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Lazarus1140 said:
I lost a match-up to Redmist under the bracket system 44:1. It wasn't that much fun ...... LOL!
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Well, he proved to be a very difficult competitor, so you didn't have much luck with the drawing. :) And that's another part of it; this system eliminates bad luck to a greater degree..
 
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i had an unexpected epiphany over the weekend on the subject (hint - try to describe it to someone who knows nothing about this contest or this forum)

so now, for me, bracket, average scores, whatever

it belongs to adam and keith, not all of us forum members who chose to participate as riffers, listeners, voters, commenters, etc ....

i'll submit if/when i feel like it ... i'll probably still listen / vote / comment

but it just doesnt matter to me any more

the most important thing is playing and being creative - learning and enjoying as we go
 
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Lazarus1140 said:
More fun for participating as a contestant, voting, or watching the results come in?

I lost a match-up to Redmist under the bracket system 44:1. It wasn't that much fun ...... LOL!
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I say it's more fun to vote.

I have not participated yet, and I don't really see a condensation of the new, more qualitative results.

Just one man's opinion, but I have seen the riff-off take a dive in participation, and I'm not saying either way is better; just that the original bracket method was more fun.

I have no intent to hurt the feelings of anyone who came up with either methodology. Just discussing an opinion in an open forum.

Love and kisses!
-Hunter
 
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ImmortalSix said:
I say it's more fun to vote.

I have not participated yet, and I don't really see a condensation of the new, more qualitative results.

Just one man's opinion, but I have seen the riff-off take a dive in participation, and I'm not saying either way is better; just that the original bracket method was more fun.

I have no intent to hurt the feelings of anyone who came up with either methodology. Just discussing an opinion in an open forum.

Love and kisses!
-Hunter
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I suspect that any decline in participation may simply be the result of the newness wearing off. I realize that you are not criticizing either scoring method or suggesting a change .......... but I like the flexibility of rating a guy's riff on its own merit and on its impact on me rather than giving a simple thumbs up or down. The current system allows me to participate more as a voter!
 
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Hunter I love your new title... classic...

I have to say, I think this voting system is probably the most sound from a fairness and statistical perspective. This system effectively does what it was supposed to do, bring the best to the top while eliminating the riffs that were not up to par, without have the luck of drawing the potential champ in the first round and never having a chance.

It may not be the most..."fun" but it is certainly a more constructive, fair and statiscally sound voting system. Course you could always just switch it up every other time just for the sake of fun too...
 
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When and how do the entries get submitted for each month? I may try to attempt something next go around.
 
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Proverb-Man said:
it is certainly a more constructive, fair and statiscally sound voting system
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I agree that the new way is more constructive, fair, and statistically sound.
 
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ImmortalSix said:
I agree that the new way is more constructive, fair, and statistically sound.
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If I really had to get picky, I would've gone with a 1-5 rating instead of 0-6. Seven levels is almost too many to consider when REALLY putting a riff in perspective for me. Five seems just about right for me.

However, KeefHorsey is running this show and I'm sure he has his reasons for a seven-level scale.
 
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B2D said:
If I really had to get picky, I would've gone with a 1-5 rating instead of 0-6. Seven levels is almost too many to consider when REALLY putting a riff in perspective for me. Five seems just about right for me.

However, KeefHorsey is running this show and I'm sure he has his reasons for a seven-level scale.
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Yeah, I did consider a five-point scale. The only reason I went with seven over five is to lower the risk of tied average scores. Even with the seven-point scale, I've already seen a couple instances of ties.

- KeefHorsey :)
 
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I find it perfect as it is now!
thank you Adam, Keith, Bill for the advices and everyone else who compete, vote and comment.
It is a joy for me, something refreshing, educating and provoking
 
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I don't see why we couldn't combine the two systems, honestly. You get a bracket, and each guy gets a 1-6 vote. The higher average score goes on. That way, we get a more accurate tally while maintaining the competitive nature.

