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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Would you need a 4-way bypass? Couldn't you do it with just a 2-way toggle?
Would you need a 4-way bypass? Couldn't you do it with just a 2-way toggle?
IanBallard
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Well, I think you have to hook all 4 conductors up separately to the preamp, because of how it works, evening the response of both coils uniformly. In order to bypass the preamp, you would have to separately wire an extra set of wires to a ... 4-POLE switch (sorry for the mis type in my previous message), at least, that's what Evan said in the thread pertaining to the new preamp.\
Of course, you could have a full passive in the neck and use the bridge as an active and just have a separate volume for that, or use a three-way switch as a master control to switch from the passive pickup to the active one... or maybe I'm talking out of my butt.
Well, I think you have to hook all 4 conductors up separately to the preamp, because of how it works, evening the response of both coils uniformly. In order to bypass the preamp, you would have to separately wire an extra set of wires to a ... 4-POLE switch (sorry for the mis type in my previous message), at least, that's what Evan said in the thread pertaining to the new preamp.\
Of course, you could have a full passive in the neck and use the bridge as an active and just have a separate volume for that, or use a three-way switch as a master control to switch from the passive pickup to the active one... or maybe I'm talking out of my butt.
misterwhizzy
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I like your metaphor, but I don't think your explicit statement is explicit enough. The dollar makes sense in a couple different contexts. First of all, in terms of what you can buy for a dollar. If that's what you mean, you're talking about the rate of inflation. I don't know what that's done this year.
However, when you're talking about it as an index against other currencies, it's basically unchanged this year. (And I'm using the CME dollar index futures as a source here.) We could talk about versus the Yen, the Euro, or whatever, but against the predefined basket, it's not being pounded at all.
I like your metaphor, but I don't think your explicit statement is explicit enough. The dollar makes sense in a couple different contexts. First of all, in terms of what you can buy for a dollar. If that's what you mean, you're talking about the rate of inflation. I don't know what that's done this year.
However, when you're talking about it as an index against other currencies, it's basically unchanged this year. (And I'm using the CME dollar index futures as a source here.) We could talk about versus the Yen, the Euro, or whatever, but against the predefined basket, it's not being pounded at all.
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Actually, the preamp is said to dominate the sound, Frank Falbo said it was around 70% the preamp, 30% the pickup. That may not be precise.
I was of course joking. I suspect ceramic zephyrs would be disturbingly bright, and I am not sure the blackout preamp would help that any.
I was also attempting to provoke a reply from someone at Seymour Duncan (particularly Frank Falbo) that might reveal more of what the pickup sounds like, how much radical pickup design changes impact the claimed BP-1/pickup tone balance, what magnets they're using in the Zephyrs or just another "gotta try that"...
Actually, the preamp is said to dominate the sound, Frank Falbo said it was around 70% the preamp, 30% the pickup. That may not be precise.
I was of course joking. I suspect ceramic zephyrs would be disturbingly bright, and I am not sure the blackout preamp would help that any.
I was also attempting to provoke a reply from someone at Seymour Duncan (particularly Frank Falbo) that might reveal more of what the pickup sounds like, how much radical pickup design changes impact the claimed BP-1/pickup tone balance, what magnets they're using in the Zephyrs or just another "gotta try that"...
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WGTP
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If you will go over to Sterophile Magazine and read a little you will find there are many well respected individuals that think these "improvement" are legitimate and can be repeatedly observed thru high end audio equipment. Very expensive silver cables, cryo tubes, etc. are not uncommon. I doubt my vintage ears can hear much difference. I also question whether the difference can be heard when running your guitar thru a maxed out tube amp, or $50 distortion pedal. Clean thru a good amp maybe, but lets not mistake high end audio for Rock and Roll amps. The early Fenders, Marshals, etc. were not made with the best parts and didn't have very good audio spec.s. Not that I wouldn't love a set of these, or the Antiquity JB.
On second thought, Seymour hasn't BS'ed us like most manufacturers over the years, so there is probably more to it than a marketing gimmick. But is it worth the cost??? Is the difference between a Zephr JB and a regular one as noticeable as between a regular JB and a Custom? Do the Zephr mods change the spec.s like resonance freq and resistance? It will be interesting to see which wealthy pros use them.
If you will go over to Sterophile Magazine and read a little you will find there are many well respected individuals that think these "improvement" are legitimate and can be repeatedly observed thru high end audio equipment. Very expensive silver cables, cryo tubes, etc. are not uncommon. I doubt my vintage ears can hear much difference. I also question whether the difference can be heard when running your guitar thru a maxed out tube amp, or $50 distortion pedal. Clean thru a good amp maybe, but lets not mistake high end audio for Rock and Roll amps. The early Fenders, Marshals, etc. were not made with the best parts and didn't have very good audio spec.s. Not that I wouldn't love a set of these, or the Antiquity JB.
On second thought, Seymour hasn't BS'ed us like most manufacturers over the years, so there is probably more to it than a marketing gimmick. But is it worth the cost??? Is the difference between a Zephr JB and a regular one as noticeable as between a regular JB and a Custom? Do the Zephr mods change the spec.s like resonance freq and resistance? It will be interesting to see which wealthy pros use them.
