34 powered amps (Rivera R100 Duo and/or a Marshall DSL100). The low end responseay be greater through my amps than what your Vox is reproducing.
Lewguitar
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
I dunno.
My favorite amps tend to have el84 or 6v6’s.
Along with the AC30, I’ve been enjoying my 1950’s 2:6v6 Gibson GA20’s too. Sort of like a tweed Deluxe but if you plug into the microphone input you get a much beefier, more overdriven sound. Great for what I play which is everything from open tuning jangle to rootsy blues, country, jazz and r&b.
I dunno.
My favorite amps tend to have el84 or 6v6’s.
Along with the AC30, I’ve been enjoying my 1950’s 2:6v6 Gibson GA20’s too. Sort of like a tweed Deluxe but if you plug into the microphone input you get a much beefier, more overdriven sound. Great for what I play which is everything from open tuning jangle to rootsy blues, country, jazz and r&b.
Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
amp choice matters a bunch. plug a guitar into a tweed deluxe, deluxe reverb, twin reverb, ac30, boogie mark v, and 1987 marshall and the same guitar will work much better with some than others. even if it sounds great in its own way with all of them
amp choice matters a bunch. plug a guitar into a tweed deluxe, deluxe reverb, twin reverb, ac30, boogie mark v, and 1987 marshall and the same guitar will work much better with some than others. even if it sounds great in its own way with all of them
Rex_Rocker
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
So A4 will have more bass and treble than A2, then, even if it's rough cast and the A2 is polished?
So A4 will have more bass and treble than A2, then, even if it's rough cast and the A2 is polished?
ItsaBass
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Re: Rough cast alnico 4 in Phat Cat neck?
The additional "bass" will likely be "apparent bass," from the pickup hitting the amp harder. The main thing you'll get is more treble and more output. It will, in the end, appear to be a snappier pickup, even though all frequencies will be boosted to some degree.
Roughcast will likely slightlyminimize and "soften" the changes caused by going to A4, but the changes will still be there.
The additional "bass" will likely be "apparent bass," from the pickup hitting the amp harder. The main thing you'll get is more treble and more output. It will, in the end, appear to be a snappier pickup, even though all frequencies will be boosted to some degree.
Roughcast will likely slightlyminimize and "soften" the changes caused by going to A4, but the changes will still be there.
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