Tell me about Bogner....

jmv

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Are they really as amazing as everyone says??

Theres an EL34 shiva at a store just a few minutes from my house.... i'm thinking about taking my gibson down there to plug into it, but i almost don't want to because i'm afraid i'll like it too much, and theres no way i could afford a $2000 amp, not for a looong time anyway.

You guys that have tried them, what do you think?
 
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great amps, no secret

were you expecting someone to say they aren't?
you'll play it and commence The Wanting, with fever flashes of The Pining.

play an Ecstacy and suffer The Lusting. You'll prostitute yerself for one.

pull the store's nicest axe off the wall and play through one and it's all over; you will be as terminal with GASitis as the rest of this forum of lost souls.

as an oh btw, there are lots of great amps out there in addition to those, each capable of delivering lethal doses of poisonous GAS.

well, it was nice knowing ya
 
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Ended my amp search. It took no more than a few chords to sell me on the amp; I heard it, I grinned and I saved up my money for it and wouldn't settle on anything less. It's voicing isn't for everyone, but it's one of the best channel switching amps of all time and I can't imagine not using one. Now I have fun messing with pedals and guitars, but the one consistent thing is my amp and I've had it for over 2 years now with no regrets.
 
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The Shiva is a very nice amp. Opinions are more mixed on the XTC due to some perceived shortcomings in its clean channel (not an uncommon gripe in a high gain amp).

Back to the Shiva: It's a heavy amp due to the beefy transformers. That's a big part of its mojo. You can score one for a lot less than two grand if you're patient and willing to buy used.

Personally, I'm satisfied with the Rivera Rake for my "Fender/Marshall in one box" needs. It's less weight for the back and leaves a bit more weight in the wallet. ;)
 
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nice sounding amps. thats saying alot, since i build some **** nice high gains amps myself.
 
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Opinions are more mixed on the XTC due to some perceived shortcomings in its clean channel

Personally, I'm satisfied with the Rivera Rake

dude wasn't asking for hearsay, and, there's too much opinion based on it

the one I had for 10 years made glorious cleans that made my heart beat faster and brought tears. They are designed a bit different nowadays, and I will admit that I don't know how that affects the sound. But the road to hell is paved with hearsay.

dude didn't ask about other amps that can compete. Long, LONG list of amps that can be argued for that when there's no real "better," just "different," "owned," and "used instead of." Perhaps even, "I spent my money on this other one, and my choice was clever and awesome. Ooh that justification felt good."

/thread anti-dilution
 
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dude wasn't asking for hearsay, and, there's too much opinion based on it

the one I had for 10 years made glorious cleans that made my heart beat faster and brought tears. They are designed a bit different nowadays, and I will admit that I don't know how that affects the sound. But the road to hell is paved with hearsay.

dude didn't ask about other amps that can compete. Long, LONG list of amps that can be argued for that when there's no real "better," just "different," "owned," and "used instead of." Perhaps even, "I spent my money on this other one, and my choice was clever and awesome. Ooh that justification felt good."

/thread anti-dilution
Dude,

Everything here is opinion. Guess what. When you're getting information from strangers on the internet, it's ALL hearsay!

So you liked your XTC? Congrats on getting as off topic as I was! :eyecrazy: In case you didn't notice, the OP was a query about a Shiva. Maybe you're just pissed that my opinion of the XT didn't validate your purchase. :rolleyes:

It probably never occurred to you that when someone is inquring about an expensive item they might appreciate a suggestion of a more affordable alternative. That's why I mentioned the Rivera but not the other amps I like/own that don't cover the same bases as the Shiva.

Folks like you are the reason why my ignore list is getting so freaking long. :rolleyes: Hopefully you'll take the clue and not bother responding 'cause I'm not gonna see it. :banghead:
 
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In 95, I made the terrible mistake of going to Make'N'Music in North Hollywood, where Bogner began his company. I plugged into an Ecstasy, and it haunted me for the next several years, knowing that nothing even comes a close second.

I had some nice amps too, because I was endorsed by Blues Pearl Amp Co, who made PTP Fender type amps, and also had some nice Marshalls. Still, the memory of that XTC haunted me, but the price was just too far out of reach.

