The Audience Doesn't Care What Pedals You Use

Agileguy_101

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So what? Why is this accepted as a valid excuse to not buy something?

My tone is for me, not the audience. I own up to that, hell I'm even proud of it. The only part that the audience cares about is whether or not they can hear the notes I'm playing. If how much the audience cared about your gear actually mattered, we'd all use Squier, Boss, and Peavey.
 
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I'm with you all the way, if I'm not happy with my gear or sound I'm probably not enjoying it.
 
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I think they like you to sound good, but I suspect they have little idea what that means in practice. Instinct says that sounding good is likely more down to the quality of the PA and the engineers' ability to mic and mix for a given venue.
 
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They may not be able to tell how much you paid for something, but they will be able to tell whether you sound bad, good or great.
 
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I've always hated when folks say this...

Personally I get inspired by the sound I hear coming from the speakers when I play.

I also agree with some_dude...the folks in the crowd might not know or care what amp, guitar or pedal you are using but folks do know when something sounds bad and they tend to not like it much.
 
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Personally I get inspired by the sound I hear coming from the speakers when I play.

This.

Is it wrong that I'm more inspired by my $250 Basic Audio muff than a cheap EHX offering? If so, who the **** cares? It's my money, not yours. You're free to spend your money on whatever cheap import POS (or even cheap domestic POS) if you want.
 
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At gigs i go to generally the audiences are other musicians so they do care. Often more times than the people playing.
 
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This.

Is it wrong that I'm more inspired by my $250 Basic Audio muff than a cheap EHX offering? If so, who the **** cares? It's my money, not yours. You're free to spend your money on whatever cheap import POS (or even cheap domestic POS) if you want.

I was with you until you called most of my pedals POS'..... :28:
 
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I thought the audience cared about getting another drink and getting laid.
 
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As long as you have a good haircut and sharp clothes you are halfway there already.
 
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I was with you until you called most of my pedals POS'..... :28:

If it works flawlessly for you, there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately for me, I am rather hard on my stuff. I stomp hard and inaccurately, and I've been known to damage my pedals on occasion. In my experience, pedals like Joyo, Behringer, and lower end pedals don't hold up to me. I only included domestically made POS's to cover all bases - I've had a few go bad (VFE, Voodoo, Diamond among others) on me. Not to say that they're bad pedals... maybe I've just got lead feet or something.
 
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If it works flawlessly for you, there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately for me, I am rather hard on my stuff. I stomp hard and inaccurately, and I've been known to damage my pedals on occasion. In my experience, pedals like Joyo, Behringer, and lower end pedals don't hold up to me. I only included domestically made POS's to cover all bases - I've had a few go bad (VFE, Voodoo, Diamond among others) on me. Not to say that they're bad pedals... maybe I've just got lead feet or something.

I know, I was just joking around. I just use stuff that works. I'm gassing hard for this right now.... its much much much better than any other reverb I've ever played.

 
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This.

Is it wrong that I'm more inspired by my $250 Basic Audio muff than a cheap EHX offering? If so, who the **** cares? It's my money, not yours. You're free to spend your money on whatever cheap import POS (or even cheap domestic POS) if you want.


This is how I see it most of the time on the forum. People trying to justify their budget, and feeling the need to compensate by saying things like "blues lawyer", "tube snob" and this latest "audience does not care" comment too. Typical case of the "have nots" jealous of the "haves" whether they want to admit to it or not.

I guarantee if one of these over-compensators won a $5K shopping spree at Sweetwater they wouldnt be buying epiphones, squiers, marshall mgs,fender frontmans, and cheap MIC clone pedals.
 
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I find it useful to qualify who it is that is actually saying what. There are few people of real influence and I think most of us can read above the din after years on the boards. Still in honesty it is the din created by such statements (and propagated by a certain mentality) that keeps some good contributing members and or potential members at a distance. At some point the din is so loud you just won't engage anymore. I appreciate the content of the this thread myself. It's a drop of clear water in a an often murky pond and its important to keep perceptions open and information in check.

Personally I find gear bashing of any kind to be a lack of understanding. Whether its bashing cheap or expensive gear it is pointless to me. Quality dialogue with the intent to understand the strengths or shortcomings of gear is another thing and really helps us. Or helping a newer / budget strapped player get the most out of his/her gear in order to stay inspired and encouraged. This develops the ear. All gear can be useful to someone at some point.

Or when discussing tone: phrases like 'blows 'XXX' out of the water'. Often seen when people are comparing two quality products or two similar products (high-end or / vs low end doesn't matter). I find any generalizations along those lines are really just a sign of posturing, lack of real-life experience or the attempt to become validated by ones 'opinion' or 'purchase' choice.

