SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

And, TGWIF, I feel I should remind you how unsuccessful (regardless of quality) the original LiveWires were and how Kick-Butt amazingly successful the Blackouts (and new LiveWires) are, giving EMG a serious run for their money and forcing them to innovate again after being practically stagnant for the better part of a decade.

Thats fine...and sort of my point in a way. The success of the Blackouts and Live Wires is proof that there is more they can do in the pickup world...so why waste the time, effort not to mention money on another pedal line that is destined to fail because, based on my experience with the original SD Pedal line they haven't learned their lesson.

Unless you were on the beta test team I don't see how you could have any advanced knowledge of this product? Not unless you posses extra sensory perception in which case your time would be better spent in the lucrative field of sports betting.

I saw them make the same blundering mistakes over and over and over again with the original pedals when, yes i was a beta tester...if they didn't fix the issues then I must assume they haven't fixed them now.

Easy there, Snow. He's just trying to be helpful by pre-loading objections, biases, and speculations that have nothing to do with the quality of the new products.

Wrong. In the end it doesn't really matter to me what happens to the SD Pedal line Version 2.0 and in the end game it doesn't really matter much to the pedal world in general. SD pedals sell to forum guys and folks that are looking for super cheep pedals they can buy at big box retailers and on oline stores...very, very few pro's use SD pedals and I can promise you that Boss, Ibanez/Maxon, Dunlop, etc do not give SD pedals a second look.

I just wonder as a long time fan and user of SD gear why they are insistent on making and selling these pedals.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Holy smokes! Sorry bro, but this is just pure ignorance which is about as 'defensive' a statement as I would ever make on a forum. LOL. I don't even know where to start and certainly would not have believed I would read this on this forum. I would say its rude, which it is, but really it just sounds like you have little if any business experience or R&D experience. If you do, you certainly don't understand what goes into business development at SD or a growing consistently successful company. Although ideas grow through failure and success your rant still holds no wisdom.

Sticking to what 'your good at? LOL. You mean innovation and creative thinking? SD has its hands in more pies than you know and the team at SD has more years of R&D experience in electronics / design than this whole board combined.
The amps of the 80s were innovative and ahead of their time. They are still sought after, getting more expensive and still sound great. As to why they didn't work as a business venture for SD has nothing to do with quality and has no relevance to any new products 30 years later. I can tell you the 'lessons have been learned and earned' as far as where to invest time and energy. Cathy is a brilliant business woman and she hires brilliant people. Its such an incredibly narcissistic assumption and insult to state otherwise right here on her doorstep. What in the world could you possible know about the company? Goodness.

I'm not sure what your intention was to just flat out slam and accuse a great company for moving forward with new ideas or to just take a dump here on the forum because you personally don't like the pedals, but I can tell you your approach has no merit. Feedback is always useful, but this is just nonsense and speaks volumes. An apology would not be amiss.

When I suggested sticking to what they are good at I did mean being innovative but I have't seen much of that in a long time now...I see them trying to get a piece of the pedal pie...chasing EMG...making their old stand by and time tested products cheaper and spending time polling the forum from time to time about making our loved SD Pickups in China...noting innovative about that.

The amps of the 80's were a great idea...so were a few of the SD pedals but like I said above much like the great ideas that Bill Lawrence dreamed up for Gibson in the 70's by the time the bean counters at Norlin got done with them they didn't work right, didn't sound great and didn't last because they wanted to save a few more pennies...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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+1....though I might not have said it like that, I agree on all counts.

Thanks for the support on this topic. I understand that what I said might not have been said in the most gentile way but you guys have to understand I tested several older SD pedals and told them about issues them...one thing I have learned about SD the company, in this day and age is they love to ask for feedback but they don't listen to it very well.

I am another who agrees with Christian about the past pedals,.though I do not agree the way he put it was warranted. I also guarantee he does not care what any of us think either

Thanks Jeff!

I'm not really a fan of the name.

