Talk to me about Graph Tech

Re: Talk to me about Graph Tech

^ ^ Wot he said.

In my experience with Graph Tech nuts and saddles, they steal tone. They do solve some problems re. tuning and string breakage, but at a heavy cost. I avoid this material at all times.

Tusq is a great product, not at all like the black stuff, and is great on acoustic guitars. It is a vast tonal improvement over the plastic nuts and saddles found on many guitars. I have even seen Tusq saddle sets for TOM bridges.

As was mentioned above, if you're playing with a lot of gain, the Graph-Tech losses may not be noticed or missed. However, good tone starts with clean sound and that sound is severely compromised. Let's face it, it's usually Strat-based designs featuring vibrato bridges (or trem bridges if we must be incorrect) that suffer from the problems (nuts and saddles being the usual culprits). There are usually other ways to address string breakage and tuning issues.

Horses for courses i guess, but personally the tone loss is just too much for me, although i respect that others either don't hear any losses and/ or are happy to make the sacrifice in favour of mechanical reliability. I would certainly challenge the idea that there is an *improvement* in tone though.
 
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In my opinion, having tried both black graphtec graphite saddles, white tusq, old-style brass and standard 'pot metal' (zinc?) all on the same TOM bridge on the same SG, the white tusq can't be beat. I guess the best way to describe it is akin to adding almost a stereo character to the tone and vastly increased resonance. Brass would be a close runner-up, good sustain. The black graphtec seemed somewhat flat by comparison but it does do what it's supposed to do: no string breakage and it sure does feel like the action gets slinkier. Definitely duller, though, like the old nylon saddles. Would probably work well on a bright guitar on the plain strings. Tusq seems just about as good in the same respect, though (no breakage and slick).
 
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i have a carvin DC727 with graph tech saddle and and nut. While this si a nice sounding guitar there is something i noticed that shocked me. O.k. My carvin with a 1/2 inch quilt maple top on alder body / maple neck thru design w/ebony fret board (hardtail bridge) VS my 2008 MIA strat alder body maple neck and board 2008 2 point trem bridge. I have tested them un-plugged and the strat is brighter that the carvin!!! The Start has a very livley dynamic sound. The carvin is noticably warmer with a compressed and what i would describe as a muted tone if you will. I think it does have a dullness to the high-end. I just get the overall impression that the high-end is being muted. And this is unplugged mind you. I mean the guitar sounds good but I prefer the sound of my strat anyday over the carvin. Will it change the sound? Absolutley! For the better or worse it depends on what you like.
AS for tusq i have never used it but i would try it
 
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As usual genius your dead right....and they also robbed sustain on my Strat. Consequently I've never tried them again on any other of my guitars.
If you play with heaps of gain then it doesnt matter, you won't hear any difference, in fact most people probably won't hear any difference either way, but if you play clean and your a critical listener....No!
They're about helping tuning issues and having a smooth surface for strings to work on. ( good cure for string breakage. )
But there is a price to pay !
If tone and sustain are your first and most important priorities...No !

I'm seriously not hearing that on my Graphtec-equipped Strats. I play mostly clean or medium gain, and my tone and sustain on both guitars is excellent. It is certainly not worse than my guitars with metal saddles.

Maybe I'm just not a "critical listener", which is funny because every guitarist who's ever heard me play has said I have excellent tone. Could just be a fluke I suppose?
 
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I'm seriously not hearing that on my Graphtec-equipped Strats. I play mostly clean or medium gain, and my tone and sustain on both guitars is excellent. It is certainly not worse than my guitars with metal saddles.

Maybe I'm just not a "critical listener", which is funny because every guitarist who's ever heard me play has said I have excellent tone. Could just be a fluke I suppose?

I've not heard it on mine either, and I've had both metal *and* graphtec saddles on the same guitar. I think if there is any actual difference it's pretty minimal, and certainly hasn't driven me to switch back.
 
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I`m with ratherdashing. My Carvin Bolt Plus with Graphtech saddles and nut is plenty bright,killer tone as well. The guy that compared a Carvin neck thru with Ebony fretboard vs a Fender Strat with an all Maple fretboard and said the Carvin isn`t as bright...*lol* i guess not!!!
 