One day, I came across a recycler.com ad, where a guy claimed to have the best XTC ever made....a loaded white chassis 101B, which IMO is better than the much praised and rare 100B. The guy was a North Hollywood local player who had 4 XTC's, including all the versions of the white chassis model. He was in dire straights, and sold 3 of them, swearing he'd never sell his last one. Well, he listed that last XTC, and listed it for $2250 Firm. I was halfway there financially, and begged him to come down on the price.
I got him down to $2175, so I immediately listed ALL my amps for sale, and the second I had the money, I met him at my rehearsal space.

7 years later, and using it in a couple bands, as well as hearing all other comparable amps, I'm still convinced it's a design that can't be topped. It's the perfect EL-34 channel switching amp.

I really wish people wouldn't write hack-money central.com reviews based on their 10 minutes of playing it in a store. They simply don't know what the heck they're talking about when they have any criticism of it. Particularly the clean channel's supposed short comings. It doesn't have shortcomings....it's not a Blackface 6L6 Fender....it's a huge glassy EL-34 power section that can be manipulated in ANY way, just like the other 2 channels. For instance, If I played the amp in the store for 5 minutes, I wouldn't know that I can use the assignable presence knob to add more sparkle in the highs on either the green or red channel, while assigning the regular presence to the other 2.
I may not know that I can turn either the blue OR red channel into a plexi, leaving the other a more modern sound. I can make the clean channel sound glassy or tweedy.
I can make the blue channel anything from a clean plexi to Metallica. I can make the red channel anything from a clean plexi all the way to something that stomps a Rectifier into the dirt.
All those little switches on the front reconfigure the gain structure or EQ structure of each channel, so you can pinpoint the type of sound you're looking for specifically.

On my particular version, I can assign the channels to different cabs that turn on and off when I change channels......hit the clean, it goes to an open back. Hit the plexi, it goes to a greenback 4-12. Hit the red channel, it goes to a Vin 30 4-12.

Maybe I want it to sound more like a Vox or Dr. Z. I switch it to class A. I can run all 4 tubes in class A, or switch it to half power class A, so it's headroom is more like an 15W Bad Cat.
Lets say I want to mute the amp while I switch guitars....there's a standby on the footswitch.
There's a switch on the back for old/new voicing, which revoices the whole amp.
Also, there's an attenuator loop and line out. The only feature I don't have that some of the early XTC's had is a variac. Oh, one more thing....if a power tube fails, a red LED comes on, and 2 are shutoff, letting the amp continue to run on the remaining 2.

And with all these features and versatility, it doesn't strip the tone dry like a cheaper amp. Each channel sounds as good or better than a single channel amp. And the ground floor hiss is very low, compared to that type of gain coming out of a cheaper amp.....no noisegate needed. That's why they cost the big bucks, and that's why people pay it, and that's why the reviews are stellar, coming from players that have owned countless classic amps.

In my opinion, Reinhold Bogner is the greatest amplifier designer of all time, bar none.

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If that weren't the case, his Fish Preamp wouldn't be selling for 5 times the price of every other preamp. And Line 6 wouldn't have changed their entire reason for existing, to bring Reinhold on board.

Thats true, a Fish that Jerry Cantrell owned just sold on the Bay for around $4500... for a preamp. wow.
 
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All of you guys listed a bunch of amps from Bogner and its the holy grail tone for some of you..but I'm gonna give you my hard rock side of Bogner. The Uberschall is the tone I will ever want. Never heard a high gain amp's hot distortion that actually has tone on top of it! That to me is my grail tone, but the price is way out of my reach..but someday..it will be mine!
 
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Wow, I didn't see that one! I'm amazed to see that thing because there were several versions, and that's the exact same one I have. They use those weird symbols for serial numbers, and I think mine is 132, and that one on Ebay is 136.
They were probably made in the same batch in 95. That's the first one I've seen on Ebay that's identical to mine.

The new ones don't have the cabinet assigning, hotplate loop, or Class A, unless it's special ordered.
 
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Arrrggghhhhh.... I'm really p!55ed about that, I would have gone for that regardless of the shipping and duty if I had seen it.. I'd have sold whatever I had too! The cheapest I've seen an Exstacy Classic over here is £2750 ... yep $5500 approx!! And I don't think that has all of the features of the Ebay one? Such is life....
 
Re: Tell me about Bogner....

In 95, I made the terrible mistake of going to Make'N'Music in North Hollywood, where Bogner began his company. I plugged into an Ecstasy, and it haunted me for the next several years, knowing that nothing even comes a close second.

