The Great Cream Color Uprising (And Vintage White)

[house]

How many of you out there have been loyal to the Seymour Duncan line of Pick-ups but feel that the loyalty has not been extended back, due to the simple fact that Mr. Duncan has, for so many years, subjected us loyal customers to predominantly the colors of black and white. He has offered a select few PU's with cream color, and that teasing of a color scheme he calls Zebra. But nay do you see a Pearly Gates in vintage white, or a JB jr in cream.
I have tried Lacey, Fralin, and Di'Marzio, which a all well manufactured PU's, but when I tried Duncan's I found my sound. I have SD PU's and don't even have a guitar to put them in, I just wanted the PU's that bad! So if your as much a fan as I am, it is time for us to have our voices heard in MASS! Mr. Duncan needs to know that we, his bread and butter, would simply like more color options on the PU's. We need to start emailing in droves to the customer service department, and stop at know cost. And if need be, we'll send letters, videos, put stuff on YOU TUBE, what ever you can think of. I say unto you, be ye few or thou be ye many, ye who are tired of just plain old black and white, please, please, please take the time to email/contact The Seymour Duncan Factory, and tell them you would like cream not coffee. Thank you, HOUSE-OUT...

 

[crusty philtrum]

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Ummm .....

 

[idsnowdog]

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Direct your complaint to Mr. Dimarzio's company, because he holds the patent on double cream colored humbuckers. There is a legal injunction against the Seymour Duncan company producing double cream pickups and SD needs to pay a licensing fee to make them. So it's no great mystery why SD doesn't make them. But I'm sure you could have figured this out by using the search function before going of on a pissant tirade.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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Sorry but I doubt there are droves of people dying to get cream colored pickups. Sure on this forum you will find some that want them but in the grand scheme of things far far far more black pickups are made. Even in dimarzios if you walk into a shop and see whats on the shelf there might be a cream or zebra bucker here and there but the majority arent.

Even then your voicing your complaint in the wrong direction. But I doubt complaints in either direction will get too much of a response.

Though iam curious.. how did you try pickups when you dont even have a guitar to put them in? Even then its an absurd purchase. Thats like buying new wheels and tires for the car you dont own yet. Could have saved a hundred bucks twords getting a guitar. But i guess if you get your jollies fumbling around with a plastic case and dreaming of the day when you will install it then its ok.
But i get the feeling your more just trying to stir up crap.

 

[IanBallard]

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How many of you out there have been loyal to the Seymour Duncan line of Pick-ups but feel that the loyalty has not been extended back, due to the simple fact that Mr. Duncan has, for so many years, subjected us loyal customers to predominantly the colors of black and white. He has offered a select few PU's with cream color, and that teasing of a color scheme he calls Zebra.

As the above post said, DiMarzio having consistently abused the "intellectual property laws" make it hard for other companies to produce double-cream.

First off, SD didn't invent "zebra" or "reverse zebra". Gibson used black and white bobbins randomly in the late 50's and often the result was a mismatched set of coils that were black and white. "Cream" was the result of years of smoke, dirt and sweat coloring the white bobbins slightly. Many of the old PAF's, "pre-AF's" and "PAT #" pickups that were under nickel covers were "double cream" after years of aging from what was originally two white bobbins. Honestly you should be pissed off at DiMarzio for abusing the laws, by simply beating Gibson and SD to the punch and trademarking "double cream" bobbins.

You can however, buy them from the Custom Shop, since the legal injunction stipulates mass-production and marketing of the color scheme.

 

[idsnowdog]

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Smaller manufacturers could probably eat the cost of paying IPR fees since they don't produce large numbers of pickups. Dimarzio may not even bother trying to enforce their patent against small manufacturers since they don't consider them a threat. But when you produce thousands of pickups the IPR fees add up.

 

[house]

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Well, well, well. Idsnowdog, I had no knowledge of the Legal Injunction against
SD. If I was aware of it, I would have not went on a Pissant Tirade as you stated, and not have wasted my time on the topic. I would like to apologize to you for causing you to stop out of your busy day to go on a Pissant Tirade upon me, whom as I stated prior, was unaware of the legal situation between the two companies. Sorry...
Edgecrusher, I asked if anyone felt the way I felt as far as the color issue, not what you doutbed. I was looking for the positive, but I take it you prefer a mean spirited manner. And the last time I seen crap being stirred up was when I was in Iraq, and that was a ****ty (pardon the pun) duty to get stuck on. Oh, as far as knowing what PU's I wanted, I went to the audio sampler on the SD web site. It's pretty handy. I'd also like to apologize to you for wasting your time to attack me. My bad...
IanBallard, thanks for the history lesson.
Well gentleman, me being new to this forum, I now have a good first impression of the response I may be encountering. I must say I'm rather disappointed. I guess it would be best that I go else where and not waste your time with my CRAP STIRRING or PISSANT TIRADES as you fellows say. Good day to you all...

