Seymour Duncan mV Data

[SAVAGE DISTORTION]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

That list is really surprising. Full Shred has more output than Distortion and Invader. 59 has more output than Screamin Demon and Custom Custom. The standard Perpetual Burn has a lot more output than the trembucker version.
It's very strange. I think some of the data might be wrong.

yeah i agree and not only that but did you notice the PB has less output than a 59?

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Maybe I can help.

First, a millivolt reading shouldn't really care about the frequency. It's like an 11 lb rock vs. 11 lbs of sand. What does need to be accounted for is the loading and frequency response going in. If the signal was x-pass filtered above or below a certain point, it could trick the reading I suppose, but that's probably not the case. Just for example, say you LPF @ 12khz because you believe "nothing important is going on there" but above 12khz can completely affect the amount of "sizzle" in your overdrive, therefore giving a much greater sense of saturation. A pickup with a higher resonant peak has more info up there. (Again I'm not suggesting they did that, just making the observation)

Scott the real question you'll need to have answered by engineering (which does dovetail into the points Drex is making) is the input impedance.

Most of these machines:
http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5989-7819EN.pdf
have a 50k input impedance. Does everybody get that? If the pickup is straight in to the machine with BNC connectors and clips, as Scott says, then (unless there's a 1Meg input) all of these pickups are seeing a 50k load. This actually has the opposite effect of what you guys are theorizing. Instead of the mV reading being thrown by a tall resonant peak, all the resonant peaks would be flattened to the point that they don't really sound "as different" to one another. The best data, in my experience is for the pickups to see something like a 250k load or higher. With this test equipment I believe that would require a buffered preamp, even the Pickup Booster, anything that rails above the highest possible pickup signal.

If all of these pickup tests were done into a 50k load, guys that's like having a 50k volume pot (or 2x100k) on your guitar. If that's the case then this discussion, which so far has been centered around how different resonant peaks could account for perceived volume, is kind of the opposite, because the peaks have been severely flattened.

Perhaps more significant is that it would skew the delta between all the actives and all the passives. All the actives would be fine into 50k, their amplitude not being squashed, while the passives would be at a disadvantage.

As for the frequency content of the strum, I believe Dimarzio states they use either 1 string tuned to A, or an A chord. (I could be wrong) if it were 1 string, I could see the mismatch. If it's an entire chord, but it's an A, then pickups with resonant peaks that are multiples of A could theoretically read higher. Not because the millivolts care about frequency, but because you've hit the pickups strongest input acceptance. The way Duncan is doing it would be better because although not intentionally randomized (there are still 2 E's and an A) it's better than a chord.

Dimarzio also (I believe) listens to a longer segment, further away from the initial attack (more RMS, less peak) as someone who tests pickups, if I were to use an old strum tester I would want to see from at least 100ms out, to 500ms. Reading between 50ms and 100ms is like picking 64th notes. It doesn't render the reading useless, it's just you have to know "this is how loud it is when I pick it, not as a chord decays" and the reason that's important is because different magnetic circuits will sustain differently, but also when they start comparing it to Strat pickups with Alnico poles, the attack/decay ratio is much different. So on paper a single coil could look similar in output to a humbucker but for normal chords they're more different.

Hope this helps, I haven't even really scratched the surface of how to interpret the data but we need the input impedance/load before we can make sense of it.

what is the purpose of the 50k load on a test like this?

 

[JHN]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

This list unfortunately is for the time being,no valid indication as to what perceived loudness can be expected among the Duncan range.Since it started,we expect it will get to a point that it will indeed provide usefull information.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

This list unfortunately is for the time being,no valid indication as to what perceived loudness can be expected among the Duncan range.Since it started,we expect it will get to a point that it will indeed provide usefull information.

It is useful... you can compare outputs between the different duncan pickups. Since everyone's ears are a bit different I highly doubt that you will see a chart based on perceived loudness.

 

[idsnowdog]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

This list unfortunately is for the time being,no valid indication as to what perceived loudness can be expected among the Duncan range.Since it started,we expect it will get to a point that it will indeed provide usefull information.

Really? A concrete measure of perceived loudness.

