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Feeding a tube power amp into a guitar cab at loud volume could probably fool me.
Tube Amp Snobbery Apology
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mechanic1908
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Re: Tube Amp Snobbery Apology
I like both depending on the application.
This was last time I played out and 120 watts of solid state got it done.
My tube amp wouldn't have been satisfactory as the keyboards needed to be run thru the amp as well.
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I like both depending on the application.
This was last time I played out and 120 watts of solid state got it done.
My tube amp wouldn't have been satisfactory as the keyboards needed to be run thru the amp as well.
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SirJackdeFuzz
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I never thought that was a good thing. The modeler imparts its own tone, which gets further altered (and away from) the amp it is modeling, if it goes through a tube power amp. The best way to amplify a modeler is a FR/FR power amp.
I never thought that was a good thing. The modeler imparts its own tone, which gets further altered (and away from) the amp it is modeling, if it goes through a tube power amp. The best way to amplify a modeler is a FR/FR power amp.
Demanic
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Maybe it's because I don't have any experience with the actual amps that are modeled, but I've been playing a Line 6 Spider valve mkII for the last several weeks, and I think that it sounds fantastic. But then, I have never wanted to sound exactly like someone else's tone anyway.
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Maybe it's because I don't have any experience with the actual amps that are modeled, but I've been playing a Line 6 Spider valve mkII for the last several weeks, and I think that it sounds fantastic. But then, I have never wanted to sound exactly like someone else's tone anyway.
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BriGuy1968
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Exactly ditto.
I do the same thing with my Zoom G5. I actually just assume that the amps modeled are NOT really all that close, but I really don't care what it's called as long as I like the sound.
Exactly ditto.
I do the same thing with my Zoom G5. I actually just assume that the amps modeled are NOT really all that close, but I really don't care what it's called as long as I like the sound.
Demanic
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So far, I have found the sounds that it puts out, from clean to crunch to old school metal to modern extreme gain to be inspriring to play through. That is, no matter what model I'm playing with, the "feel" is there, and I find myself playing in a way that I always wanted to hear myself sounding like, but never quite got from my other amps.
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So far, I have found the sounds that it puts out, from clean to crunch to old school metal to modern extreme gain to be inspriring to play through. That is, no matter what model I'm playing with, the "feel" is there, and I find myself playing in a way that I always wanted to hear myself sounding like, but never quite got from my other amps.
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Exactly- once you get your eq and fx together, it starts to sound like you and you start to incorporate the good from that rig into your playing style.
What we love about tubes when we're jamming is really the broad frequency and power- But you can prove rather quickly, that as much as we love it, it's rarely necessary where it counts.
1. Next time you are recording with a good engineer, when mix down is near complete, ask them to solo you out of the mix-
To get the track to sit in the mix (avoiding masking), it is very likely that they have bandpass eq around your part and it will sound like the highs and lows are gone out of your part when it's not in the mix.
2. Same thing live- I had my tube rig and modeling rig at an all weekend event-
Everyone love the house mix and I asked the FOH house engineer to show me settings-
- Modeled channel had no treble cut and minimal bass cut
- Tube channel had major bass cut, some treble cut, however, also included some compression.
That last one is important- tubes do compress, but most models are compressed even more.
Again, I love them both when I use them for what they do best.
Exactly- once you get your eq and fx together, it starts to sound like you and you start to incorporate the good from that rig into your playing style.
What we love about tubes when we're jamming is really the broad frequency and power- But you can prove rather quickly, that as much as we love it, it's rarely necessary where it counts.
1. Next time you are recording with a good engineer, when mix down is near complete, ask them to solo you out of the mix-
To get the track to sit in the mix (avoiding masking), it is very likely that they have bandpass eq around your part and it will sound like the highs and lows are gone out of your part when it's not in the mix.
2. Same thing live- I had my tube rig and modeling rig at an all weekend event-
Everyone love the house mix and I asked the FOH house engineer to show me settings-
- Modeled channel had no treble cut and minimal bass cut
- Tube channel had major bass cut, some treble cut, however, also included some compression.