 

[Gplayerzzz]

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0/10

 

[trevorus]

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Well this went south entirely too fast.

 

[idsnowdog]

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Well gentleman, me being new to this forum, I now have a good first impression of the response I may be encountering. I must say I'm rather disappointed. I guess it would be best that I go else where and not waste your time with my CRAP STIRRING or PISSANT TIRADES as you fellows say. Good day to you all...

We are not always kind to strangers which is an acknowledged character flaw of this forum for which we apologize. However you should be aware that there have been a lot of people who post intentionally inflammatory material just looking for an argument. Usually they don't last very long and they return in a bewildering number of guises. If you have questions, we have answers just beware that your line of reasoning will be scrutinized due to previous bad actors.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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No that dog aint gonna hunt. If you had come in here and asked "why doesnt SD make cream pickups" then simple friendly answers would have ensued.

Im sorry but thats not what you did. You came in and made a rallying cry for your cause. if you want people to fall in behind you would seem that you would understand why people might voice opposing views or question your motivations.

 

[Funkfingers]

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Gibson used black and white bobbins randomly in the late 50's and often the result was a mismatched set of coils that were black and white. "Cream" was the result of years of smoke, dirt and sweat coloring the white bobbins slightly.

Not strictly true.

Gibson originally specified black from Hughes Plastics. At some point, the supply of black pigment ran short. Hughes contacted Gibson to ask whether undyed plastic would be acceptable to meet an order. Gibson said yes. (The bobbins were going to be covered. Who would ever find out?)

You are correct to say that the mismatched bobbins were used in an entirely random manner. Whatever came out of the parts bin first is what got used.

The cream, off-white, call it what you like colour was the natural undyed colour of the base plastic material. This lack of pigmentation only came to light when a fashion began for decovering. (Probably the fault of Michael Bloomfield.) Some people decided that they liked the mixed colours. Hey, presto! A new marketing phenomenon.

 

[house]

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"Though I am curious.. how did you try pickups when you dont even have a guitar to put them in? Even then its an absurd purchase. Thats like buying new wheels and tires for the car you dont own yet. Could have saved a hundred bucks twords getting a guitar. But i guess if you get your jollies fumbling around with a plastic case and dreaming of the day when you will install it then its ok.
But i get the feeling your more just trying to stir up crap." -Edgecrusher

So what you are saying is attack a persons feelings, freedom of speech and the right of assembly? C'mon man, you can do better than that. At lest Idsnowdog explained the going on's to me, and I got an understanding. But you'er still holding fast to the deep bitterness within you like a pit-bull raised by the KKK. Damn Bro, "Can't we all just get along?"

 

[IanBallard]

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You have no "freedom of speech" on a privately owned message board, using privately owned internet services, etc.

The first Amendment protects citizens from CONGRESS or the government abridging their freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc. This whining about "Oh, you're repressing rights" on MESSAGE BOARDS is pure comic gold.

Besides, your TONE and METHOD is what put you in the troll category. "Hey what's the deal with Seymour Duncan not offering double-cream bobbins?" Would have had a much different response on ANY forum.

 

[Funkfingers]

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So what you are saying is attack a persons feelings, freedom of speech and the right of assembly?

Assembly? This is an Internet forum. A self-selecting collection of guitar/pickup enthusiasts, spread across several continents. Assembly, per se, would be tricky.

I am in the UK. I have no constitutional Freedom Of Speech for the simple reason that my country has no written constitution. Of course, I could simply arrange the letters CFFFKOU into a well-known phrase or saying but somebody in the USA would censor it. Ironic, innit?

a pit-bull raised by the KKK.

Political!!! Anyway, "The KKK Took My Baby Away"

"Can't we all just get along?"

Depends.

 

[house]

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WHY DOESN'T SEYMOUR DUNCAN MAKE CREAM OR VINTAGE WHITE PICK-PUS?

 

[Funkfingers]

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LARRY DiMARZIO "OWNS" THE DOUBLE CREAM/CREME BOBBIN IDEA.

VINTAGE WHITE IS A FENDER/DuPONT GUITAR PAINT COLOUR.

Where's Aceman when we need him? :grumble:

(Apologies to regular members for shouting.)

 

[IanBallard]

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[Funkfingers]

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All that this thread needs now is a reference to Austria's most famous failed watercolour painter.

 

[house]

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LARRY DiMARZIO "OWNS" THE DOUBLE CREAM/CREME BOBBIN IDEA.

VINTAGE WHITE IS A FENDER/DuPONT GUITAR PAINT COLOUR.

Where's Aceman when we need him? :grumble:

(Apologies to regular members for shouting.)

Umm. Now that that's over with, I've decided to stick around for ghits and siggles, and to ask you gentleman a whole bunch of questions. Good afternoon people,
my name is "HOUSE..."