 

[OsvyRock]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Good afternoon forum friends, as many of you know we are deep in the midst of a website design (and yes for those of you rolling your eyes, it has been an extraordinarily long journey as we completely re-design, record and sample our many, many pickups). I wanted to give you guys a peak at some upcoming mV data. You all know the limitations of using DC resistance as an indicator of output, a much better indicator is mV. We've devised a precise and repeatable method for testing pickup output which we believe corresponds closely to actual playing. We start with a Telecaster that has an oversized cavity routed to allow easy pickup installation. The guitar is carefully tuned to standard tuning (consistent tuning is important). We add a custom machined, mechanical, spring loaded strum arm with a tempered, .004” thick spring steel pick. We install the pickup, setting the distance from the top of the pickup to the string to .093” +/- .010” (consistent set-up is essential). We then load and release the strum arm, capturing the result on a digital storage oscilloscope. We perform this process 5 times for a 3 pickup sample lot and average the results. This is repeated for every model we make.

I'm happy to be able to share some of this data with you today. I appreciate you guys being cool and patient with us as we work to give you all the tools you could ever want to make the best selection.

mV:

SH-55n Seth Lover Model Nkl 399
SH-55b Seth Lover Model Nkl 399
SH-2n Jazz Model 501
SH-2b Jazz Model 571
SH-3 Stag Mag 389
SH-4 JB Model 737
SH-5 Duncan Custom 784
7Str Distortion Brg, Amt, Soapbar 792
8Str Distortion Brg, Amt, Soapbar 792
SH-6b Duncan Distortion 792
7Str Distortion Brg Pmt 792
8Str Distortion Brg Pmt 792
7Str Distortion Nk,Amt, Soapbar 732
8Str Distortion Nk,Amt, Soapbar 732
SH-6n Duncan Distortion 732
7Str Distortion Nk,Pmt 732
8Str Distortion Nk,Pmt 732
SH-8SGn Synyster Gates,&Chr,Neck 491
SH-8SGb Synyster Gates,&Chr,Brdg 813
SH-8n Invader 491
7Str Invader Nk, Pmt 491
8Str Invader Nk, Pmt 491
7Str Invader Brg, Amt, Soapbar 813
8Str Invader Brg, Amt, Soapbar 813
SH-8b Invader 813
7Str Invader Brg, Pmt 813
8Str Invader Brg, Pmt 813
SM-2n Custom Mini-Humbkr 216
SM-2b Custom Mini-Humbkr 327
SM-3n Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 330
SM-3b Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 354
SH-PG1n Pearly Gates 513
SH-PG1b Pearly Gates 543
SH-10n Full Shred 709
SH-10b Full Shred 724
SH-11 Custom Custom 574
PA-TB1b Original Parallel Axis 749
PA-TB1n Original Parallel Axis 515
PA-TB2b Distortion Parallel Axis 741
PA-STK1n Parallel Axis Stack 291
PA-TB3b Blues Saraceno Model 694
SH-12 Screamin' Demon 500
SH-13 Dimebucker 1160
SH-14 Custom 5 Black 646
SH-15 Alternative 8 Black 761
SH-16 59/Custom Hybrid, 625
SH-18b Whole Lotta HB bridge 440
SH-18n Whole Lotta HB Neck 382
Black Winter, HB Neck 744
Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
7Str Black Winter, HB Neck 744
7Str Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
8Str Black Winter, HB Neck 744
8Str Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
6Str Pegasus Brg. 555
7Str Pegasus Brg, Amt, Soapbar 555
8Str Pegasus Brg, Amt, Soapbar 555
7Str Pegasus Brg, Pmt 555
8Str Pegasus Brg, Pmt 555
6Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
7Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
8Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
7Str Nazgûl Brg, Pmt 666
8Str Nazgûl Brg, Pmt 666
6Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499
7Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499
8Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499
7Str Sentient Neck, Pmt 499
8Str Sentient Neck, Pmt 499
Jason Becker - bridge Black 582
TB-59 '59 Trembucker 593
TB-4 JB Trembucker 737
TB-5 Duncan Custom Trembkr 784
TB-6 Duncan Distortion Trmbkr 792
TB-8SGb Synyster Gates,&Chr,Brdg 813
TB-PG1b Pearly Gates Trembkr 543
TB-APH1B Alnc II Trembucker 499
TB-10 Full Shred Trembucker 724
TB-11 Custom Custom Trembkr 574
TB-12 Screamin' Demon Trembkr 500
TB-14 Custom 5 Trembkr Black 646
TB-15 Alternative 8 Trembkr Black 651
TB-16 59/Custom Hybrid, 625
Black Winter, TB Bridge 763
Pegasus Trembucker, Bridge 555
Nazgul Trembucker, Bridge 666
Jason Becker - TB bridge Black 582
APH-1n Alnc II Pro Humbuckr 452
APH-1b Alnc II Pro Humbuckr 499
APH-2n Slash Alnc II Pro HB 475
APH-2b Slash Alnc II Pro HB 524
LW-CH2n,LiveWire II,Classic,HB 534
LW-CH2b,LiveWire II,Classic,HB 936
LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine,n 1080
LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine,b 1368
AHB-1n Blackouts, Neck 1283
AHB-1b Blackouts, Bridge 1598
AHB-1n Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 1, Nk 1283
AHB-1b Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 1, Br 1598
AHB-1n Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 2, Nk 1283
AHB-1b Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 2, Br 1598
AHB-2b Blackouts Metal HB 3648
AHB-1n Blackouts, 8strg, Neck 1283
AHB-1b Blackouts, 8strg, Bridge 1598
AHB-3n MickT Blackouts HB Neck Bk 1079
AHB-3b MickT Blackouts HB Bridge Bk 1419
AHB-3n Mick T Blackouts 7-Str Ph 1 1079
AHB-3b Mick T Blackouts 7-Str Ph 1 1419
AHB-3n Mick T Blackouts 7Str Ph 2 1079
AHB-3b Mick T Blackouts 7Str Ph 2 1419
AHB-10n Blackouts Coil Pack Nk 1829
AHB-10b Blackouts Coil Pack Brg 1870
AHB-11n Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Nk 1725
AHB-11b Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Brg 1784
SH-1n '59 Model 7-Strg 572
SH-1b '59 Model 7-Strg 593
SH-2n Jazz Model 7-Strg 501
SH-4 JB Model 7-Strg 737
SH-5 Duncan Custom 7-Strg 784
SH-10n Full Shred Neck 7-Str 709
SH-10b Full Shred Brg 7-Str 958
SH-14 Custom 5 7-Str 646