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I`m with ratherdashing. My Carvin Bolt Plus with Graphtech saddles and nut is plenty bright,killer tone as well. The guy that compared a Carvin neck thru with Ebony fretboard vs a Fender Strat with an all Maple fretboard and said the Carvin isn`t as bright...*lol* i guess not!!!

But shouldn't the carvin be brighter than the strat by all rights? given the tonal formula you've got with those two and 1/2 maple top come on. I am not say the carvin sounds bad or doesn't have some brightness to it. but there is definatly a compression there with the carvin that is not there with the strat. Oh well :cool2:
 
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You know what i might do? I may try the graphtech saddles on my strat and that would tell me for sure whats going on.
 
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I call it "Crap Tech". Actually, the Graphite stuff sucks, but the Tusq is **** good! Worlds better than plastic, but in the end Bone is sweeter, but tusq acoustic bridge and nuts are excellent..
 
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I changed the saddles on my Tele after 16 years from steel to Graphtech, not due to tuning issues or breakage or anything, the steel just finally rusted so much that I couldn't get any more adjustment out of it.

Before:

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After:

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I didn't notice any tone change or anything. I'm not a huge fan of the look, but I'll get over it.
 
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I've put the Graph Tech saddles on two Strats and like the results a lot!

It's just like Bludave says:
#1. I never break strings anymore
#2. My guitars stay in tune better
#3. The graphite adds a little warmth to the tone

Also the tone is a little fatter, a little more even, a little more consistent, and and a little less steely. Some would call that an improvement.

Lew
 
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But shouldn't the carvin be brighter than the strat by all rights? given the tonal formula you've got with those two and 1/2 maple top come on. I am not say the carvin sounds bad or doesn't have some brightness to it. but there is definatly a compression there with the carvin that is not there with the strat. Oh well :cool2:

I would fully expect the strat to be brighter and less compressed, regardless of what saddles were on either instrument.
 
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I'd argue with the statement that Graph Tech saddles "rob" tone. They provide a slightly different sound and attack than stock cast saddles, but there's no robbery. In my experience they do not have the slightly pingy sound that steel saddles have. They replace it with greater string life, softer bends, and an overall richer, more satisfying frequency response. Whether you like it depends on what appeals to you personally.
 
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I'm about to try a set of Graph Tech Saddles on a Floyd Rose...anyone have any experience with them? Pros, Cons? :scratchch
 
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I'm seriously not hearing that on my Graphtec-equipped Strats. I play mostly clean or medium gain, and my tone and sustain on both guitars is excellent. It is certainly not worse than my guitars with metal saddles.

Maybe I'm just not a "critical listener", which is funny because every guitarist who's ever heard me play has said I have excellent tone. Could just be a fluke I suppose?

If you believe that you have the ability to critically appraise and analyse differences in guitar hardware's sound and your not over 55 years of age or suffer hearing frequency loss due to excessive volume over time ,then It's no fluke.

Some times I wonder about peoples ability to asses subtle and sometimes not so subtle differences in tone and sound.

You maintain that there's no degredadtion of tone or sustain so that's that.
You can't deny what you hear anymoe than I can.
My experience with graphtech was a slight loss of tone and sustain so that also is that.

The conclusion I've come to is different nut and saddle materials really are a case of try and see for yourself.
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I'm seriously not hearing that on my Graphtec-equipped Strats. I play mostly clean or medium gain, and my tone and sustain on both guitars is excellent. It is certainly not worse than my guitars with metal saddles.

Maybe I'm just not a "critical listener", which is funny because every guitarist who's ever heard me play has said I have excellent tone. Could just be a fluke I suppose?

Just like with any product, its how it is installed. I agree with you. I have heard no difference in tone or sustain & I play blues mostly which is pretty clean & sustain is key. In fact I feel I have better sustain then before. If the saddles are not installed properly or the nut is not installed properly well theirs the tone & sustain robbing, not the material.
 
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I'm with you, Bludave. I had a graphtech TOM bridge, and while it did sound noticably different, it wasn't by any means "worse", and I think sustain actually improved slightly. That said, I wouldn't recommend their bridges, because while the saddles were nice, the actual bridge looked like it was made out of moulded plastic that had been painted silver - like a cheap cap gun.
 
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