I had some nice amps too, because I was endorsed by Blues Pearl Amp Co, who made PTP Fender type amps, and also had some nice Marshalls. Still, the memory of that XTC haunted me, but the price was just too far out of reach.

One day, I came across a recycler.com ad, where a guy claimed to have the best XTC ever made....a loaded white chassis 101B, which IMO is better than the much praised and rare 100B. The guy was a North Hollywood local player who had 4 XTC's, including all the versions of the white chassis model. He was in dire straights, and sold 3 of them, swearing he'd never sell his last one. Well, he listed that last XTC, and listed it for $2250 Firm. I was halfway there financially, and begged him to come down on the price.
I got him down to $2175, so I immediately listed ALL my amps for sale, and the second I had the money, I met him at my rehearsal space.

7 years later, and using it in a couple bands, as well as hearing all other comparable amps, I'm still convinced it's a design that can't be topped. It's the perfect EL-34 channel switching amp.

I really wish people wouldn't write hack-money central.com reviews based on their 10 minutes of playing it in a store. They simply don't know what the heck they're talking about when they have any criticism of it. Particularly the clean channel's supposed short comings. It doesn't have shortcomings....it's not a Blackface 6L6 Fender....it's a huge glassy EL-34 power section that can be manipulated in ANY way, just like the other 2 channels. For instance, If I played the amp in the store for 5 minutes, I wouldn't know that I can use the assignable presence knob to add more sparkle in the highs on either the green or red channel, while assigning the regular presence to the other 2.
I may not know that I can turn either the blue OR red channel into a plexi, leaving the other a more modern sound. I can make the clean channel sound glassy or tweedy.
I can make the blue channel anything from a clean plexi to Metallica. I can make the red channel anything from a clean plexi all the way to something that stomps a Rectifier into the dirt.
All those little switches on the front reconfigure the gain structure or EQ structure of each channel, so you can pinpoint the type of sound you're looking for specifically.

On my particular version, I can assign the channels to different cabs that turn on and off when I change channels......hit the clean, it goes to an open back. Hit the plexi, it goes to a greenback 4-12. Hit the red channel, it goes to a Vin 30 4-12.

Maybe I want it to sound more like a Vox or Dr. Z. I switch it to class A. I can run all 4 tubes in class A, or switch it to half power class A, so it's headroom is more like an 15W Bad Cat.
Lets say I want to mute the amp while I switch guitars....there's a standby on the footswitch.
There's a switch on the back for old/new voicing, which revoices the whole amp.
Also, there's an attenuator loop and line out. The only feature I don't have that some of the early XTC's had is a variac. Oh, one more thing....if a power tube fails, a red LED comes on, and 2 are shutoff, letting the amp continue to run on the remaining 2.

And with all these features and versatility, it doesn't strip the tone dry like a cheaper amp. Each channel sounds as good or better than a single channel amp. And the ground floor hiss is very low, compared to that type of gain coming out of a cheaper amp.....no noisegate needed. That's why they cost the big bucks, and that's why people pay it, and that's why the reviews are stellar, coming from players that have owned countless classic amps.

In my opinion, Reinhold Bogner is the greatest amplifier designer of all time, bar none.

SOLD !!!

Jeez Jonesy, ever think of getting a sales/marketing job for some of these amp companies ???? :D
 
Re: Tell me about Bogner....

In 95, I made the terrible mistake of going to Make'N'Music in North Hollywood, where Bogner began his company. I plugged into an Ecstasy, and it haunted me for the next several years, knowing that nothing even comes a close second.

I had some nice amps too, because I was endorsed by Blues Pearl Amp Co, who made PTP Fender type amps, and also had some nice Marshalls. Still, the memory of that XTC haunted me, but the price was just too far out of reach.

One day, I came across a recycler.com ad, where a guy claimed to have the best XTC ever made....a loaded white chassis 101B, which IMO is better than the much praised and rare 100B. The guy was a North Hollywood local player who had 4 XTC's, including all the versions of the white chassis model. He was in dire straights, and sold 3 of them, swearing he'd never sell his last one. Well, he listed that last XTC, and listed it for $2250 Firm. I was halfway there financially, and begged him to come down on the price.
I got him down to $2175, so I immediately listed ALL my amps for sale, and the second I had the money, I met him at my rehearsal space.