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I love the design of the new pickup wizard/selector. Pretty neat!

 

[JHN]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

English is not my native language,perhaps OUTPUT will agree more with you instead of perceived loudness.Seriously,I pity the guy who makes the assumption that Custom custom is the same output as the Jazz bridge and the Becker model(extremely close numbers) .I wouldn't consider it a finished thing for now.The new pickup wizard/selector seems nice though.

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Really? A concrete measure of perceived loudness.

That's actually hilarious. What's worse is its plausible. If someone wanted to geek out they could apply Fletcher-Munson data to each pickup's response curve. It's the same reason a Trumpet and a Tuba could each be played to the same dB level but the trumpet would sound quite a bit louder. But even that would only be important through a relatively clean amp. Once you start overdriving, saturation within the gain becomes more the measure of a pickup's real-world output.

Like I could adjust the pickup heights to calibrate that a Custom produces identical mV's as a JB in two equal guitars. But the JB will sound like its overdriving the amp harder, the pinch harmonics will be easier, because its louder in the important frequencies that are required for that result. Through a clean amp, its possible the Custom sounds louder because it's presenting a wider frequency response to the amp. It could sound "fuller" for example, make the speaker cone work harder, etc.

I'm not suggesting anyone do that. A straight mV reading is good enough so long as everyone knows how it's calibrated.

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

After a trip through Excel, here they are in order by output. I hope someone other than myself finds this helpful.

