'The Paul' is coming back

[Aceman]

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Hah I love when a boomer calls me a dumbass and then is wrong. Thanks, Ace. Keep up the good work.

Hey - man, we all make mistakes in the middle of a good spout off. Balls enough to say it how I see/feel it, man enough to admit the mistake. BOOM! Boomers for the win!

 

[formula73]

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Ace does not represent ANY generation, boomers or otherwise, kid.

 

[Dave Locher]

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Hey - man, we all make mistakes in the middle of a good spout off. Balls enough to say it how I see/feel it, man enough to admit the mistake. BOOM! Boomers for the win!

Well, I think you also may have called me an idiot for asking about the sound of walnut, referred me to the Warmoth site (which I have read, along with other sites that describe the sound of walnut very differently), and then gave your own description that is not the same as Warmoth's. So you were swinging pretty wide on that one, man, balls and all.

 

[Blille]

'The Paul' is coming back

Sweetwater seems to be making the error here actually.....the Gibson website has the price at $1399....and they never show any discounts

Sweetwater and the other three websites? [emoji4]

Nope.

Here is AMS. Same thing.

Just check the prices for 2019 Gibsons on their website and in retailers. They seem to be using MAP instead of MSRP in their website.

I’ll help you out and put one to get you started.

2019 LP Studio. $1,699 on both the Gibson website and GC.

 

[AlexR]

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^ Thats making my point.....not that I doubt you, but show me one that has MSRP in as well as the Gibson website one as the GC doesn't seem to have it - and no, when I look at these sites they all want to say can't ship to where I am so I get no details.

 

[Blille]

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^ Thats making my point.....not that I doubt you, but show me one that has MSRP in as well as the Gibson website one as the GC doesn't seem to have it - and no, when I look at these sites they all want to say can't ship to where I am so I get no details.

Not sure what your point is. That Gibson shows MSRP in their website?

 

[Aceman]

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So - $60% off IS about right.

However...in true Gibson fashion, 2329.00 is soooo wrong!

If they sold those at 1300 and "street" for $1000, the EPA would end up involved for a Walnut shortage.

 

[chadd]

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Basically Gibson has stopped showing MSRP on their website and now lists MAP (minimum advertised price). As a retailer, I actually liked manufacturers that used MAP pricing (different industry). It allowed everyone to sell at a profitable price point without someone who was getting max volume discounts from selling below another retailer's wholesale price. Dealers could still sell cheaper in store if they wanted, they couldn't hurt other dealers that way

 

[Francois]

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And so which pickups would suit the particular tonal quality of a 100% guitar ?

I have no idea... a Full Shred ? a P-90 ?

 

[Chistopher]

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And so which pickups would suit the particular tonal quality of a 100% guitar ?

I have no idea... a Full Shred ? a P-90 ?

It would depend on the guitar. Even knowing the wood, scale length, and construction of a guitar, it's still a guessing game if you've never played it.

 

[LLL]

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100% pass.

Pass on the ugly ass overpriced walnut Gibsons, and pass on the thread cock-measuring.

(And what's this "Boomer" ****? Unless you were born in '64 or earlier, you're not a Baby Boomer)

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/baby_boomer.asp

EDIT: Les Paul Studio for $1700? In 2013 you could get a Standard (traditional) for $1600.

It's called "B U L L S H I T !"

 

[Mincer]

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Yeah, if you got something like 'The Paul' with its walnut body, I'd want to play it for a few weeks since I am not super familiar with owning a walnut guitar. I would like to know what it sounds like, so if there are any 'issues', a pickup swap might fix it.

 

[Darg1911]

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100% pass.

Pass on the ugly ass overpriced walnut Gibsons, and pass on the thread cock-measuring.

(And what's this "Boomer" ****? Unless you were born in '64 or earlier, you're not a Baby Boomer)

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/baby_boomer.asp

Les Paul Studio for $1700? In 2013 you could get a Standard (traditional) for $1300.

It's called "B U L L S H I T !"

The Traditionals were $2250 in 2013. They are $2800 for 2019. They jacked the price on the 2015 models with the G-force crap. Then brought them back down for 2016 and 2017 and then jacked them back up last year. But regardless, a Traditional wasn't MSRP'd or MAP'd at anywhere near $1300 in 2013.

 

[LLL]

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The Traditionals were $2250 in 2013. They are $2800 for 2019. They jacked the price on the 2015 models with the G-force crap. Then brought them back down for 2016 and 2017 and then jacked them back up last year. But regardless, a Traditional wasn't MSRP'd or MAP'd at anywhere near $1300 in 2013.

(correction on price - $1600 not $1300)

Not MSRP/MAP - but "street" price. I bought a new 2013 Trad for $1600.00 (street price)

 

[Darg1911]

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(correction on price - $1600 not $1300)

Not MSRP/MAP - but "street" price. I bought a new 2013 Trad for $1600.00 (street price)

That's fair enough but then it's not exactly fair for you to quote the $1700 MSRP/MAP on the 2019 Studio for comparison.

 

[LLL]

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That's fair enough but then it's not exactly fair for you to quote the $1700 MSRP/MAP on the 2019 Studio for comparison.

Saw this LP Studio street price pic (post #85) in the thread:

Sweetwater also sells em (street price) for $1700:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPST19MQCH--gibson-les-paul-studio-2019-bbq-burst

Street price again, not MSRP/MAP

So, using street price only:

new 2013 LP Standard Traditional = $1600
new 2019 LP Studio = $1700

6 years later the LP Studio is more expensive than the LP Std Trad?

I don't have the actual numbers, but it seems they raise prices by $100-200-300 every year.

In other words, more "bend over and take it because we're Gibson" - nothing's changed.

Be curious to know street price on 2013 LP Studio when they were new...

 

[Darg1911]

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Saw this LP Studio street price pic (post #85) in the thread:

Sweetwater also sells em (street price) for $1700:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPST19MQCH--gibson-les-paul-studio-2019-bbq-burst

Street price again, not MSRP/MAP

So, using street price only:

new 2013 LP Standard Traditional = $1600
new 2019 LP Studio = $1700

6 years later the LP Studio is more expensive than the LP Std Trad?

I don't have the actual numbers, but it seems they raise prices by $100-200-300 every year.

In other words, more "bend over and take it because we're Gibson" - nothing's changed.

Be curious to know street price on 2013 LP Studio when they were new...

That's not truly a "street price". That's MAP.
Not that the big online dealers or GC brick and mortar stores are big on discounts anyway but they cannot advertise new Gibson stuff below Gibson's MAP. You also often see the dealers advertise the MAP price as some reduction from the MSRP which is generally several hundred dollars higher than MAP. MAP on the 2013 Traditional was $2250. It just was, regardless of what you paid for yours.

 

[LLL]

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Regardless of the semantics of price terminology - this is my point and question about the whole spiel:

new 2013 LP Standard Traditional = $1600
new 2019 LP Studio = $1700

6 years later the LP Studio is more expensive than the LP Std Trad?

Or, to be precise, a new 2019 LP Studio is more expensive than a new 2013 LP Std Trad.

 

[Darg1911]

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Regardless of the semantics of price terminology - this is my point and question about the whole spiel:




Or, to be precise, a new 2019 LP Studio is more expensive than a new 2013 LP Std Trad.

No, that's not precise. What's precise is that YOU paid less for a 2013 LP Traditional than the advertised price (MAP) of a 2019 LP Studio.

 

[Blille]

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The specs are also not necessarily apples to apples either right? 2019 studios have a bound neck and earlier don’t, correct? Not sure if there are any other differences.