Talk me into (or out of) buying this JC-120

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http://www.daddys.com/detail.php?itemTitle=roland-jc-120&itemNumber=ROL11109

$400 is cheaper than what they've been going for on the Bay, and this one looks like it's in really good shape. Judging from the switch layout, this one is an older generation. I emailed asking what year it was built, but I can't see that changing my decision.

Daddy's seems to be the place for used gear. I've never shopped there before but these prices beat out anything on the Bay or the used section of Guitar Center/Sam Ash.
 
Re: Talk me into (or out of) buying this JC-120

if yer a chorus freak, haggle

if not, pass
 
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Pro: Super clean; stereo (separate amp to each speaker); legendary Roland/Boss chorus.
Con: that's all it does. No OD, no tubes, and don't hook up any fuzz pedals.

Probably good for jazz guitar, or old-school Rhodes electric piano.

BTW, it sounds kind of OK for low-volume bass (Jaco tracked some parts of Joni Mitchell's "Mingus" album using a JC-120).
 
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Well I'm not a chorus freak. I was hoping it would be a versatile platform for my pedals.

I'll repost what I said in another thread here...

I use a Boss GT-8 and I wish I had an amp setup that could handle the stereo split. When I play into headphones the stereo effects are amazing, but when I plug the GT-8 into my (mono) amp it's not the same.

Even if the GT-8 were out of the picture, the amp seems to be a great platform for analog pedals as well.

Also, I play a wide range of styles, so it's hard for me to pick an amp that does one thing great. It's all about versatility. I'm talking about a range from The Swell Season to Arcade Fire to Black Sabbath to Lamb of God.
 
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Probably good for jazz guitar, or old-school Rhodes electric piano.

Not entirely true.. my school has three of them and all of the guitarists in the jazz program, myself included avoid them whenever possible.. one of the rooms has a Twin Reverb that hasn't been retubed in years and another one a Traynor amp...

...most of the time we use the Fender frontman amps..

But all that's besides the point.. The amp's pricing is good. The overdrive on these amps is.. well not that great. Mainly its for crystal clear, if a little bright and sterile tone (remember, sterile isn't a bad thing, especially if you want to colour it with your pedalboard) with *shudders* chorus sounds. If that's what you want one of then by all means its a great deal.
 
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so, does it have to be one, single, stereo amp?
 
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so, does it have to be one, single, stereo amp?

No, it doesn't have to be. I just thought that would sound cool.

The feedback I'm getting here isn't thrilling me though. I think it may be time to go back to the drawing board.

I like the idea of solid state since I don't have to worry about replacing tubes, and the stereo setup of the JC-120 was a cool perk. I'm open minded about it though.
 
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Nope. At least not in the near future...

I have a Behringer VT250FX solid state stereo amp that I used to use with my Line6 X3. Using dual tone, different presets on each channel, I tried to run it in stereo through FX loop and I could not hear any difference at all. I was not worth the hassle at all. Stereo is more affective when used with 2 amps (or cabs) positioned or miced differently.

IF you will be using mostly at home I would suggest you buy a small wattage tube amp instead. Such as Blackstar HT-5 maybe. Great price, quality and not so many tubes to replace. You can still run your new and old amp in stereo and when positioned appropriately you will feel the stereo.
 
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^ Damn you cakire82 and your very reasonable advice. Thanks for the help guys. Back to the drawing board...

I think it may be time to go tube.
 
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I have actually owned a Roland JC-120 --- unlike most folks. Most people don't get all the way to the finish line because the amp sounds terrible without the chorus on - and that's true; it does sound terrible without the chorus on.

I used to play in a big funk band, and I wanted the cleanest, loudest amp in the world, so I got a Roland JC-120, and I also got a Fender Ultimate Chorus, which was kind of like getting a Camry and an Accord - two different companies' take on the same idea.

Roland JC-120:
Sterile is overused in tone discussion, so let me qualify for you a bit. This amp felt "stiff," it had a very direct tone, with 0 sag or sponginess to it. The sound that came out of it "felt" brittle. High frequencies were reproduced perfectly, and I mean perfectly --- it sounded like what you heard playing unplugged, almost as if it made your pickups a little "truer." Impossible, I know, but observable.