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IanBallard
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Everything, at least for now, is pyramided on the Dollar. This is why, for example, oil prices are cheapest in America, in addition to many other major commodities. I'm pretty sure Seymour Duncan deals in dollars, be it wholesale materials or labor. Other currencies simply don't matter if you live in America and own a business in America producing goods. That was my point of bringing up silver prices relative to the dollar. Again, IF the price of silver remains stable, the cost ratio of production volume and buying in bulk based on increased demand is applicable. But if your primary source of pickup wire goes vastly upward in price, that all goes out the window.
Everything, at least for now, is pyramided on the Dollar. This is why, for example, oil prices are cheapest in America, in addition to many other major commodities. I'm pretty sure Seymour Duncan deals in dollars, be it wholesale materials or labor. Other currencies simply don't matter if you live in America and own a business in America producing goods. That was my point of bringing up silver prices relative to the dollar. Again, IF the price of silver remains stable, the cost ratio of production volume and buying in bulk based on increased demand is applicable. But if your primary source of pickup wire goes vastly upward in price, that all goes out the window.
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Silver audio cables can make a difference for analog signals, but for speaker cable all it does is make your speakers very slightly more efficient.
Expanded frequency response isn't always desirable, for example search for comments about piezo quack, ceramic bite, or blade pickup high frequencies...
Still, silver wire in magnetic coils is likely to have much more impact than anywhere else in a guitar system outside of long cable runs.
Pickup differences can be heard through tube amps and distortion pedals, so I'd expect this to be audible as well.If you will go over to Sterophile Magazine and read a little you will find there are many well respected individuals that think these "improvement" are legitimate and can be repeatedly observed thru high end audio equipment. Very expensive silver cables, cryo tubes, etc. are not uncommon. I doubt my vintage ears can hear much difference. I also question whether the difference can be heard when running your guitar thru a maxed out tube amp, or $50 distortion pedal. Clean thru a good amp maybe, but lets not mistake high end audio for Rock and Roll amps. The early Fenders, Marshals, etc. were not made with the best parts and didn't have very good audio spec.s. Not that I wouldn't love a set of these, or the Antiquity JB.
Silver audio cables can make a difference for analog signals, but for speaker cable all it does is make your speakers very slightly more efficient.
Expanded frequency response isn't always desirable, for example search for comments about piezo quack, ceramic bite, or blade pickup high frequencies...
Still, silver wire in magnetic coils is likely to have much more impact than anywhere else in a guitar system outside of long cable runs.
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CountFunkula
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Who winds those pickups?
And guys, what is a "low q material"?
Who winds those pickups?
And guys, what is a "low q material"?
MesaDCLP
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
*2111
Gold Winding
Carbon Fiber Bobbins
Mercury filled ceramic magnets
28,000 wraps per bobbin to give you that ancient vintage sound.
**available in the HP series (thinner core wrapped 10x over ancient vintage): High power for the Carbon tone with a passive design!!!
*2111
Gold Winding
Carbon Fiber Bobbins
Mercury filled ceramic magnets
28,000 wraps per bobbin to give you that ancient vintage sound.
**available in the HP series (thinner core wrapped 10x over ancient vintage): High power for the Carbon tone with a passive design!!!
IanBallard
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
I'm starting to think this is a joke and Evan is in on it. Either that, or it's a misdirection to the other major competitors. They might actually end up being $200 a piece or something. I dunno.
I'm starting to think this is a joke and Evan is in on it. Either that, or it's a misdirection to the other major competitors. They might actually end up being $200 a piece or something. I dunno.
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
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Thats Fabulous.Magnificent really. Congrats to Duncan and Crew! This is the greatetst thing Ive heard of in the herd of pickup design. The Marriage of hi fidelity and pickup design.
The point isnt whether it will sound identical to a vintage Lover, nor whether it is affordable to the general public. The point is its been accomplished and its a revolutionary idea whose time has come!
Ive been getting some nice esoteric hi resolution cables and rewiring soem of my cabs with modern wire and doing some h stuff like sound insulating some cabinets and implementing Neo magnet speakers and other progressive and sound enhancing measures and these pickups are a HUGE step in the right direction . Not only did Duncan sail over the edge of the pickup world, he proved it idn't flat!!!
I might have liked to see Ti as the baseplate medal, but thats merely speculative.
Onl;y question remains is waht pickup would be best for me in this series. Hmm, I'm thinking Duncan Custom!
It might be of some help to note that everything down the chain should be also modified for best effect I think, casue if even one thing in the signal chain is of poor quality, it marginally diminishes the returns you'll see from these astonishing pickups.
Thats Fabulous.Magnificent really. Congrats to Duncan and Crew! This is the greatetst thing Ive heard of in the herd of pickup design. The Marriage of hi fidelity and pickup design.
The point isnt whether it will sound identical to a vintage Lover, nor whether it is affordable to the general public. The point is its been accomplished and its a revolutionary idea whose time has come!