[TABLE="width: 652"]
[TR]
[TD]SM-2n Custom Mini-Humbkr 216
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-STK1n Parallel Axis Stack 291
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-2b Custom Mini-Humbkr 327
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-3n Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 330
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-3b Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 354
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-18n Whole Lotta HB Neck 382
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-3 Stag Mag 389
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-55n Seth Lover Model Nkl 399
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-55b Seth Lover Model Nkl 399
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-18b Whole Lotta HB bridge 440
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-1n Alnc II Pro Humbuckr 452
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-2n Slash Alnc II Pro HB 475
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8SGn Synyster Gates,&Chr,Neck 491
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8n Invader 491
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Invader Nk, Pmt 491
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Invader Nk, Pmt 491
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Sentient Neck, Pmt 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Sentient Neck, Pmt 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-APH1B Alnc II Trembucker 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-1b Alnc II Pro Humbuckr 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-12 Screamin' Demon 500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-12 Screamin' Demon Trembkr 500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-2n Jazz Model 501
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-2n Jazz Model 7-Strg 501
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-PG1n Pearly Gates 513
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB1n Original Parallel Axis 515
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-2b Slash Alnc II Pro HB 524
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-CH2n,LiveWire II,Classic,HB 534
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-PG1b Pearly Gates 543
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-PG1b Pearly Gates Trembkr 543
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6Str Pegasus Brg. 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Pegasus Brg, Amt, Soapbar 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Pegasus Brg, Amt, Soapbar 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Pegasus Brg, Pmt 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Pegasus Brg, Pmt 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pegasus Trembucker, Bridge 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-2b Jazz Model 571
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-1n '59 Model 7-Strg 572
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-11 Custom Custom 574
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-11 Custom Custom Trembkr 574
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Becker - bridge Black 582
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Becker - TB bridge Black 582
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-59 '59 Trembucker 593
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-1b '59 Model 7-Strg 593
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-16 59/Custom Hybrid, 625
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-16 59/Custom Hybrid, 625
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-14 Custom 5 Black 646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-14 Custom 5 Trembkr Black 646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-14 Custom 5 7-Str 646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-15 Alternative 8 Trembkr Black 651
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Nazgûl Brg, Pmt 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Nazgûl Brg, Pmt 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nazgul Trembucker, Bridge 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB3b Blues Saraceno Model 694
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10n Full Shred 709
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10n Full Shred Neck 7-Str 709
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10b Full Shred 724
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-10 Full Shred Trembucker 724
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Nk,Amt, Soapbar 732
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Nk,Amt, Soapbar 732
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-6n Duncan Distortion 732
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Nk,Pmt 732
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Nk,Pmt 732
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-4 JB Model 737
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-4 JB Trembucker 737
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-4 JB Model 7-Strg 737
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB2b Distortion Parallel Axis 741
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Winter, HB Neck 744
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Black Winter, HB Neck 744
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Black Winter, HB Neck 744
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB1b Original Parallel Axis 749
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-15 Alternative 8 Black 761
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Winter, TB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-5 Duncan Custom 784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-5 Duncan Custom Trembkr 784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-5 Duncan Custom 7-Strg 784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Brg, Amt, Soapbar 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Brg, Amt, Soapbar 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-6b Duncan Distortion 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Brg Pmt 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Brg Pmt 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-6 Duncan Distortion Trmbkr 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8SGb Synyster Gates,&Chr,Brdg 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Invader Brg, Amt, Soapbar 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Invader Brg, Amt, Soapbar 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8b Invader 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Invader Brg, Pmt 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Invader Brg, Pmt 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-8SGb Synyster Gates,&Chr,Brdg 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-CH2b,LiveWire II,Classic,HB 936
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10b Full Shred Brg 7-Str 958
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3n MickT Blackouts HB Neck Bk 1079
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3n Mick T Blackouts 7-Str Ph 1 1079
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3n Mick T Blackouts 7Str Ph 2 1079
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine,n 1080
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-13 Dimebucker 1160
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts, Neck 1283
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 1, Nk 1283
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 2, Nk 1283
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts, 8strg, Neck 1283
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine,b 1368
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3b MickT Blackouts HB Bridge Bk 1419
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3b Mick T Blackouts 7-Str Ph 1 1419
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3b Mick T Blackouts 7Str Ph 2 1419
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts, Bridge 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 1, Br 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 2, Br 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts, 8strg, Bridge 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-11n Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Nk 1725
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-11b Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Brg 1784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-10n Blackouts Coil Pack Nk 1829
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-10b Blackouts Coil Pack Brg 1870
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-2b Blackouts Metal HB 3648
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Neck pickups only (and a few bridge pickups that some people use for the neck position):