Gear 'over praise' or gear shortsighted-ness. Often seen when discussing the purchase of (or ownership of) less expensive gear / Asian vs. USA gear / expensive gear. Sure, some budget gear is very musical and some expensive gear sounds very un-musical, but that will never level the playing field. Its silly to see the argument made. A modded entry level guitar will never be a well crafted guitar...(its ability to generate good sound aside). A boutique hand-made pedal never guarantees better tone than a less expensive standard or budget gem. But cheaply made gear is never a benchmark or reference point when seeking excellence or subtle harmonic detail. On the flip side, high-expense or high-cost is never a benchmark for quality sound. As a whole however, I have seen that those who care enough to produce excellence in craftsmanship, whether pickups, pedals, guitars, pre-amps, etc.. generally have excellence of tone as their chief goal and they generally reach that goal. Budget gear will always be able to get the job done, sometime really well. That never qualifies it as equal gear just by default, it just makes it usable gear that can get the job done. This is true of all tools.

Also mis-understood and propagated is the ' not worth twice, three times the cost etc' comments often heard when comparing guitars or pedals or pickups. I find It's the 'not worth' part that is seldom understood by the average player (sometimes with little experience with the gear in question other than a demo at GC as a reference point). Double the price is not meant to be double the sound quality. At some point in our tone development this becomes a game of personal details. A game of inches towards our vision. Sure, alot of gear can cover the first 90% well but that is where it ends (I really believe the average player settles for 50% development anyway) It is that last 10% that may require greater attention to detail and personal refinement. To get an extra 5%-10% we may need to pay 300% more, sometimes not. This is very true in Pro Audio in my experience particularly. It's not a linear gain ratio but that percentage is often worth any cost increase.

Lastly, defending gear as being one specific way (for better or worse) simply based one's own limited auto-biographical experience, tonal needs (or context). So often we discount the experience, the knowledge, the needs, values and mindfulness of other players who are consciously paying attention to the details as well. Even some 'newbies' just have excellent ears for tone and know what is what when they hear it. Context and clarification goes a long way here to expand the conversation and prevent the closing off of great possibilities. Defending any position with gear is a dead end anyway. Clarifying, demonstrating, documenting, putting our opinions in context etc. this is too easy to do nowadays and so useful for advancing us as a community.

This is how I see it most of the time on the forum. People trying to justify their budget, and feeling the need to compensate by saying things like "blues lawyer", "tube snob" and this latest "audience does not care" comment too. Typical case of the "have nots" jealous of the "haves" whether they want to admit to it or not.

I guarantee if one of these over-compensators won a $5K shopping spree at Sweetwater they wouldnt be buying epiphones, squiers, marshall mgs,fender frontmans, and cheap MIC clone pedals.

100 % here.

Respect,

RG

EDIT: Long post. Thanks for reading. Cheers.
 
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I thought the audience cared about getting another drink and getting laid.

True, but if you have a large pedalboard full of the latest $300+ boutique stompboxes, the female members of audience will want to have another drink and get laid by you. Boss pedals do not have the same effect (no pun intended).
 
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I'm with you. I don't think the crowds really do care what gear you use overall. What matters to them is how the band sounds as a whole. Balance, can they hear the vocals, when a solo kicks in where does it sit in the mix. This is what I feel is important to the crowd. BUT what guitar, amp and stomp boxes I use contribute to this so they do care but not on a conscious level. We as guitar players tend to fret(no pun intended) about our tone way more then we should..... but we do!
 
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As long as it sounds relatively good, the audience doesn't care but they do notice when the tone completely sucks.
 
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At the Gates' Slaughter of the Soul - a Peavey Supreme with a Boss Metal Zone into a 4 x 12 cab with two busted speakers. You do what you can with what you have.

discusseed at 15:20 -

 
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I say, if it works for you, then it's all good. Someone like Agileguy can rock expensive stuff very well and at the same time not look down on anyone because they don't have a gorgeous board.

I find 0% wrong with knowing what you like and want. Good gear is special... heard to argue against it.

Good is sometimes cheap and sometimes expensive... generally the more money you spend, the higher quality you get in return... it's not rocket science.

I'm a blackface Fender guy... I'm not a snob, but I know what I like and know what I want out of an amplifier and they just totally deliver for me personally.

Cheap and effective gear is always a gas to own and use... no doubt about it. I grin from ear to ear whenever my Behringer powered mixer's fan starts up before a wedding ceremony because I know the mixer didn't cost much and has been in constant service for 6 years. It has been rained on multiple times, knocked into walls more times than I can remember and just plain run hot with all of the juice I can muster to amplify outdoor wedding ceremonies.

Behringer, Joyo, Squire, GFS, Xaviere, Agile etc are all effective... companies like ZOOM make some really capable gear. These might not be boutique brands but they pack a bang for the buck that just plain feels good.

I have the same taste in gear as Agileguy, so personally, I feel like he is using the absolute best gear that he or I can afford to buy. Am I going to settle on a univibe clone other than the Dry Bell? Probably not... I'll most likely even pass up the Sweetsound stuff at good prices to lay down a chunk for a Dry Bell (they make me want to weep that's how good they sound).

The audience is usually filled with misanthropes, underachievers and just generally incurious, uninterested and quite boring people... I couldn't care less what they think of much.

But the seven or eight musicians in the audience will be who I would be playing for... I don't do bar gigs, fairs, parties or the usual pathetic local gigs so luckily my audience is whoever is watching my videos and not who is about to spill his bear all over my pile of extension cords and extra cables.
 
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