A small point but a valid one...I mean, let's be honest...it is a pretty cliche for a distortion pedal and just goes a long way IMHO to showing that they say they are putting in work on R&D but this just shows me that they are doing the least amount of work possible.

"What can we call the new SD Distortion pedal?" Well, Boss took "Distortion" in 1978, what about "Dirty Deeds?" Yeah...that's great! "DO IT!"

It's just like hyping the bass AND treble controls...I'd be excited about that if it hadn't been done before but if that's the innovative part they need to read the memo that dirt boxes started getting bass and treble controls 20+ years ago.

And now Aceman...what can I say. I gave my real, first hand and personal thoughts on this and other SD pedals and all you can do is make childish ****** jokes...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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Last thought I'd like to leave here is this...I started by saying SD is not well suited for building pedals and I believe that is true and I followed that up by asking why they keep trying. I believe SD could build great pedals if they wanted to because they have had some great ideas...again I reference the Double Back and Deja Vu but they are so concerned with building them as cheaply as possible so they can be sold in a very low price range and still have maximum profit they they let that get in the way of a quality product. Those were the same actions and business beliefs put in place by CBS at Fender and Norlin era Gibson that lead to some of the worst guitars in history. I hate to say that about a company that I have supported for years but I believe that the era of Duncan we are in now will be looked as the dark period for them a few decades form now. I hate to be that way about it and I hope I am wrong but that is just the way I see it.

 

[Dr. Vegetable]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

My SFX-03 Twin Tube sounds fantastic, has a great set of controls laid out sensibly, and I could probably drive over it with my SUV and still use it that night. If that's your example of why SD should get out of the pedal business then I have to wonder...

You seem to be obsessed with what country the wave soldering machine sits in. They could build this on the moon for all I care; I will judge it by how it fits into my rig. I've got plenty of OD/dirt pedals already, but I can see the promise of this unit.

If this is how you deliver constructive feedback then I can see why you weren't asked to participate in beta testing of this latest offering.

 

[Stratman]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I would like to be a little more christian in this post that someone else we all know, so here is my $1 worth on SD pedals...

SFX-01 Pickup Booster - I posted a few years ago that this pedal has problems and that I junked it.

SFX-02 Tweak Fuzz - Later posted that this pedal also has problems and tossed it

SFX-03 Twin Tube Classic - Finally, good until when the foot switch died in this pedal.

SFX-11 Twin Tube Blue - Love them use two SFX-11 in my pedal line up, replacing my FoxRoc Zim

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]SFX-[/FONT][FONT=arial, sans-serif]10 Déjà Vu Tap Delay - Have it but I also have better delays, so it’s in the shoe box….
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Just placed an order with www.MyGuitarSupply.com for the new SD Dirty Deeds pedal.

 

[Aceman]

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Last thought I'd like to leave here is this...I started by saying SD is not well suited for building pedals and I believe that is true and I followed that up by asking why they keep trying. I believe SD could build great pedals if they wanted to because they have had some great ideas...

Dude - you obviously know dick about business in general. STFU. No one is arguing about the original Duncan pedal line or is gonna. But wow - just wow.

Criticize a specific pedal if you want based on YOUR percieved quality/tone or whatever technical solder cork-sniffing you want to engage in, but really. You sound just like Blueman when he talks about music when clearly the only thing he plays is oldies rock. Really - you are just digging the hole deeper man. You are talking unbelievably rudely, and troll-ish and no amount of caveat and explanation is going to save you here. Your @$$hat is on loud and proud and the entire world can see it.

A REAL man would have sent this feedback in a letter to the management. But you chose to basically call the entire management of Seymour Duncan idiots in public on their forum. Way to put the @$$ in class there.

Now waiting for Christian's signiture b!tch@$$ move of deleting a a post because he is crying like a little girl because no one likes what he says or he got called out as wrong.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

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IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY REGARDING MY POSTS PLEASE ADDRESS THEM IN THIS THREAD...I DO NOT WANT PM'S OR EMAILS SENT TO ME ABOUT HOW YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MY POSTS. THIS IS A DISCUSSION FORUM AND IS FOR OPEN DISCUSSION. PLEASE STOP SENDING PM'S AND EMAILS.