[TABLE="width: 652"]
[TR]
[TD]SM-2n Custom Mini-Humbkr 216[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-STK1n Parallel Axis Stack 291[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-3n Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 330[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-18n Whole Lotta HB Neck 382[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-3 Stag Mag 389[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-55n Seth Lover Model Nkl 399[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-1n Alnc II Pro Humbuckr 452[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-2n Slash Alnc II Pro HB 475[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8SGn Synyster Gates,&Chr,Neck 491[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8n Invader 491[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Invader Nk, Pmt 491[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Invader Nk, Pmt 491[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Sentient Neck, Amt, Soapbar 499[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Sentient Neck, Pmt 499[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Sentient Neck, Pmt 499[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-12 Screamin' Demon 500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-2n Jazz Model 501[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-2n Jazz Model 7-Strg 501[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-PG1n Pearly Gates 513[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB1n Original Parallel Axis 515[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-CH2n,LiveWire II,Classic,HB 534[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-1n '59 Model 7-Strg 572[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10n Full Shred 709[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10n Full Shred Neck 7-Str 709[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Nk,Amt, Soapbar 732[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Nk,Amt, Soapbar 732[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Nk,Pmt 732[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Nk,Pmt 732[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Winter, HB Neck 744[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Black Winter, HB Neck 744[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Black Winter, HB Neck 744[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3n MickT Blackouts HB Neck Bk 1079[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3n Mick T Blackouts 7-Str Ph 1 1079[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3n Mick T Blackouts 7Str Ph 2 1079[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine,n 1080[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts, Neck 1283[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 1, Nk 1283[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 2, Nk 1283[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1n Blackouts, 8strg, Neck 1283[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-11n Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Nk 1725[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-10n Blackouts Coil Pack Nk 1829[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Bridge pickups only:

[TABLE="width: 652"]
[TR]
[TD]SM-2b Custom Mini-Humbkr 327
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-3b Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 354
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-3 Stag Mag 389
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-55b Seth Lover Model Nkl 399
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-18b Whole Lotta HB bridge 440
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-APH1B Alnc II Trembucker 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-1b Alnc II Pro Humbuckr 499
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-12 Screamin' Demon 500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-12 Screamin' Demon Trembkr 500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]APH-2b Slash Alnc II Pro HB 524
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-PG1b Pearly Gates 543
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-PG1b Pearly Gates Trembkr 543
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6Str Pegasus Brg. 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Pegasus Brg, Amt, Soapbar 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Pegasus Brg, Amt, Soapbar 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Pegasus Brg, Pmt 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Pegasus Brg, Pmt 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pegasus Trembucker, Bridge 555
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-2b Jazz Model 571
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-11 Custom Custom 574
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-11 Custom Custom Trembkr 574
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Becker - bridge Black 582
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Becker - TB bridge Black 582
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-59 '59 Trembucker 593
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-1b '59 Model 7-Strg 593
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-16 59/Custom Hybrid, 625
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-16 59/Custom Hybrid, 625
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-14 Custom 5 Black 646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-14 Custom 5 Trembkr Black 646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-14 Custom 5 7-Str 646
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-15 Alternative 8 Trembkr Black 651
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Nazgûl Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Nazgûl Brg, Pmt 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Nazgûl Brg, Pmt 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nazgul Trembucker, Bridge 666
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB3b Blues Saraceno Model 694
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10b Full Shred 724
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-10 Full Shred Trembucker 724
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-4 JB Model 737
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-4 JB Trembucker 737
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-4 JB Model 7-Strg 737
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB2b Distortion Parallel Axis 741
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-TB1b Original Parallel Axis 749
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-15 Alternative 8 Black 761
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Black Winter, HB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Black Winter, TB Bridge 763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-5 Duncan Custom 784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-5 Duncan Custom Trembkr 784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-5 Duncan Custom 7-Strg 784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Brg, Amt, Soapbar 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Brg, Amt, Soapbar 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-6b Duncan Distortion 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Distortion Brg Pmt 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Distortion Brg Pmt 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-6 Duncan Distortion Trmbkr 792
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8SGb Synyster Gates,&Chr,Brdg 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Invader Brg, Amt, Soapbar 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Invader Brg, Amt, Soapbar 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-8b Invader 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7Str Invader Brg, Pmt 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8Str Invader Brg, Pmt 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TB-8SGb Synyster Gates,&Chr,Brdg 813
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-CH2b,LiveWire II,Classic,HB 936
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-10b Full Shred Brg 7-Str 958
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-13 Dimebucker 1160
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine,b 1368
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3b MickT Blackouts HB Bridge Bk 1419
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3b Mick T Blackouts 7-Str Ph 1 1419
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-3b Mick T Blackouts 7Str Ph 2 1419
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts, Bridge 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 1, Br 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts 7-Strg Phase 2, Br 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-1b Blackouts, 8strg, Bridge 1598
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-11b Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Brg 1784
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-10b Blackouts Coil Pack Brg 1870
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AHB-2b Blackouts Metal HB 3648
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Suck up. [emoji6]


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[idsnowdog]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

That's actually hilarious. What's worse is its plausible. If someone wanted to geek out they could apply Fletcher-Munson data to each pickup's response curve.

