SD Black Back Pickups..i need all the infos avaiable!

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Ed roman is a full blown ass. Being a CC set wouldnt suprise me. Might try em thi, just to see.
 
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Ed said:
Seymour Duncan actually manufactures the pickups in their custom shop. The technology is owned by several different parties and it is almost impossible to patent. The R&D costs alone to try to get a patent for this product would be astronomical. The patent would also have to extend to the mounting system and wiring in the guitar. The possibilities are quite broad. Therefore anyone who is involved in the project is sworn to secrecy and has to sign a non disclosure agreement.

The original product was named Black/Back ND. ND meant non disclosure. However many people thought that ND stood for the Neo Dimium magnet which is a rare earth magnetic element. Neo Dimium is a more expensive magnet than Aluminum Nickel Cobalt (Alnico) and of course much more costly than standard ceramic magnets. Many people have heard of the Electrovoice "NDYM" Microphones "Pronounced endime". These Microphones came out in the early 90's and literally blew the Shure SM 57 and 58 out of the water. Today many speaker companies are also using Neo Dimium technology when they want much more powerful magnets.

These pickups are slightly more expensive than the usual Duncan pickups. Although we have been told numerous times that our price of $89.95 each is much lower than they would have expected to pay. We have also been told that people have paid that much for the normal Duncan pickups.

On the discontinued Ernie Ball, Eddie Van Halen guitars the lower brass assembly and back were painted black. This is where the name Black/Back TM came from. New Technologies has simply trademarked the black painted backs in an effort to try to lock out competition.

I realize of course that tone and sound are objective. I also know that these pickups aren't for everybody. But I feel they are the most powerful, clean and controllable pickups I have ever used. Originally they were designed for the LSR line of guitars back in 1997 and today there are about 14 companies that use them.

Seymour Duncan was not the first company to produce the Black/Back pickups for New Tech. But Seymour Duncan was the company that helped them perfect it.

The Black/Backs are a matched set, You can use them separately of course but they are a matched set. One is specifically for the bridge position while the other one is made for the neck position.

You should never mount a single coil pickup in between them. Magnetism from the center magnet will alter the tone in a bad way.

more coming STAY TUNED

That's all Ed has to say
 
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I have heard about Ed Roman ( a.k.a. the Les Vegas Leprechaun = stores in CT and Vegas) doing this before. He actually does modify them, but if he does not have the correct ones to mod, he will paint a CC plate black and ship it out. I know this as a FACT!!!! He is a scam artist to BEWARE OF. If you have ever ventured out to Vegas, or are fortunate enough to live close by, you might have ventured into his store. It is the store where the guitars are marked up 5 times in value, and you almost cannot try the guitar unless you buy it first. Also trying to get some assistance in that place is a friggin' joke. Ed Roman believes that since he has rubbed shoulders with a few greats in his time, that we should support him for the rest of his life by purchasing his crap at over inflated prices. This is not heresay, I have had the displeasure of dealing with him on several occassions ( professionally and casually), and everything mentioned above is cold hard truth!!!!



Sorry to go off topic here, but just a fair warning to all since his name was mentioned



DO NOT THROW YOUR MONEY AWAY BY DEALING WITH HIM!!!!!


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Re: SD Black Back Pickups..i need all the infos avaiable!

Ed Roman mi ricorda un elemento della politica italiana XD
Mah, sti blackbacks non sono nulla di che, sono custom 5 con qualche fronzolino in più.. niente di che... E dal momenmto che Ed Roman probabilmente pensa che sarebbe stato capace di creare la terra meglio di Dio... (ammesso che esista). Mah...
Veniamo agli Invader ^_^
Sono carini questi cucciolotti ^_^ In distorsione sono pieni, MOLTO definiti, leggermente metallici, nelle stratocaster sono la fine del mondo. In chitarre in mogano o tiglio non ce li vedo molto bene... Quell'idiota di Tom Delonge dei Blink 182 ne usava uno nelle sue stratocaster. Addirittura senza filtrarlo col tono. Perfetto, secondo me è una bomba. Comunque non è particolarmente versatile. Da un suono molto master of puppets, adatto al metal o al punk. Tuttavia si possono domare con i vari controlli dell'ampli.
Tanti bassi, tanti medi, pochi acuti, ma abbastanza per bucare il mix. Armoniche accettabili.
I puliti... se ti piacciono metallici e "croccanti" allora va bene =)
 
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I've had no dealings with Ed Roman but I did play a custom built guitar with Black Back pickups and was very impressed. The tone was clear, balanced, and sweet in both humbucking and single coil settings.
 
