We might perhaps finally know Van Halen's humbuckers magnet type

It actually doesn't, it kills the muse. A muse is a goddess that inspires creativity and originality. If people spent more time creating something new instead of duplicating what was done 40 years ago ad nauseam there would be a richer tapestry of guitar music to enjoy. So in this case the term "muse" was definitely used incorrectly.

Yeah that's exactly my biggest source of confusion.

Like, I do enjoy reading this stuff, but I really fail to see how this would actually inspire people to make rock guitar music a la Eddie.

The people who might be inspired by this either would have already been inspired 40 years ago, or they already made it since 30-40 years ago, got to try Eddie's rig in person and realize it's not for them.
 
I might be inspired by the tones of others, but I want to sound like me.
I think that, for better or worse, I do.

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Ok, let's put you up to your standards then.

Who are you, who's the OP, and what have the both of you contributed to "guitar music".

Are you the aforementioned Pete Thorn, a semi-famous session guitarist with enough internet clout to make useful content for the guitar community?
Are you out there putting your music forth to keep interest in the guitar like Steve Vai? Obviously not since we have weirdos like Tim Henson instead now.

Mate, you are a man replicating his heroes' tone in his garage.

As much as I appreciate the effort put into the OP's blog, the research that went into it and its use as a knowledge source, I fail to see how chipping in on a dead horse that's been beaten for 40 or so odd years keeps the guitarist muse alive.

What, did none of the other Van Halen gear blogs do it during that 40 year period where we saw rock guitar slowly die out? lol

You don't appreciate the OP's post; that's why you're crying about it.

You and your type get all worked up when an EVH subject comes up because it's all sour grapes for you; the bar is too high and you can't reach it.

Contributions? Here's just a smattering of what I would share publicly here:

Hair O' The Rat (That Bit You):



Hairadise:




I also do covers:

Steve Morse Band - The Road Home



Extreme - Rest In Peace Solo



Dokken - Tooth And Nail Solo



Whitesnake - Crying In The Rain Solo




Now let's hear your "contributions"... what have you contributed to guitar music? I will wager not a goddamned thing. Bupkis.

Here's the truth: you non-contributing-to-guitar-music peeps who get their panties all in a wad over EVH threads could just stay out of it instead of chucking your sour grapes.
 
All of you who preach "get your own tone" - let's hear your supposedly unique guitar tone that no one else has.

Yeah, didn't think so. :lol: :rolleyes:
 
Anyways, I very much enjoyed the blog because I like reading about deep dives and research in general, and greatly appreciate how the author still kept it real here (as seen in one of their blogs regarding the amp

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Well, bless your heart.

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Hank Azaria, actor and voice actor for many Simpsons characters revealed that a lot of his iconic character voices started off as not quite right impersonations. Mow is was “a bad Al Pacino.” Dr Nick is a “bad Ricky Ricardo.” You don’t have to look very hard to find examples of this in the music world where a guitarist was “trying” to get a sound they loved from one of their idols and in the ways it wasn’t the same is what made it their own.

What I’m trying to say should be pretty clear. In any case, everyone please stop fighting. It’s really embarrassing to witness. I’m pretty sure if you just think about it for a minute, you’ll realise you don’t really care.
 
You don't appreciate the OP's post; that's why you're crying about it.

You and your type get all worked up when an EVH subject comes up because it's all sour grapes for you; the bar is too high and you can't reach it.

Contributions? Here's just a smattering of what I would share publicly here:

Hair O' The Rat (That Bit You):



Hairadise:




I also do covers:

Steve Morse Band - The Road Home



Extreme - Rest In Peace Solo



Dokken - Tooth And Nail Solo



Whitesnake - Crying In The Rain Solo




Now let's hear your "contributions"... what have you contributed to guitar music? I will wager not a goddamned thing. Bupkis.

Here's the truth: you non-contributing-to-guitar-music peeps who get their panties all in a wad over EVH threads could just stay out of it instead of chucking your sour grapes.

That's some really good playing there!
No need to toot your own horn, your playing speaks for itself. If I had half your talent, you'd see my name in lights.
That's generally not the type of stuff I listen to...gets old fast and is too tiring to listen to for very long, but I can appreciate talent where I see (hear) it.
 
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Hank Azaria, actor and voice actor for many Simpsons characters revealed that a lot of his iconic character voices started off as not quite right impersonations. Mow is was “a bad Al Pacino.” Dr Nick is a “bad Ricky Ricardo.” You don’t have to look very hard to find examples of this in the music world where a guitarist was “trying” to get a sound they loved from one of their idols and in the ways it wasn’t the same is what made it their own.

What I’m trying to say should be pretty clear. In any case, everyone please stop fighting. It’s really embarrassing to witness. I’m pretty sure if you just think about it for a minute, you’ll realise you don’t really care.

That is a great example. Another way to look at it is EVH is a master of the guitar, just like DaVinci was to paint. Every artist after DaVinci studied the Mona Lisa and deconstructed Leonardo's technique and approach to color. Many artists duplicated the painting perfectly. They then built on that knowledge and found their artistic vision. Some failed miserably, and some became masters in their own right. Others never deviated from the master and became imitators of Davinci, long forgotten.

If we did not have the artists, good and bad, that tried something new and grew beyond duplicating DaVinci's Mona Lisa, we would have museums and art galleries full of Mona Lisas and not much more to enjoy.
 
That is a great example. Another way to look at it is EVH is a master of the guitar, just like DaVinci was to paint. Every artist after DaVinci studied the Mona Lisa and deconstructed Leonardo's technique and approach to color. Many artists duplicated the painting perfectly. They then built on that knowledge and found their artistic vision. Some failed miserably, and some became masters in their own right. Others never deviated from the master and became imitators of Davinci, long forgotten.

