The Old Dear's Circuit Surgery

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I thought I remembered you saying the pickups were stock, but maybe I misheard what you said.
Did you choose the SSL-5/SSL-1/SSL-1 set, or was it in there when you got it? I'd be curious to know if those were production wound by then, or if MJ or Seymour wound them. Any signatures on the backs?

I agree that the best setup for a strat is to strip it all down to vintage spec pickups, CTS pots, and no other clutter. My recipe is usually alder, rosewood, Surfers, and Eric Johnson wiring. (2nd tone on bridge). And toss the spring cover.
 
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I've been doing electronics for as long as i've played guitar (40+ years) and i make no claims to being a tech or a musician or anything else. But i've learnt a lot and formed a lot of opinions. The biggest being ... keep things simple. The best sonic qualities come from simplicity, as do reliability and durability.

My personal (and therefore likely worthless) opinion here is that it is past time you took the old gal from two-dimensional sound to three-dimensional sound* by using scatterwound pickups. I've installed many single-coil scatterwound pickups (various brands) into many Strats and Teles (for myself and others) and it has always been a fantastic improvement if the instrument is a good one to begin with. And they seem to be exactly what valve amps want to see at their input.

* When i say 'the third dimension', the new dimension is probably more about the response of the instrument to the player than massive audible differences to typical audience/ venue. But that response can bring an entirely deeper connection between player and instrument (particularly the 'open-ness' and 'touch factor' on Strats) and that lifts the playing, and THAT will get noticed anywhere.

If a guitar sings well, it deserves a great mic (pickups) to sing into. If you ever want to try the effect, I could lend you a set of BKP Mother's Milk (flat poles, better string balance for anything but vintage radius boards). Once you hear/ feel your guitar via scatterwound coils, it's almost impossible to go back to the flat, two-dimensional version.



sent from 1974 by the magic of the woodland creatures. I don't know where I'd be without those guys and gals.
 
Re: The Old Dear's Circuit Surgery

I thought I remembered you saying the pickups were stock, but maybe I misheard what you said.
Did you choose the SSL-5/SSL-1/SSL-1 set, or was it in there when you got it? I'd be curious to know if those were production wound by then, or if MJ or Seymour wound them. Any signatures on the backs?

I agree that the best setup for a strat is to strip it all down to vintage spec pickups, CTS pots, and no other clutter. My recipe is usually alder, rosewood, Surfers, and Eric Johnson wiring. (2nd tone on bridge). And toss the spring cover.

No, the Duncans have been in there since around '85, and the SSL1/5 combination was suggested by my guitar tech at the time. I really like the SSL5 in the bridge, I think it goes a long way toward making the Strat bridge a totally usable position, with more output and a warmer tone from the extra winds. It also adds some muscle to the middle/bridge combination. No signatures or signs of anything other than production wound pickups. I have a couple of Antiquities and a custom shop MJ bridge pickup that Seymour sent me after I helped he and Evan with the Melbourne SDUG day in 2006. I tried them in the guitar, but I actually preferred the old SSL1/5 combination, in part through familiarity.



Cheers............................. wahwah
 
Re: The Old Dear's Circuit Surgery

I've been doing electronics for as long as i've played guitar (40+ years) and i make no claims to being a tech or a musician or anything else. But i've learnt a lot and formed a lot of opinions. The biggest being ... keep things simple. The best sonic qualities come from simplicity, as do reliability and durability.

My personal (and therefore likely worthless) opinion here is that it is past time you took the old gal from two-dimensional sound to three-dimensional sound* by using scatterwound pickups. I've installed many single-coil scatterwound pickups (various brands) into many Strats and Teles (for myself and others) and it has always been a fantastic improvement if the instrument is a good one to begin with. And they seem to be exactly what valve amps want to see at their input.

* When i say 'the third dimension', the new dimension is probably more about the response of the instrument to the player than massive audible differences to typical audience/ venue. But that response can bring an entirely deeper connection between player and instrument (particularly the 'open-ness' and 'touch factor' on Strats) and that lifts the playing, and THAT will get noticed anywhere.

If a guitar sings well, it deserves a great mic (pickups) to sing into. If you ever want to try the effect, I could lend you a set of BKP Mother's Milk (flat poles, better string balance for anything but vintage radius boards). Once you hear/ feel your guitar via scatterwound coils, it's almost impossible to go back to the flat, two-dimensional version.



sent from 1974 by the magic of the woodland creatures. I don't know where I'd be without those guys and gals.

Interesting thoughts Neil, and I appreciate the offer of trying the Bare Knuckles. I think if I was going to pursue the scatter wound concept I would try dropping a set of Rod McQueen's Sliders pickups in the guitar. I've heard them in both Ian Moss and Diesel's guitars, and I have access to a pre loaded scratch plate from Diesel's tech should I ever want to try them. Certainly food for thought, I would like to hear what they do.