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I am of the opinion, and I do not work for the SD Company, so this is only my opinion. But, my guess is this is all marketing. Take a stock pup, paint the plate black and hype it up. Just my guess. YMMV.
 
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litchfield said:
Can someone please translate?
here ya go

all the italians on here who have used their own language to post said:
Since six Italian, I will use our wonderful language ^ _ ^ the Black Backs is one of the more controversial arguments of the history of the pickups. Yes, our friends Americans say well. are substantially of the custom custom, in alternative could think them like "59 on steroids", but creed that of it the pain is not worth. Also why if you want to use them with the single coil you would have large problems of magnetism... Insomma, if it appeals to the sound to you of the black backs, tries custom custom ^ _ ^ Spero to you is useful!

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Thanks to invade I will say to You... boh,era for curiosity... And Roman paints all coem if were is roba esosa!Fa the guitars fighe only it, has roba figa only he, knows to settare all good with best roba existing only he and via talking. Hihi listens to na what, but I am To invade is true that they are so powerful and they ruin harmonic and robe of the sort? (I also rifare the Americans!) Guys, is "To invade pickups has got too much gain, and that compromised the sound" true? Cmq I have the fixed one of the duncan custom even if I have not never tried it:o PS Sin that has English in cancrena, I would have managed a po' better


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Ed Roman mi ricorda un elemento della politica italiana XD
Mah, sti blackbacks non sono nulla di che, sono custom 5 con qualche fronzolino in più.. niente di che... E dal momenmto che Ed Roman probabilmente pensa che sarebbe stato capace di creare la terra meglio di Dio... (ammesso che esista). Mah...
Veniamo agli Invader ^_^
Sono carini questi cucciolotti ^_^ In distorsione sono pieni, MOLTO definiti, leggermente metallici, nelle stratocaster sono la fine del mondo. In chitarre in mogano o tiglio non ce li vedo molto bene... Quell'idiota di Tom Delonge dei Blink 182 ne usava uno nelle sue stratocaster. Addirittura senza filtrarlo col tono. Perfetto, secondo me è una bomba. Comunque non è particolarmente versatile. Da un suono molto master of puppets, adatto al metal o al punk. Tuttavia si possono domare con i vari controlli dell'ampli.
Tanti bassi, tanti medi, pochi acuti, ma abbastanza per bucare il mix. Armoniche accettabili.
I puliti... se ti piacciono metallici e "croccanti" allora va bene =)

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I used this website for all translations.

:bsflag: Sounds like a big pile of bullsh!t to me :bsflag:
 
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Guys who've personally had experiences are one thing, but reading internet BS and taking it as gospel is another. I have bought from Ed an will again. He shot straight with me about everything. When my friend was in his store everyone was incredibly friendly.

Luke
 
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TheProphet said:
Non disclosure means that Seymour Duncan (the business) has pretty much signed a statement not to give out any information about these pickups. So I believe Ed Roman could take legal action against SD if they did release such info.

As far as I know, you can only buy Blackback pickups from Ed Roman

And there you have it. Any information SD (OR Ed Roman, most NDA´s work both ways) gave about the pickups specs would be grounds for a lawsuit. And these pickups are ONLY available from LSR guitars /Ed Roman.

Decide for yourself if you want to spend that kind of cash on a pickup that´s being described vaguely by a man who you´ve never met, who also happens to be the only place worldwide to acquire these Pickups (new). I for my part prefer not to, I don´t usually gamble ;)
 
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OUTLAW1969 said:
I have heard about Ed Roman ( a.k.a. the Les Vegas Leprechaun = stores in CT and Vegas) doing this before. He actually does modify them, but if he does not have the correct ones to mod, he will paint a CC plate black and ship it out. I know this as a FACT!!!!

You´ve been to his workshop and seen him do this, with your own eyes? Or you worked for him?? I´m just curious, as most luthiers (and esp. a scam artist) would NEVER let anyone see them do something like that, because it would destroy the business, SD could even sue him for that if it were true.....