For my masters thesis I did a statistical survey of unicorn fart velocities.

 

[DreX]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

That list right there tells me more about what to expect from the pickups than does anything else that has ever been published about them. IME, output tells you way more about what to expect from a pickup with a certain amp than does resistance, resonant peak, B/M/T, etc. Output tells you what the pickup is going to do to your preamp, which has more to do with tone than anything else IME. Thank you; finally!

Specifically it tells you what kind of bass you're going to get out of a pickup. Here's a frequency alanlysis someone else did of a plucked guitar string

You can see that with plucked strings (as opposed to direction induction), most of the output in amplitude is around 200 Hz. You can use this to hear what 200 Hz sounds like http://onlinetonegenerator.com/, it's bass to low-mids.

As Frank Falbo already mentioned, there's the issue of loudness with respect the frequency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour .

So even though the 1kHz to 2 kHz range is a lot shorter in the amplitude graph, the perceived loudness chart shows that there is added emphasis in that frequency range, which would perceptively lift it up. That's not being accounted for if you're only addressing the overall outout amplitude.

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

To me, having this mV info that was posted by S.D. is really about being able to tell how hard each of these pickups is gonna hit an amp (relatively, within the S.D. line of pickups, of course). That has way more to do with how the pickup is going to sound in the end than do a lot of the specifications that get thrown around (i.e. resistance). In short, this chart tells me a rough idea of how compressed of a sound I am gonna get on any given amp, relative to other S.D. pickup. That is an incredibly useful comparison tool to have, and it doesn't require a bunch of super-technical analysis and understanding to appreciate it. It just takes an intuitive understanding of how your amp responds tonally and dynamically to changes in input.

 

[DreX]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

To me, this info is really about being able to tell how hard each of these pickups is gonna hit an amp

We're still talking about the same thing. Different frequencies will hit the amp harder than others, it's not as if the pickup is a single fist, punching the amp. If all you can about is how hard the low end hits the amp, then you're set, otherwise, not so much.

 

[darthphineas]

Seymour Duncan mV Data

what is the purpose of the 50k load on a test like this?

has there been an answer as to what the input load is for this test?

 

[LesStrat]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

Specifically it tells you what kind of bass you're going to get out of a pickup. Here's a frequency alanlysis someone else did of a plucked guitar string

You can see that with plucked strings (as opposed to direction induction), most of the output in amplitude is around 200 Hz. You can use this to hear what 200 Hz sounds like http://onlinetonegenerator.com/, it's bass to low-mids.

As Frank Falbo already mentioned, there's the issue of loudness with respect the frequency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour .

So even though the 1kHz to 2 kHz range is a lot shorter in the amplitude graph, the perceived loudness chart shows that there is added emphasis in that frequency range, which would perceptively lift it up. That's not being accounted for if you're only addressing the overall outout amplitude.

awesome info!

Clearly Itsabass is unwilling to except your genius.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

After a trip through Excel, here they are in order by output. I hope someone other than myself finds this helpful.

[TABLE="width: 652"]
[TR]
[TD]SM-2n Custom Mini-Humbkr 216
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PA-STK1n Parallel Axis Stack 291
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-2b Custom Mini-Humbkr 327
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-3n Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 330
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SM-3b Seymourized Mini-Humbkr 354
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SH-18n Whole Lotta HB Neck 382
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

If Whole Lottas output is down around the mini-hums in my Firebird, then it's helped me to not trust internet graphs and charts.

 

[Diminished Triad]

Re: Seymour Duncan mV Data

AHB-10b Blackouts Coil Pack Brg 1870
AHB-11n Gus G Fire Backout Coil Pack Nk 1725

Heavy! Isn't there a THUG pickup out there somewhere too?