Mid reproduction was super "closed," like it pained the amp to do it. Mid reproduction was the thing that gave these amps the reputation for being sterile, I think. There's just something so unnatural about the mid reproduction on these amps, I can't put my finger on it too well, but the mids always sounded unnatural.

Low reproduction: there wasn't any. For a closed back 2x12, you'd expect a lot of punch and woof, but you'd be sorely mistaken - the JC-120 never thumped. Some of you know I love a big low thump in my tone, and I actually gigged for years with a subwoofer in my live rig (same band, needed big thick clean tone). The JC-120 had no low end, and you can believe that I turned every knob trying to get it there.

Fender Ultimate Chorus:
This amp sounds unnaturally warm for a solid state amp, on the clean channel. For the record, I'm only referencing the clean channel in both of my assessments. High reproduction on this amp is clear, but sweet - the speakers may be the cause of this, but the highs are not harsh, they are, well...sweet.

Mid reproduction is excellent in this amp. Fender actually added a MID BOOST button to the later revision of this amp (which is the one I had) which can really change the sound of the amp. I used the MID BOOST button a lot when switching between G-style and F-style guitars. Mid reproduction has a very lively and active feel to it --- and carries an immediacy that is generally associated with active pickups, although I never used actives with it.

Low reproduction is ridiculous --- bump city if you dial it that way, or clear and authoritative if you dial it that way.

Overall, this amp had a spongier feel to it --- almost elastic, where the amp would save up some energy and kick it out extra hard based on how you picked. It just felt alive, and the Roland didn't.

Both amps have true stereo chorus, and two separate power amps, as in the Fender, rated at 130W, has two separate 65W power amps sitting next to each other --- essentially two 1x12 65W amps sitting next to each other in one cabinet. The Roland was built the same way.

The Roland was closed back and had fixed casters, I believe, and the Fender was open back and had removable casters.

I also found the chorus on the Fender to be both more pleasing and more adjustable.

I offloaded the JC-120 to a hippie bass player who wanted it for some reason, and kept the Fender.

Real reviews based on real experience from your boy I6.
 
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I've always wanted a JC120 to do that Hetfield clean sound... nothing else nothing more lol.

that has still got to be one of my favorite guitar sounds :)
 
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BTW, the reson why these don't do well with overdriven sound is that the speakers are too wide range.

If you replace the speakers with something more conventional you'd find in a Marshall or whatever you can improve that a lot. Of course that loses some sparkle from the cleans.
 
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I6 is entirely right.. Fender Ultimate chorus is an amazing amp, sounds and 'feels' great. Even the distortion on it is quite pleasant to my ears.
 
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Back in my band days, I played a Marshall half stack. Bought a used JC-120 and put it between the head and cabinet. Wired it up with an ABY box. Was only intending to use it for clean stuff but one day at rehearsal I hit the ABY switch for both amps and HOLY CRAP! My sound was HUGE. What a difference having a crystal clean tone mixed with my heavy OD tone. Makes it sound much better and incredibly punchy. I miss that rig.
 
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Wow I6. Very thorough. Thanks a lot dude.

I've been using a Fender Deluxe 90 (90W, 1x12, SS) for 8-10 years now and its actually treated me really well. Maybe the Ultimate Chorus is worth shopping around for.
 
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In the distant past, I had a couple of friends, one w/a JC-120, one w/a JC-77 (lower wattage, 2x10 spkrs). From what I recall, I agree completely w/I6.
 
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Wow I6. Very thorough. Thanks a lot dude.

I've been using a Fender Deluxe 90 (90W, 1x12, SS) for 8-10 years now and its actually treated me really well. Maybe the Ultimate Chorus is worth shopping around for.

Yeah man, that's what we're here for!

The Ultimate Chorus is a keeper amp for me --- it does something that not many other amps can.

Here is a clip of mine: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5009472

If you go all the way to 4:15, you'll hear it CLEAN, with some chorus, and some delay to get an idea of what that sounds like. Both the chorus and the delay you'll hear are from the amp's onboard effects.

The high gain stuff you hear in the first 4 minutes of the song are the Ultimate Chorus too --- recorded with a dynamic mic and 5 radio shack adapters into a tape deck or something. Bad recording, but once you calibrate your ears to the recording, you'll be able to get a feeling for what the clean / wet tone was like.

Oh, and by the way, this is a recording of I6 before the John Mayer days, so prepare to get your nuts smashed. :laughing:
 
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