Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Oh the original pickguard is a total joke just beggin to get modded away
Oh the original pickguard is a total joke just beggin to get modded away
'The Paul' is coming back
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Mark Cearlock
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NegativeEase
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
I love "The Paul" guitars -it's a Les Paul ready for a bar show -all the fun, none of the guilt. I'm not sure what the stock pickups were -but mine had a 57 reissue in bridge by the time I got it.
I love "The Paul" guitars -it's a Les Paul ready for a bar show -all the fun, none of the guilt. I'm not sure what the stock pickups were -but mine had a 57 reissue in bridge by the time I got it.
ibanezrocks
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Needs a tummy cut to go with the forearm contour, then design a new straight pull headstock, give it a decent finish, have locking tuners and strap locks stock and you'd finally have a modern player's guitar
Also move the damn pickup switch to its original location or at least an SG like location
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Needs a tummy cut to go with the forearm contour, then design a new straight pull headstock, give it a decent finish, have locking tuners and strap locks stock and you'd finally have a modern player's guitar
Also move the damn pickup switch to its original location or at least an SG like location
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BadHairDayologist
Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
There's nothing wrong with LIKING them, but for $1300 you can buy a used Les Paul Traditional instead of a new remake of a $500 guitar.
There's nothing wrong with LIKING them, but for $1300 you can buy a used Les Paul Traditional instead of a new remake of a $500 guitar.
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BadHairDayologist
Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gibson/Les-Paul-Classic-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-114830505.gc
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gibson/2013-Les-Paul-Traditional-Pro-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar.gc
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gibson/2017-2017-Les-Paul-Classic-T-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar.gc
I can do this all day.
The Paul is a cool guitar for $500. Its a stupid decision for $1399.
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gibson/Les-Paul-Classic-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-114830505.gc
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gibson/2013-Les-Paul-Traditional-Pro-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar.gc
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Gibson/2017-2017-Les-Paul-Classic-T-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar.gc
I can do this all day.
The Paul is a cool guitar for $500. Its a stupid decision for $1399.
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BadHairDayologist
Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Right. Every guitar maker's biggest competitor is their own product on the used market. This is a ridiculous guitar to try to sell when Les Paul Studio Faded models are the same thing but MORE like real Les Paul's and you can buy them used for $500 all day.
I love Gibson's products but I'm giving up on their management. Rich people don't know how to sell to average people.
Right. Every guitar maker's biggest competitor is their own product on the used market. This is a ridiculous guitar to try to sell when Les Paul Studio Faded models are the same thing but MORE like real Les Paul's and you can buy them used for $500 all day.
I love Gibson's products but I'm giving up on their management. Rich people don't know how to sell to average people.
Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Or add a couple hundred bucks and buy a new E-II Eclipse.
Amd half the price difference is the included-with-purchase hardshell.
Or add a couple hundred bucks and buy a new E-II Eclipse.
Amd half the price difference is the included-with-purchase hardshell.
gilt.suspect
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
There's a nice one for sale on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2096635900364849
There's a nice one for sale on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2096635900364849
voggin
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Over the last couple of years, there seems to have been an increase in interest in these in the used market, if internet sites are anything to go by. So this might be a good move by Gibson to try to catch that wave.
I'd personally be more inclined to buy a used original one, if I could find it, but I'm cheap and always buy used. But there are a lot of people who like buying new/being the first owner of things, and they are willing to pay more for that.
Hope one comes into one of my local shops. I have some very specific and fond memories of these in shops when I was a kid. I bet there are guys my age (50) who aren't as cheap as me who might have the same nostalgia and pick one up. I bought a crap import when I was 12 or 13 because I couldn't stretch to a Paul. But I always had a certain remorse that I wasn't patient enough to save for one. Deluxes and Standards were waaayyyyy out of my league at the time, but there was something about a "The Paul" that seemed at least theoretically in reach.
Damn. Unfulfilled longings of youth still sting!
