Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

[nitroburner1000]

Hi all. Im looking for some help.
Im upgrading my MIM HSS strat. Ive had it about 3 years and want more sound choices.
Ive been reading a lot about the big apple strat and am going to try to clone it.

This is the guitar i have now

This is the diagram im going to work from http://pdf.toneshapers.com/ToneShapers- ... Duncan.pdf
Have to leave link as the pic is in pdf

This is my setup so far








I want to use the 2 tone push/pulls to each control a single pickup.
I want them to control series/parallel, one for the bridge and one for the neck.

3 questions....... How do i connect the push/pulls into the big apple strat wiring circuit, ( a diagram would be much appreciated)?
and... on the big apple i want to leave out the 2 resisters, do i have to replace them with normal wire or leave them off completely?
And... is the big apples 2 pole superswitch connections the same if i use a normal 4 pole superswitch?

Thanks in advance for any help i get

 

[Brandenburg]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

id help but link is dead

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

Here is the Big Apple Strat service diagram:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/stratocaster/010-7200_02B_SISD.pdf

The 5 positions are:
-Neck Series
-Neck Split
-Neck Series in parallel with Bridge Series
-Neck Split in parallel with Bridge Split
-Bridge Series

That seems like a pretty versatile setup for a HH Strat. I can convince of a way to use push-pull pots to make the neck and bridge parallel, but I think that may disturb position 2 and 4.

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

id help but link is dead

Hi, sorry, here is the link again... http://pdf.toneshapers.com/ToneShapers-Wiring-Diagram-Fender-Stratocaster-ST-HH1_241-Duncan.pdf

 

[Mincer]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

I do remember doing a version of this, although I had to flip a magnet to keep the standard Big Apple sounds humbucking with the right coils selected.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

Fender used to specify an OEM SH-1n with short height adjustment screw lugs, its magnet flipped and the conductors had to be reversed per coil to preserve hum-cancellation on the Inside Coils selection.

The Superswitch does all of the coil permutation work. Introducing series/parallel switching complicates things needlessly.

If you have followed Fender's lead by choosing the Pearly Gates Plus humbucker, there is little or no advantage to S/P switching it that cannot be achieved by rolling back the volume pot a little.

If you want all of those additional coil permutations, it would be wiser to "borrow" one of Fender's S-1 switching circuits.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

Hi, sorry, here is the link again... http://pdf.toneshapers.com/ToneShapers-Wiring-Diagram-Fender-Stratocaster-ST-HH1_241-Duncan.pdf

This wiring looks a little preferable to the stock Fender one, as you'll avoid needing the flip the magnet and change colors like Funk mentions. The resistors may be preferable or not, that will be personal preference.

I also agree with Funk that if you want even more options the S-1 + Superswitch might be preferable.

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

Here is the Big Apple Strat service diagram:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/stratocaster/010-7200_02B_SISD.pdf

The 5 positions are:
-Neck Series
-Neck Split
-Neck Series in parallel with Bridge Series
-Neck Split in parallel with Bridge Split
-Bridge Series

That seems like a pretty versatile setup for a HH Strat. I can convince of a way to use push-pull pots to make the neck and bridge parallel, but I think that may disturb position 2 and 4.

Ok thanks, i suppose i dont really need all positions in parallel only 2 and 4 so i can get that strat quack..

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

I do remember doing a version of this, although I had to flip a magnet to keep the standard Big Apple sounds humbucking with the right coils selected.

Yea ok, im trying to avoid flipping pup as i would like to keep it simple. Thanks

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

Fender used to specify an OEM SH-1n with short height adjustment screw lugs, its magnet flipped and the conductors had to be reversed per coil to preserve hum-cancellation on the Inside Coils selection.

The Superswitch does all of the coil permutation work. Introducing series/parallel switching complicates things needlessly.

If you have followed Fender's lead by choosing the Pearly Gates Plus humbucker, there is little or no advantage to S/P switching it that cannot be achieved by rolling back the volume pot a little.

If you want all of those additional coil permutations, it would be wiser to "borrow" one of Fender's S-1 switching circuits.

Ok, something to think about. the reason i wanted parallel was that i wanted 2 and 4 positions to be tight and quacky like the std strat. All my pots are 500k with .47 caps, so i thought the standard sound from these would sound too full and heavy, i just wanted to break the sound up a bit. Thanks for your imput.

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

So would it be any easier using just the one push/pull for both pups using the other say for split coils, or reverse phase ( although this option sounds like a tight fart! lol) or leaving it out altogether? Would i still get that strat sound on 2 and 4? thanks again guys...

 

[Brandenburg]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

easier to do coil splits and series/parallel in one on/on/on DPDT

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

easier to do coil splits and series/parallel in one on/on/on DPDT

Well its no probs fitting a couple off on/on/on switches and doing away with the push/pulls... Still need wiring help though....cheers

 

[Brandenburg]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

tell me exactly what you want and ill see if i can draw something up for you..wont take long too long to do


only had a few hours of sleep so im going to take a nap./lol

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

Another option is the above mentioned switches and a 3-way blade switch. Then you can select Series/Parallel/Split per pickup, and neck, neck/bridge, bridge with the blade.

In the end I would find one of the two Big Apple wiring schemes using a 5-way blade superswitch more intuitive though.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

the reason i wanted parallel was that i wanted 2 and 4 positions to be tight and quacky like the std strat.

Two questions:
1) Have you actually tried a Fender USA Big Apple or Double Fat Stratocaster?
2) Which SD pickup models are you installing in your guitar?

The guitars are very nice to play but the two "Fender" sounds on the selector switch never entirely deliver the sound of true Stratocaster type single coils.

In the case of the Inside Coils permutation, the distance between the coils is a factor in the resultant frequency notch filtering. A second contributory factor is the relative output levels of the two coils. A JB/Jazz pair would create a different mix compared to, say, the '59N/PG+ of the American Fender.

 

[nitroburner1000]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

I'd give this a shot: http://www.dimarzio.com/sites/default/files/diagrams/2hum1vol2tone_ep1112c.pdf Requires a dimarzio super 5 way.

Inside coils combined is a fantastic sound. John Petrucci uses this sound.

Outside coils to some isn't a good sound (funk fingers said this in the past) but with the right pickups it sounds incredibly chimy. It sounds telecastery to me. When I play slap riffs on guitar its incredible. I think I lucked out with Dimarzio using different strength coils.

All sounds are noiseless and are fantastic for my setup/band

Thanks, took a look and its basically the same as the one below, but still not giving me parallel options, thanks though

 

[VinceT]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

It's times like these that I wish SD made a version of Triple Shots for pick guard mounted 'buckers.


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[Brandenburg]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

It's times like these that I wish SD made a version of Triple Shots for pick guard mounted 'buckers.


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but.. being a pickguard, its easier to add a switch or 2 too.. not sure how SD would implement a TS unless the whole pickguard was part of the TS system.Probably not a big enough market to make this financially sustainable or they would of done it by now..

 

[VinceT]

Re: Strat Big Apple Clone With Series/Parallel Options Help

but.. being a pickguard, its easier to add a switch or 2 too.. not sure how SD would implement a TS unless the whole pickguard was part of the TS system.Probably not a big enough market to make this financially sustainable or they would of done it by now..

Right. It's such a small piece of passive circuitry, though, makes me wonder why it can't be built into the PUp as standard... As you say though R&D/production costs likely outweigh market demand.