7 years later, and using it in a couple bands, as well as hearing all other comparable amps, I'm still convinced it's a design that can't be topped. It's the perfect EL-34 channel switching amp.

I really wish people wouldn't write hack-money central.com reviews based on their 10 minutes of playing it in a store. They simply don't know what the heck they're talking about when they have any criticism of it. Particularly the clean channel's supposed short comings. It doesn't have shortcomings....it's not a Blackface 6L6 Fender....it's a huge glassy EL-34 power section that can be manipulated in ANY way, just like the other 2 channels. For instance, If I played the amp in the store for 5 minutes, I wouldn't know that I can use the assignable presence knob to add more sparkle in the highs on either the green or red channel, while assigning the regular presence to the other 2.
I may not know that I can turn either the blue OR red channel into a plexi, leaving the other a more modern sound. I can make the clean channel sound glassy or tweedy.
I can make the blue channel anything from a clean plexi to Metallica. I can make the red channel anything from a clean plexi all the way to something that stomps a Rectifier into the dirt.
All those little switches on the front reconfigure the gain structure or EQ structure of each channel, so you can pinpoint the type of sound you're looking for specifically.

On my particular version, I can assign the channels to different cabs that turn on and off when I change channels......hit the clean, it goes to an open back. Hit the plexi, it goes to a greenback 4-12. Hit the red channel, it goes to a Vin 30 4-12.

Maybe I want it to sound more like a Vox or Dr. Z. I switch it to class A. I can run all 4 tubes in class A, or switch it to half power class A, so it's headroom is more like an 15W Bad Cat.
Lets say I want to mute the amp while I switch guitars....there's a standby on the footswitch.
There's a switch on the back for old/new voicing, which revoices the whole amp.
Also, there's an attenuator loop and line out. The only feature I don't have that some of the early XTC's had is a variac. Oh, one more thing....if a power tube fails, a red LED comes on, and 2 are shutoff, letting the amp continue to run on the remaining 2.

And with all these features and versatility, it doesn't strip the tone dry like a cheaper amp. Each channel sounds as good or better than a single channel amp. And the ground floor hiss is very low, compared to that type of gain coming out of a cheaper amp.....no noisegate needed. That's why they cost the big bucks, and that's why people pay it, and that's why the reviews are stellar, coming from players that have owned countless classic amps.

In my opinion, Reinhold Bogner is the greatest amplifier designer of all time, bar none.

**** dude, now i'm scared. haha. You really should be a salesman.....
 
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Don't do it............. you'll want it.

I own a Shiva 1 12" combo. It is the best channel switching amp I have played thru and it is perfect for what I do. The Xtracy hase another channel, so it could be more versatile, The Shiva does all I need. great cleans and really excellent drive. The Reverb is as good as any Fender if not better than I've played thru and I own a 67 Deluxe Reverb and a 68 Super Reverb, The Bogners is warmer and the decay is more natural.
 
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Dude,

Everything here is opinion. Guess what. When you're getting information from strangers on the internet, it's ALL hearsay!

He said, "you guys who have tried them, what do you think," not, "what have you heard other people say." He wanted a scientific answer. Hearsay is the opposite.

So you liked your XTC? Congrats on getting as off topic as I was! :eyecrazy: In case you didn't notice, the OP was a query about a Shiva. :rolleyes:

Title of thread: Tell me about Bogner....
He asked, "are they as amazing as everyone says."
All you did was say it's not true that everyone says that.

It probably never occurred to you that when someone is inquring about an expensive item they might appreciate a suggestion of a more affordable alternative.

Of course it did, because everyone does that, and it dilutes threads.

Folks like you are the reason why my ignore list is getting so freaking long. :rolleyes: Hopefully you'll take the clue and not bother responding 'cause I'm not gonna see it. :banghead:

That's too bad, because now you won't see me type AlecLee = a nipplehead who misinforms based on hearsay and dilutes threads to brag about his amp


It's times like this when I love me.
 
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He said, "you guys who have tried them, what do you think," not, "what have you heard other people say." He wanted a scientific answer. Hearsay is the opposite.

It's times like this when I love me.

Oh please cut the crap:gurmpy:, he is only offering his opinion, and yours isn't any bit more scientific.

As to the Bogner, I'd LOVE one, but the price is quite impressive
 
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