Ive been getting some nice esoteric hi resolution cables and rewiring soem of my cabs with modern wire and doing some h stuff like sound insulating some cabinets and implementing Neo magnet speakers and other progressive and sound enhancing measures and these pickups are a HUGE step in the right direction . Not only did Duncan sail over the edge of the pickup world, he proved it idn't flat!!!
I might have liked to see Ti as the baseplate medal, but thats merely speculative.
Onl;y question remains is waht pickup would be best for me in this series. Hmm, I'm thinking Duncan Custom!
It might be of some help to note that everything down the chain should be also modified for best effect I think, casue if even one thing in the signal chain is of poor quality, it marginally diminishes the returns you'll see from these astonishing pickups.
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IanBallard
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
I don't think anybody here is arguing that they aren't a step forward and would sound amazing. I'm sure they are incredible.
I don't think anybody here is arguing that they aren't a step forward and would sound amazing. I'm sure they are incredible.
Sruffie777
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I think they ship them in a case made out of unobtainium! :bling:
I think they ship them in a case made out of unobtainium! :bling:
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MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Like any other high end product, be it high tech bicycles or autos, or computers, the extra 10% of your leading edge improvements will cost you 90% more than the the next step down.
But is it worth the cost??? Is the difference between a Zephr JB and a regular one as noticeable as between a regular JB and a Custom? Do the Zephr mods change the spec.s like resonance freq and resistance? It will be interesting to see which wealthy pros use them.
Like any other high end product, be it high tech bicycles or autos, or computers, the extra 10% of your leading edge improvements will cost you 90% more than the the next step down.
Luke Duke
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Frank, I know it's not you specifically but every year for about the last 5 years SD has used NAMM as a a 2 week pass to have terrible service and not even proof read their own postings. This is evidenced by the threads all saying the same thing around NAMM time EVERY year.
It's getting old man, it's not like NAMM sneaks up on anybody.
"OOPS, there it is again, I didn't know it was coming this year!" isn't valid, we both know that.
RE: the original topic........I think SD is in left field and in danger of losing their core supporters, the Zephyr is proof of this.
RE: the thread title...I guess it can be said I'm trolling now.
Carry on.
Frank, I know it's not you specifically but every year for about the last 5 years SD has used NAMM as a a 2 week pass to have terrible service and not even proof read their own postings. This is evidenced by the threads all saying the same thing around NAMM time EVERY year.
It's getting old man, it's not like NAMM sneaks up on anybody.
"OOPS, there it is again, I didn't know it was coming this year!" isn't valid, we both know that.
RE: the original topic........I think SD is in left field and in danger of losing their core supporters, the Zephyr is proof of this.
RE: the thread title...I guess it can be said I'm trolling now.
Carry on.
GoldenVulture
Braindeadologist
Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
Not when it's on the home/front page, being premiered at NAMM and being presented in Guitar Mags. Looks more like an advertising campaign to me.:cool2:
New for 2011
- http://www.seymourduncan.com/newproducts/ -
Not when it's on the home/front page, being premiered at NAMM and being presented in Guitar Mags. Looks more like an advertising campaign to me.:cool2:
New for 2011
- http://www.seymourduncan.com/newproducts/ -
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IanBallard
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Re: Seymour Duncan be trollin hard
I definitely like the idea of these options being available a la carté. Makes me wonder what a hybrid with ONE silver coil and one regular coil might be like. Have I just opened up a can 'o worms or what?
I definitely like the idea of these options being available a la carté. Makes me wonder what a hybrid with ONE silver coil and one regular coil might be like. Have I just opened up a can 'o worms or what?
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Huh, I thought I'd already mentioned that idea here. Dual Resonance is one obvious area I could see it making a really useful difference. Exact number of turns for noise rejection, yet different frequency curves. Without even needing to change the wire gauge.
Other one I wonder about that I can't remember if I mentioned here is stacks. A lot of people dismiss them for losing high frequencies of a real single coil. So how about a boost in brightness and power without changing coil geometry?
Huh, I thought I'd already mentioned that idea here. Dual Resonance is one obvious area I could see it making a really useful difference. Exact number of turns for noise rejection, yet different frequency curves. Without even needing to change the wire gauge.
Other one I wonder about that I can't remember if I mentioned here is stacks. A lot of people dismiss them for losing high frequencies of a real single coil. So how about a boost in brightness and power without changing coil geometry?
J Moose
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I got (as I'm sure a bunch of people did) an email blast with the typical NAMM show announcements from SD this afternoon and it had Yngwie's name spelled wrong in several places... among other things.
Called him 'YngVie'
I really have no opinion on these magic pickups... having been through a bunch of audiophile level shootouts on things like $500 a foot speaker cable... well, I don't really buy into any of that stuff on any level.
I got (as I'm sure a bunch of people did) an email blast with the typical NAMM show announcements from SD this afternoon and it had Yngwie's name spelled wrong in several places... among other things.
Called him 'YngVie'
I really have no opinion on these magic pickups... having been through a bunch of audiophile level shootouts on things like $500 a foot speaker cable... well, I don't really buy into any of that stuff on any level.
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