Treble bleed?

[Gypsyblue]

Re: Treble bleed?

50s wiring works for me -- I do it on all my Gibsons, strats, and teles.

Me too. And I can hear the improvement in clarity quite clearly. Don't know what the problem could be with those who don't hear that improvement in clarity - they must NEVER play clearly I guess. :fingersx:

 

[papersoul]

Re: Treble bleed?

Me too. And I can hear the improvement in clarity quite clearly. Don't know what the problem could be with those who don't hear that improvement in clarity - they must NEVER play clearly I guess. :fingersx:

You won't hear a difference in a band setting.

 

[Gypsyblue]

Re: Treble bleed?

You won't hear a difference in a band setting.

Maybe YOU won't. I do. :fingersx: And what I hear is that I can turn my guitar's volume controls down to below "5" and I can strum chords and maintain nice note separation without the sound turning to dull sounding mud. But I get the impression I like to play cleaner than most here on the forum when I'm playing chords. I play a lot of acoustic guitar too.

 

[papersoul]

Re: Treble bleed?

Whatever.....
With modern wiring I get the same thing, note separation and clarity. You just need better pickups and a good quality pot. Nice benefit of modern wiring is the tone is a touch warmer when turning down......no lose of clarity.

 

[ericmeyer4]

Re: Treble bleed?

50s vs Treble Bleed vs Modern - I can tell a difference in all three.

With the 50s or a TB I can tell it keeps the high-end more than the modern wiring; however, I also noticed a change in the taper characteristics. In terms of 50s or TB keeping more high-end I couldn't tell a difference, but I did feel that the TB had a volume taper that was closer to standard wiring.

Its a trade off with everything. Keep high end and give up some of the volume control or keep the volume control and loose some high-end. For me I preferred the high-end.

 

[Gypsyblue]

Re: Treble bleed?

50s vs Treble Bleed vs Modern - I can tell a difference in all three.

With the 50s or a TB I can tell it keeps the high-end more than the modern wiring; however, I also noticed a change in the taper characteristics. In terms of 50s or TB keeping more high-end I couldn't tell a difference, but I did feel that the TB had a volume taper that was closer to standard wiring.

Its a trade off with everything. Keep high end and give up some of the volume control or keep the volume control and loose some high-end. For me I preferred the high-end.

I'm with you Eric. I can hear the difference between all three methods too.

I can believe that not everyone would find the 50's mod useful tho, especially those who rarely, if ever, play cleanish rhythm.

But for those who like to use chords other than buzzy power V chords with no 3rd, the improvement in note separation that the 50's mod affords to more harmonically advanced chord voicings is very useful when the guitar's volume knob is reduced to it's lower range in order to clean up the signal.

All Hamer guitars used to be wired with the 50's mod: the tone pot was connected to the output jack in all of those Sunbursts and Studio guitars. Jol Dantzig is one of my favorite guitar designers and techs and he sure believes in the 50's mod.

To each his own though.

 

[ericmeyer4]

Re: Treble bleed?

I'm with you Eric. I can hear the difference between all three methods too.

I can believe that not everyone would find the 50's mod useful tho, especially those who rarely, if ever, play cleanish rhythm.

But for those who like to use chords other than buzzy power V chords with no 3rd, the improvement in note separation that the 50's mod affords to more harmonically advanced chord voicings is very useful when the guitar's volume knob is reduced to it's lower range in order to clean up the signal.

All Hamer guitars used to be wired with the 50's mod: the tone pot was connected to the output jack in all of those Sunbursts and Studio guitars. Jol Dantzig is one of my favorite guitar designers and techs and he sure believes in the 50's mod.

To each his own though.

With my Big Muff turned on I didn't really notice a different, but totally clean - to light gain, I could.

I couldn't get into the 50s mod with my Kinman stacked single coils it seemed to destroy the volume taper. I'm going to try it on the humbucking guitar I've been building to see if there is a difference.

 

[blueman335]

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What do you all think of treble bleed circuits? I use a cap and resistor. My tech said it makes the volume or the guitar sound weird and he can't do volume swells.

I haven't put any treble bleed mods on yet, but plan to; could even end up putting them on all my guitars, on the neck PU's.

I usually don't take advice from guitarists that do volume swells; they get annoying very quickly. :14:

 

[papersoul]

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I'm with you Eric. I can hear the difference between all three methods too.

I can believe that not everyone would find the 50's mod useful tho, especially those who rarely, if ever, play cleanish rhythm.

But for those who like to use chords other than buzzy power V chords with no 3rd, the improvement in note separation that the 50's mod affords to more harmonically advanced chord voicings is very useful when the guitar's volume knob is reduced to it's lower range in order to clean up the signal.

All Hamer guitars used to be wired with the 50's mod: the tone pot was connected to the output jack in all of those Sunbursts and Studio guitars. Jol Dantzig is one of my favorite guitar designers and techs and he sure believes in the 50's mod.

To each his own though.

I am not a power chord guy. I even jam once in a while with some jazz dudes in Philly. Trust me, in 30 years, I have never heard much difference between 50s and modern wiring. What can I tell you?! :smack:
use my volume knob a lot....and modern wiring is perfect.

 

[aleclee]

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I have the TBC in about 1/2 my guitars. I dunno that I'd lose sleep over whether a guitar has it or not, though. A lot depends on how I use the guitar and the tones I'm looking for when I roll off the volume.

 

[bungalowbill]

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I use the TB mod and love it....then again, I use the volume and tone controls on my guitar a lot.

 

[ratherdashing]

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I have the Duncan treble bleed mod (cap and resistor in parallel) on nearly every guitar I own, but I recently put the Kinman mod (cap and resistor in series) on my Tele as a comparison. I am still not sure which I like better. It will probably be the subject of an upcoming SD blog post.

 

[Gypsyblue]

Re: Treble bleed?

I use the TB mod and love it....then again, I use the volume and tone controls on my guitar a lot.

I think that's probably key to whether a guitarist appreciates the usefulness of a treble bleed mod, 50's mod, etc. If you use the volume control of your guitar to go from clean to overdriven tones, as I do, there's a greater chance that you'll like it. If you don't use your volume control as much and instead just stomp on your overdrive or distortion pedal to go from a rhythm tone to a lead tone you might not see why these mods are useful for some of us.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: Treble bleed?

I think that's probably key to whether a guitarist appreciates the usefulness of a treble bleed mod, 50's mod, etc. If you use the volume control of your guitar to go from clean to overdriven tones, as I do, there's a greater chance that you'll like it. If you don't use your volume control as much and instead just stomp on your overdrive or distortion pedal to go from a rhythm tone to a lead tone you might not see why these mods are useful for some of us.

I do both: I use amp channels and pedals for distortion, but I also use the volume knob to fine tune it.

I use a volume pedal for swells, so I don't need to worry about whether the volume control is good for that or not.

 

[ericmeyer4]

Re: Treble bleed?

I have the Duncan treble bleed mod (cap and resistor in parallel) on nearly every guitar I own, but I recently put the Kinman mod (cap and resistor in series) on my Tele as a comparison. I am still not sure which I like better. It will probably be the subject of an upcoming SD blog post.

I split it down the middle. I did it how Kinman recommended, but I used the values that SD recommended. I think the only difference was that my resistor was 20k higher than the one Kinman said to use. I don't know how much of an effect it had on the sound.

I do both: I use amp channels and pedals for distortion, but I also use the volume knob to fine tune it.

I use a volume pedal for swells, so I don't need to worry about whether the volume control is good for that or not.

This is how I have my setup. I found that after installing the TB my volume worked better as a fine tuner than something to do swells with.