Dr. Vegetable, funny you bring up the SFX-03. I was a beta tester for it and had several of my friends check out the prototype. I remember most of them dig it and in fact 4 of them went and bought themselves one as soon as they came out. 3 of them had dead switches and or jacks in less than 30 days...that's a pretty bad failure rate and it's issues like that, that have followed the SD pedal line and I'd bet the farm will follow this new line as well.

Ace...hang it up man. There is no need to get as upset as you seem to be about this.

I did send letters to Duncan, and emails and had countless phone discussions with several of the folks as Duncan regarding the pedals so it's not like I am just sitting here hiding behind the keys of a laptop and have no real info to base it on...

As for deleting my posts hang it up...I hope this thread will get read by the good people at Duncan and maybe will cause at least 1 or 2 of them to really question with they are doing.

You guys please understand, I am not just bashing SD the Company, I love Duncan and have been an SD user for a long time. I love Duncan pickups and to me Duncan is a company that has built a reputation for making high quality products that working musicians, intermediate players and even beginners can afford but at the same time the biggest touring professionals and first call session players are also proud to use but I don't see Duncan pedals as being up to those standards of quality, craftsman ship and construction.

 

[Luke Duke]

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Dude - you obviously know dick about business in general. STFU. No one is arguing about the original Duncan pedal line or is gonna. But wow - just wow.

Criticize a specific pedal if you want based on YOUR percieved quality/tone or whatever technical solder cork-sniffing you want to engage in, but really. You sound just like Blueman when he talks about music when clearly the only thing he plays is oldies rock. Really - you are just digging the hole deeper man. You are talking unbelievably rudely, and troll-ish and no amount of caveat and explanation is going to save you here. Your @$$hat is on loud and proud and the entire world can see it.

A REAL man would have sent this feedback in a letter to the management. But you chose to basically call the entire management of Seymour Duncan idiots in public on their forum. Way to put the @$$ in class there.

Now waiting for Christian's signiture b!tch@$$ move of deleting a a post because he is crying like a little girl because no one likes what he says or he got called out as wrong.

How's the world look from the fanboi high-horse Bob?

 

[JOLLY]

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I honestly don't see anything wrong with the fire inventors's posts, and I actually agree with alot that he has said in this thread. I think those of you that are upset by his posts seem to be taking them personal or something. He's actually making valid points in this thread while most of you are just overly opinionated in your posts. I just happen to have an open mind, and am not taking one side nor the other.

 

[Rand-O-Monium]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

N B4 teh Zap

:wave:

 

[Myaccount876]

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I'm going to ignore the last few pages and give a little input.

Why exactly would you want to set the midrange and leave it to very delicate fine tuning using interactive Bass and Treble controls? That is something that is a pet peeve of mine, and what if:

There was a third EQ knob that controlled the midrange, and make "5" unity, so that would be the current set amount of mids, and then we could cut or boost that amount ourselves to fine tune it. That way you don't have to have a lot of bass or a lot of treble to get more mids, and it is possible to not have much bass or treble to begin with while still being able to have as much in relation mids as you please.

Otherwise so far so good. I would also like two switches, one that acts as normal, and a second switch that boosts the volume and treble of that effect. I would find that extremely useful.

I have also seen on amps some controls that let you control what mid frequencies are being controlled by the main mid control knob. That way you could create a blend of lower and upper mids or have the sound lead towards the lower mids or higher mids.

Just a few ideas I think could really be helpful and useful when done correctly (which I at the very least trust SD in doing).

 

[stringpull]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

Looking forward to the launch!

 

[Aceman]

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How's the world look from the fanboi high-horse Bob?

Pretty damm good. The view is great. TGWIF is getting out sight though because the hole he is digging is getting pretty deep.

There is no forum on Earth where telling a company they are idiots in the way he did that flies period.