Over the last couple of years, there seems to have been an increase in interest in these in the used market, if internet sites are anything to go by. So this might be a good move by Gibson to try to catch that wave.
I'd personally be more inclined to buy a used original one, if I could find it, but I'm cheap and always buy used. But there are a lot of people who like buying new/being the first owner of things, and they are willing to pay more for that.
Hope one comes into one of my local shops. I have some very specific and fond memories of these in shops when I was a kid. I bet there are guys my age (50) who aren't as cheap as me who might have the same nostalgia and pick one up. I bought a crap import when I was 12 or 13 because I couldn't stretch to a Paul. But I always had a certain remorse that I wasn't patient enough to save for one. Deluxes and Standards were waaayyyyy out of my league at the time, but there was something about a "The Paul" that seemed at least theoretically in reach.
Damn. Unfulfilled longings of youth still sting!
eclecticsynergy
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
I'm confused by some of the comments about pickguards - AFAIK the original had NO pickguard, right?
I'm confused by some of the comments about pickguards - AFAIK the original had NO pickguard, right?
eclecticsynergy
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Here's my take on it: the originals play quite well and sound surprisingly massive for a thin body guitar, nothing like an SG or even a Special.IMO the reissues are definitely overpriced.
It's not so much about the walnut, what makes the originals such a good sleeper deal is the real ebony board, long tenon neck and T-tops. None of which are present on the reissues.
Here's my take on it: the originals play quite well and sound surprisingly massive for a thin body guitar, nothing like an SG or even a Special.IMO the reissues are definitely overpriced.
It's not so much about the walnut, what makes the originals such a good sleeper deal is the real ebony board, long tenon neck and T-tops. None of which are present on the reissues.
Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Gibson M-III offtopic tangent, not The Paul
Fun shredder, but... Candidate for Tackiest. Pickguard. Ever.
Patterned after a fat housewife's get-lucky battle panties, info verified 100%.
Gibson M-III offtopic tangent, not The Paul
Fun shredder, but... Candidate for Tackiest. Pickguard. Ever.
Patterned after a fat housewife's get-lucky battle panties, info verified 100%.
Sirion
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Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Eh… I don't think anybody buying this is going to be after 'real Les Paul's [sic]', as you call them. That is the Achilles heel of your analysis. In fact, if Gibson wants to avoid competing with their own used market, I would argue that this is probably one of the smarter models they could have reissued, since it has a vintage cool of its own and a cadre of devotees (just look at this thread!), yet it is relatively uncommon on the used market: there are currently three on Reverb, with the cheapest one clocking in at about 800$ before shipping and taxes. Once you stop looking at the fictional retail price and look at what the actual prices, the whole thing seems a lot more reasonable.
What is going to make this float or sink in my opinion is the build quality: will Gibson be able to make their instruments more consistent out of the factory? If the change in leadership can turn around the company and make their guitars more consistent, I don't think this is going to be the worst thing they could have done.
Eh… I don't think anybody buying this is going to be after 'real Les Paul's [sic]', as you call them. That is the Achilles heel of your analysis. In fact, if Gibson wants to avoid competing with their own used market, I would argue that this is probably one of the smarter models they could have reissued, since it has a vintage cool of its own and a cadre of devotees (just look at this thread!), yet it is relatively uncommon on the used market: there are currently three on Reverb, with the cheapest one clocking in at about 800$ before shipping and taxes. Once you stop looking at the fictional retail price and look at what the actual prices, the whole thing seems a lot more reasonable.
What is going to make this float or sink in my opinion is the build quality: will Gibson be able to make their instruments more consistent out of the factory? If the change in leadership can turn around the company and make their guitars more consistent, I don't think this is going to be the worst thing they could have done.
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BadHairDayologist
Re: 'The Paul' is coming back
Good points, sure, but you can still buy a vintage The Paul for less than this reissue, so the reissue is still stupid.
Good points, sure, but you can still buy a vintage The Paul for less than this reissue, so the reissue is still stupid.