Cheers........................... wahwah
 
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^ The Slider range of pickups are made here in Australia I believe ? There are so many small pickup winding concerns now, and so many good and great ones. Overall, I think any decent-sounding Strat pickup that has been scatterwound will give the desired Strat sounds but with the difficult-to-define qualities that i refer to as 'the third dimension'.

But ultimately it's about what makes the player happy, because a happy player is surely going to be more deeply invested in what they're doing, and so probably doing it better. I have one or two really nice guitars that don't get played much, as i always seem to gravitate to a couple of old, beat-up hunks of junk because of sentimental value. Because they're old, there's something about the response of the wood, and the scatterwound pickups just seem to love bringing out those qualities to the amp and speakers. Because they've been with me for a very long time, they're like diaries of a big part of my life to some degree.

And in that light, perhaps regular production pickups make the old guitars like photograph albums, whereas the scatterwound pickups make them more like reminiscing about those old times with the actual people who were involved. But once we're talking about guitars that have been a part of our lives for years and even decades, some of the logic and sensibilities may get overtaken by sentiment, and i feel there's nothing wrong with that, in fact i think it's something to celebrate.

On the subject of simplicity (relating here to having the Old Dear rewired back to a simple form), I've long felt that sonic purity gets compromised as the circuitry becomes more complex in almost any sonic electronics. Back in the '70s i tried many of the then new-fangled wiring setups with added switches and controls, but to my mind, they almost always seemed to take a little something away from the core qualities of the basic configuration.

Hehe, here's a little story to illustrate the point in some way ...

Years ago I went to visit an old friend up in NSW. He had an old '60s valve PA amp in a metal cage, maybe 15 watts at most. He had played guitar through it, but it hadn't been very successful. It had it's circuit diagram glued inside it's baseplate. We sat down one night and i started removing components, and every step of the way, we'd fire it up and listen. As the evening progressed, the pile of removed components grew bigger, and there was less and less remaining inside the amp, which just sounded better and better as i removed parts. Eventually it got to a stage where i had to say "That's it .... if i remove one more part, the amp won't work at all". At that stage, the amp was sounding fantastic for guitar, and my friend was amazed that the more we took out, the better it got (there were way more parts on the table than there were in the chasis at that point).

It was a fun and very funny night, but it was also very illuminating in terms of the 'simple is good' mantra.
 
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Yes, the Sliders are made in Sydney and sound fantastic in every guitar I've heard them in. I would certainly be keen to try them in the old Strat. http://sliderspickups.com/



Cheers............................. wahwah
 
Re: The Old Dear's Circuit Surgery

^ The Slider range of pickups are made here in Australia I believe ? There are so many small pickup winding concerns now, and so many good and great ones. Overall, I think any decent-sounding Strat pickup that has been scatterwound will give the desired Strat sounds but with the difficult-to-define qualities that i refer to as 'the third dimension'.

But ultimately it's about what makes the player happy, because a happy player is surely going to be more deeply invested in what they're doing, and so probably doing it better. I have one or two really nice guitars that don't get played much, as i always seem to gravitate to a couple of old, beat-up hunks of junk because of sentimental value. Because they're old, there's something about the response of the wood, and the scatterwound pickups just seem to love bringing out those qualities to the amp and speakers. Because they've been with me for a very long time, they're like diaries of a big part of my life to some degree.

And in that light, perhaps regular production pickups make the old guitars like photograph albums, whereas the scatterwound pickups make them more like reminiscing about those old times with the actual people who were involved. But once we're talking about guitars that have been a part of our lives for years and even decades, some of the logic and sensibilities may get overtaken by sentiment, and i feel there's nothing wrong with that, in fact i think it's something to celebrate.

On the subject of simplicity (relating here to having the Old Dear rewired back to a simple form), I've long felt that sonic purity gets compromised as the circuitry becomes more complex in almost any sonic electronics. Back in the '70s i tried many of the then new-fangled wiring setups with added switches and controls, but to my mind, they almost always seemed to take a little something away from the core qualities of the basic configuration.

Hehe, here's a little story to illustrate the point in some way ...

Years ago I went to visit an old friend up in NSW. He had an old '60s valve PA amp in a metal cage, maybe 15 watts at most. He had played guitar through it, but it hadn't been very successful. It had it's circuit diagram glued inside it's baseplate. We sat down one night and i started removing components, and every step of the way, we'd fire it up and listen. As the evening progressed, the pile of removed components grew bigger, and there was less and less remaining inside the amp, which just sounded better and better as i removed parts. Eventually it got to a stage where i had to say "That's it .... if i remove one more part, the amp won't work at all". At that stage, the amp was sounding fantastic for guitar, and my friend was amazed that the more we took out, the better it got (there were way more parts on the table than there were in the chasis at that point).

It was a fun and very funny night, but it was also very illuminating in terms of the 'simple is good' mantra.

wow, awesome introspection as per usual..hmm, must be something in the water down there. Could you please send me a gallon..I'll pay shipping of course.
 
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