That last one is important- tubes do compress, but most models are compressed even more.
Again, I love them both when I use them for what they do best.
moshpit817
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I am late to this party but I bought a Quilter Microblock 45 watt pedal amp 4 months ago and ran a Amptweaker Tight Metal pedal with a EHX Holy Grail reverb in the Tight Metals effects loop and it sounds amazing,and last week I purchased a new Diezel VH4 pedal & run it through the Microblock and reverb pedal,also 1 of I guess the newer MXR 10 band eq's and it sounds great as well.I do have 1-5150-3 50 watt head and a Peavey Triple XXX 120 watt head,both tube amp heads and I enjoy all of my gear but the Quilter does surprise me,it does have a tube like feel and it acts like my tube amp heads and just has great overall tone and sound,and its so simple sometimes I prefer it over the tubes..what works for me might not work for anyone else but IMO the Quiltars are great! And the Quilter with my distortion/preamp pedals volume controls it can get quite loud,gig worthy loud ?? but loud enough!
I am late to this party but I bought a Quilter Microblock 45 watt pedal amp 4 months ago and ran a Amptweaker Tight Metal pedal with a EHX Holy Grail reverb in the Tight Metals effects loop and it sounds amazing,and last week I purchased a new Diezel VH4 pedal & run it through the Microblock and reverb pedal,also 1 of I guess the newer MXR 10 band eq's and it sounds great as well.I do have 1-5150-3 50 watt head and a Peavey Triple XXX 120 watt head,both tube amp heads and I enjoy all of my gear but the Quilter does surprise me,it does have a tube like feel and it acts like my tube amp heads and just has great overall tone and sound,and its so simple sometimes I prefer it over the tubes..what works for me might not work for anyone else but IMO the Quiltars are great! And the Quilter with my distortion/preamp pedals volume controls it can get quite loud,gig worthy loud ?? but loud enough!
Re: Tube Amp Snobbery Apology
Well, in the end...not many people have had the opportunity to try out all of the real amps in a modeler. As time goes on, there will be less and less people. So the bottom line is...does it sound good? Can you make good, interesting music with it?
Well, in the end...not many people have had the opportunity to try out all of the real amps in a modeler. As time goes on, there will be less and less people. So the bottom line is...does it sound good? Can you make good, interesting music with it?
beaubrummels
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That's a shame because eventually more and more people will not know what a 'good' sound is in the first place, only what someone else's interpretation of someone else's idea of what a good sound was.
That's a shame because eventually more and more people will not know what a 'good' sound is in the first place, only what someone else's interpretation of someone else's idea of what a good sound was.
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Little Pigbacon
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Everyone has an opinion, so I don't mean any disrespect- However, 'good' is subjective, it shifts and it can be lost and rediscovered.
-The original Frying Pan pickup was good, because there was nothing else at the time
-My tone from 20 years ago was good, but occasionally causes me to grit my teeth when I hear those old clips today
-Hyper compression became good for one audience while totally natural unplugged became the holy grail for others
Bottom line is we're talking apples and oranges- a great player can make great sounds out of anything that works for them-
And if we 'lose' the holy grail, think about vinyl and mountain man beards- you can always experiment and rediscover the past.
Again, no disrespect, just my opinion.
Everyone has an opinion, so I don't mean any disrespect- However, 'good' is subjective, it shifts and it can be lost and rediscovered.
-The original Frying Pan pickup was good, because there was nothing else at the time
-My tone from 20 years ago was good, but occasionally causes me to grit my teeth when I hear those old clips today
-Hyper compression became good for one audience while totally natural unplugged became the holy grail for others
Bottom line is we're talking apples and oranges- a great player can make great sounds out of anything that works for them-
And if we 'lose' the holy grail, think about vinyl and mountain man beards- you can always experiment and rediscover the past.