I DO know for a fact about some of his counterfeits, notably BCRIch´s (´70s USA Ironbird w/maple top, ROFLMAO!!!! Even Neal moser loves to laugh about that one)) and PRS´s, and I don´t doubt that he WOULD just paint a CC black. Not one bit do I doubt it.

But stating that he DOES without presenting hard proof could actually get YOU into trouble. If you can´t prove that statement beyond doubt (PHoto, not "his word against mine"), that constitutes libel, a criminal act punishable by fine and/or imprisonment, because in this case it´s VERY obvious that the intent behind it is to damage his reputation and business. And the Internet is far less anonymous that most people think, i think the RIAA is doing a great job of proving that. Seriously, I kid you not, if I were to read something like that about my shop, true or not, and know that it´s impossible for you to prove, my lawyers would have a field day, and you´d have a lawsuit to get out of. Ed´s are far more aggressive, sometimes it helps to tread a bit lighter :rolleyes:

He is a scam artist to BEWARE OF. If you have ever ventured out to Vegas, or are fortunate enough to live close by, you might have ventured into his store.
As you surely know, there is NO "venturing into the store", it´s either locked or he´s expecting you because you have an appointment. ;)

It is the store where the guitars are marked up 5 times in value, and you almost cannot try the guitar unless you buy it first.Also trying to get some assistance in that place is a friggin' joke.

For the most part true, even if somewhat exaggerated (double price is more like it, at least when I was in there last Spring)

Ed Roman believes that since he has rubbed shoulders with a few greats in his time, that we should support him for the rest of his life by purchasing his crap at over inflated prices.

NO, he just knows which customers he can live off easily and comfortably, and prefers those. JUST LIKE EVERY BUSINESSMAN. Rockstars and Vegas Highrollers are his calling, not normal players. And to be honest, If I had had my shop in Vegas, I´d probably run it quite similar, because the idea is to keep the scum and deadbeats OUT, not invite them IN to potentially destroy 2.5M$ worth of inventory that they´ll never buy anyway.... :yell:

I understand your feelings fine, I´ve dealt w/ Ed before and likely wouldn´t again. I´m not here to defend him, If you don´t like him, that´s your business, and I´m the last person that would try to change that....

But SD has also been VERY clear that they will NOT stand for bashing of Ed as long as he´s a dealer in good standing and is not here to defend himself. A little respect towards this, at least with regard to accusations (as challenged above) that neither you nor anyone else can confirm nor prove, is I think in order. Again, I´m far from an ER fan, but I AM a member of the SD forum, bound to the rules the Seymour Duncan Company sets. And Evan has made VERY clear ( last time IIRC im June) how the topic of dealers and Ed Roman in particular should be handled....

I´m not trying to lay into you, I´m truly sorry if it comes off that way. But I DO think you´re seeing it quite one-sidedly (and maybe going off a BIT too hard), and I think I can help you to see the other side ;)

Peace
 
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not any expirence with duncan black backs, several years ago he had dimarzio black backs. I have one, great pickup!. They wired it wrong in the strat they sold me. Called Steve at Dimarzio. Tried to figure out what wires to switch. Found out it was a Air Zone. Sounds really great though. Ed Roman? lol!
 
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DWVINKY said:
Ed Roman has a very seedy reputation and is considered a con artist by many. I've personally never dealt with him, but I know of several who have and I've never heard anything good. He is known to make very accurate forgeries of guitars and he then tries to pass them off as originals. Also i've heard his customer relation skills leave a lot to be desired. If you want info on the pickups, thats cool, but stay very far away from Ed Roman. :)

Amen -- you would do well to stay far, FAR away from the Roman Empire...
 
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I saw a set of these on eBay for $100 used. That is actually a pretty good deal for two SD pickups no matter what they are. If they ARE Custom Customs with black baseplates, shame on Seymour for cooperating with such a scam. However, I doubt it is that simple. Just because it sounds like a CC, doesn't mean it is. How in the world could somebody know for sure? How do you know exactly what magnet is in it? Do magnets say, "A2" or "A5" on them?
 
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I have what MAY be a pair. Cant read the sticker oh the trembucker, but the other one reads 59 BJ.

$20 on Craigslist for the pair.
I have them in bridge position in separate guitars for now. Just started playing with them.
 
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