The only difficulty I can see is actually putting the two together in a single thread. How do you do two polls at once? Do you put both tracks in two separate threads and make sure that the voter is sure they're only voting for the right person? I like the competition, and I think the commentary is more insightful when people can say, "I liked this about Riff A more than Riff B."

Plus Vegas has a harder time giving odds on the group matchups.
 
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misterwhizzy said:
I don't see why we couldn't combine the two systems, honestly. You get a bracket, and each guy gets a 1-6 vote. The higher average score goes on. That way, we get a more accurate tally while maintaining the competitive nature.

The only difficulty I can see is actually putting the two together in a single thread. How do you do two polls at once? Do you put both tracks in two separate threads and make sure that the voter is sure they're only voting for the right person? I like the competition, and I think the commentary is more insightful when people can say, "I liked this about Riff A more than Riff B."

Plus Vegas has a harder time giving odds on the group matchups.
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That's definitely doable, but you still have the potential for a pairing of two stronger riffs and a pairing of two weaker riffs, and you'll always get just one of those two stronger riffs advancing, and one of the weaker riffs advancing. I don't have a problem with that if people like the bracketed layout—I happen to like the bracket—but it doesn't resolve the issue the averaging approach tries to tackle.

- Keith
 
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Pink Unicorn Horsey said:
That's definitely doable, but you still have the potential for a pairing of two stronger riffs and a pairing of two weaker riffs, and you'll always get just one of those two stronger riffs advancing, and one of the weaker riffs advancing.
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Maybe, but neither of the two first months had problems with weak finals or weak later rounds. I understand the theory, but in my opinion, the facts don't support it.

I don't have a problem with that if people like the bracketed layout—I happen to like the bracket—but it doesn't resolve the issue the averaging approach tries to tackle.
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One of the problems was the blowouts. And I think it will solve that. In fact, I think it was my post that started the whole averaging idea, since I told Lazarus I felt real sorry for him. So I'm not against the idea, but I don't get the idea that this is a competition right now.

You know, we could even talk about a heat system, where four riffers are involved in a heat, and the top two scorers go on to the next round. (Of course this was Olympics inspired, but so what?) Could that be a good compromise?
 
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The problem is, the "evolving" participants lose their chances with the bracketing system. A very good competitor flies out in the first round, and that person could be actually the champion if he could have post more riffs.
This system is almost flawless.
Sure, it is easier to choose with the bracketing system. But it doesn't help people to get better, and it doesn't help people to understand how well their riff is accepted.
I for instance, hate to chose one on another. I prefer to say and rate as I feel. Black or white is not very helping in this competition. Grayscale helps more INMO.
 
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daemon barbeque said:
The problem is, the "evolving" participants lose their chances with the bracketing system. A very good competitor flies out in the first round, and that person could be actually the champion if he could have post more riffs.
This system is almost flawless.
Sure, it is easier to choose with the bracketing system. But it doesn't help people to get better, and it doesn't help people to understand how well their riff is accepted.
I for instance, hate to chose one on another. I prefer to say and rate as I feel. Black or white is not very helping in this competition. Grayscale helps more INMO.
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Agreed. I imagine no voting system is going to be perfect, but this works well and allows everyone a good chance, and even those who don't progress can still get an idea of how well their efforts were recieved. It does make voting in the first round a pretty big task, (I had to listen and make notes, then listen to them all a couple more times before i voted). But hey, people make the effort to enter riffs, so a little effort from the voters isn't too much to ask. It's not like we have to listen to an entire song or album from each entrant, hehe, just 20 or 30 seconds of their efforts. I'd love to see the voting figues move up closer to about 80 - 100 votes per entry on average, i think that would flesh the tournament out beautifully.
 
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^yeah, only 40-42 voters out of 1650 "active users" yields a very sad 2.5% voter turnout.....

(check it out PUH, my first number-crunching post:22:)
 
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