Again, no disrespect, just my opinion.
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LLL
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HAH - I remember that ad when it came out!
Gave me a chuckle back then... fast-forward to today, and I'm all out of chuckles.
HAH - I remember that ad when it came out!
Gave me a chuckle back then... fast-forward to today, and I'm all out of chuckles.
beaubrummels
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I put 'good' in quotes, but sounds like my point was still missed a bit.
I put 'good' in quotes, but sounds like my point was still missed a bit.
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Little Pigbacon
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I see modeling eventually becoming a victim of its own success. When very few players have used the classic amps the models are based on, modeling specific amps will become less important. When amps are no longer important to players, they won't demand to have them included in hardware and software modelers. When the modeling technology is being used to deliver "good" or "useful" tones, the impetus won't be there to provide anything specific. The models will just become generic and genre based. Which is what we had before product-specific modeling.
I see modeling eventually becoming a victim of its own success. When very few players have used the classic amps the models are based on, modeling specific amps will become less important. When amps are no longer important to players, they won't demand to have them included in hardware and software modelers. When the modeling technology is being used to deliver "good" or "useful" tones, the impetus won't be there to provide anything specific. The models will just become generic and genre based. Which is what we had before product-specific modeling.
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Phantasmagoria
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I like tubes & I like (analog) SS. The difference between them is literally a hair's breath (if that) apart at this point, both feel/response & sound-wise imo. I bet if I put a guitar into someone's hand (a tube snob preferably :laugh2
, blindfolded them, and plugged it into my AMT Stonehead, the guy would'nt in a million years be able to tell it was an SS amp ..not kidding 
(lol, I should actually try that sometime)
Modelling sounds ok too..but just too fiddly for me. I like to be able to plug in and play with minimum fuss & messing around...
I like tubes & I like (analog) SS. The difference between them is literally a hair's breath (if that) apart at this point, both feel/response & sound-wise imo. I bet if I put a guitar into someone's hand (a tube snob preferably :laugh2
, blindfolded them, and plugged it into my AMT Stonehead, the guy would'nt in a million years be able to tell it was an SS amp ..not kidding (lol, I should actually try that sometime)
Modelling sounds ok too..but just too fiddly for me. I like to be able to plug in and play with minimum fuss & messing around...
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That would be a fun one to try and I think I might do something similar with clips when I get some time.
I like tubes & I like (analog) SS. The difference between them is literally a hair's breath (if that) apart at this point, both feel/response & sound-wise imo. I bet if I put a guitar into someone's hand (a tube snob preferably :laugh2
(lol, I should actually try that sometime)
Modelling sounds ok too..but just too fiddly for me. I like to be able to plug in and play with minimum fuss & messing around...
That would be a fun one to try and I think I might do something similar with clips when I get some time.
LesStrat
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If the modeling is done well, who cares about the origin?
The amp model in the Helix that is becoming, arguably, the best model in the unit is a digital creation by Line 6. It has sound similar to a Dumble, but it is so much more. It is responsive and gives a great tone.
Yet it is NOT an amp model.
Mincer made a solid point: use what you have and make good music with it.
If the modeling is done well, who cares about the origin?
The amp model in the Helix that is becoming, arguably, the best model in the unit is a digital creation by Line 6. It has sound similar to a Dumble, but it is so much more. It is responsive and gives a great tone.
Yet it is NOT an amp model.
Mincer made a solid point: use what you have and make good music with it.
LLL
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I'm afraid it's not that simple.
What if all I had was this?
Yeah, I could use it... but I'd sound way better with a better quality & better sounding amp.
Somewhere between a Crate CR-1 and legendary tube amps (Marshall, Fender) there's a happy tone medium.
I'm afraid it's not that simple.
What if all I had was this?
Yeah, I could use it... but I'd sound way better with a better quality & better sounding amp.
Somewhere between a Crate CR-1 and legendary tube amps (Marshall, Fender) there's a happy tone medium.