 

[Aceman]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

I honestly don't see anything wrong with the fire inventors's posts, and I actually agree with alot that he has said in this thread. I think those of you that are upset by his posts seem to be taking them personal or something. He's actually making valid points in this thread while most of you are just overly opinionated in your posts. I just happen to have an open mind, and am not taking one side nor the other.

Jolly, I hear you. I don't necessarily disagree with his specific pedal issues. But as a Beta tester, he seems to now think he is in a position to just throw down on the company. No amount of being correct about details of a pedal excuses being a dooshrocket towards the company. I'd love to sit in a business/planning meeting and listen to his music industry greatness.

Watch this:

While a lot of the Duncan pedals are really great ideas, I think the execution of them left a lot to be desired. A number were plagued with quality issues. I'm wondering why Duncan doesn't stick with pickups instead. I'd think after their recent foray into pedals not being successful, they wouldn't go there again. They tried amps before too. I don't remember that going so well. Perhaps they have learned some things from the last venture though and maybe it will go differently.

I can still extract all of that from his thread and basically he said SD is a poorly managed company of dumb@$$es. He said it, he meant it. He's a jack@$$. I'm calling him TGWALKW from now on: The Guy Who Acts Like Kanye West.

 

[Myaccount876]

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"Seymour Duncan, I'm happy for you and Imma let you finish, but original PAFs and Broadcaster pickups were the best pickups OF ALL TIME!"

 

[Dr. Vegetable]

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Dr. Vegetable, funny you bring up the SFX-03. I was a beta tester for it and had several of my friends check out the prototype. I remember most of them dig it and in fact 4 of them went and bought themselves one as soon as they came out. 3 of them had dead switches and or jacks in less than 30 days...that's a pretty bad failure rate and it's issues like that, that have followed the SD pedal line and I'd bet the farm will follow this new line as well.

I hadn't realized that being a former beta tester qualifies you for being on the SD board of directors. I am sure they are scrambling to adjust their global business strategy based on your feedback.

I'm sorry to hear that your friends had trouble with their pedals. Mine is solid as granite, definitely has high quality switches, and I have no concerns about it. (Perhaps we could ask the dwarves not to trod so heavily?) It makes me wonder if SD perhaps (gasp!) learned from the failures they saw in those early units and changed over to better quality parts before mine was built. The very fact that so many of your friends rushed out to buy it is pretty strong testament to how awesome that pedal is. Why would anyone argue against these guys trying to create more awesome?

You are entitled to jump to your own conclusions about this new pedal, but it was in poor form (and a bit arrogant) to blast the company for trying to produce cool new products.

 

[JohnnyGuitar]

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Not sure the world needs more dirt pedals, or at least mass produced dirt pedals...

Every pedal company has a few dirt pedals, some are just focused on it... if a bigger company wants to expand to pedals - I believe in going for something that boutique makers don't do as easily, such as modulation pedals.

There are still a lot of places where SD can innovate when it comes to pickups - acoustic, signature, genre dedicated, period correct...


Edit:
Well, to be honest, as I just got myself a new Treble Booster - the world does need more dirt pedals... but here's the thing - I got a treble booster, tailor made for me, for a very good price. And it does what I wanted. There are a lot of boutique makers who make clones, innovations, combinations... they are able to make bespoke adjustments, give you personal treatment and add sentimental value that will keep the pedals away from the 2nd hand market for a very long time. Going into the dirt pedal market just seems like a weird business move, I'm not sure that there's a sub-sector in the guitar-gear market that is more competitive.

 

[Lucid_Lunatic]

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If I were in management at SD, I'd move everything to China and concentrate on growing medicinal pot. That's where it's at.

 

[dr. ad]

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Seymour Duncan's Dirty Deed Distortion Pedal

personally i'd like to see SD push their basslines range a bit harder.
or take the zephyr approach, and build pedals out of space-shuttle parts and price them accordingly.
pedals are for pus-, er, pushbikes.