If we did not have the artists, good and bad, that tried something new and grew beyond duplicating DaVinci's Mona Lisa, we would have museums and art galleries full of Mona Lisas and not much more to enjoy.

Exactly. Check this out… I read it ages ago and couldn’t find the source but from Dino’s very own lips “I want this Marshall to sound like the first Van Halen record.”

Which resulted in this.
And this.

Does it sound like Van Halen 1? Probably not but they are in themselves legendary metal tones which in turn had many guitarists of the next generation getting their sound by starting with those tones Dino got in early Fear Factory (until some jerkoff stole all their gear, including that Marshall) like he and his contemporaries did with Van Halen. Dimebag definitely cites them as an influence many times in many interviews throughout his career (even pointing out he and Vinnie are like the Eddie and Alex of their style.) Again, Dime does not sound like Van Halen, he sounds like Dime but I think that’s enough to show how important that sound was with how the lineage of so many guitar sounds can be traced back to it. Let’s not overlook the most important aspect of all. “

The songs! The riffs, the songs that actually got played with those tones. Without the songs, the guitar sounds by themselves aren’t worth anything. It would be like talking about Da Vinci’s paint without any thought to the paintings made with them. Not that you can’t obsess over guitar tone, a lot of legendary sounds were created that way, but not before the songs were written first.
 
^ That's a good example. It's very difficult to exactly duplicate another artist's style, but in trying you find that you have created your own. During the Impressionist period many painters associated with each other and learned from each other (like bands did in the 60's in Calif.) but eventually "settled-in" on their own personal styles...where their hearts led them. von Gough loved Cezanne and Gauguin, but very early on he found that his heart would not allow him to copy any other styles or paint how the public wanted him to. Of course he led a miserable life of being poor, not being appreciated, and being ridiculed. But if he could have seen how loved his art is today, he would be so satisfied and complete.

In the end...learn (from others? That's ok), practice, develop your talent and just go where your heart tells you to go. Forget about what is popular and do your own thing.
 
^ That's a good example. It's very difficult to exactly duplicate another artist's style, but in trying you find that you have created your own. During the Impressionist period many painters associated with each other and learned from each other (like bands did in the 60's in Calif.) but eventually "settled-in" on their own personal styles...where their hearts led them. von Gough loved Cezanne and Gauguin, but very early on he found that his heart would not allow him to copy any other styles or paint how the public wanted him to. Of course he led a miserable life of being poor, not being appreciated, and being ridiculed. But if he could have seen how loved his art is today, he would be so satisfied and complete.

In the end...learn (from others? That's ok), practice, develop your talent and just go where your heart tells you to go. Forget about what is popular and do your own thing.

Yeah same.

My biggest influence is probs early YJM, and I wouldn't even want to play a rig like his. I just rather want to play like him :beerchug:
 
In the end...learn (from others? That's ok), practice, develop your talent and just go where your heart tells you to go. Forget about what is popular and do your own thing.

Spread Eagle guitarist Paul DiBartolo is one of the best guitarists I know. I worked as a guitar tech for Paul on and off in the 80's trying to learn his secret sauce. Paul was an EVH devotee back when Spread Eagle was called Bang, right down to the graphic guitar. I was working as Pauls's guitar tech at a gig when they opened for Steel Assassin, and while Bang was good, Steel Assassin blew them off the stage. Paul was backstage proclaiming Bang (Spread Eagle) had to get heavier. That is when I think Paul found his own voice. Once he stopped trying to be an EVH clone, the music got more original and creative, ultimately resulting in Spread Eagle blowing up.


 
EVH is the only area of guitar history you get clowned for being interested in.

I believe this is due to two things
  1. The trivial and minute level enthusiasts take their analysis
  2. The length of time people have been doing this, repeatedly.
It's worth noting that by 1983, when I was buying equipment for the first tour I'd ever do as a guitarist, there was a sign on the wall of the music store that said, "Anyone caught playing Eruption will be fed to the troll in the basement." So already within the first 5 years, the obsession was taking it's toll on other musicians who were less interested in chasing the trivial details of just one guy, though certainly most all were appreciative of his music and contributions, and some were also fans. But the geeking out and repetition was wearing people out. That was 40 years ago.


All that aside, I think if you want to get close to an artists style and sound, you would be smart to look into the people that influenced them. EVH's biggest influence (as cited in interviews) was Eric Clapton from the Cream days, particularly their live recordings. I can see the speed and ferocity of Clapton's playing showing in EVH's speed and ferocity, but I also kind of see the similarity between EVH's tone and the bright, snappy lead tone Clapton was getting going through late '60's Marshalls using his SG, ES-335 and Explorer (putting aside "Woman Tone" for now). Interesting that EVH was using a completely different body/neck wood guitar, but reportedly did put in an ES-335 pickup for part of the time. But despite the different gear, the tone was quite similar, though his playing is different. Knowing what guitars, pickups and amp when into Clapton's sound, and EVH's sound, and how different they were, yet sound similar, is helpful in understanding just how much variance you can have in gear and still get a similar sound. And it's also informative in how a particular pickup or guitar body/neck can counter act the other to bring you closer to the desired tone you are chasing.


From Rolling Stone OCTOBER 6, 2020
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/who-were-eddie-van-halen-influences-1071780/

(emphasis here is mine)
EVH: "And then came Eric Clapton, who is at the top of my list. What attracted me to his playing and style and vibe was the basic simplicity in his approach and his tone, his sound.

He just basically took a Gibson guitar and plugged it straight into a Marshall and that was it. The basics. The blues. So, you know, then what I ended up personally doing… I didn’t like a Les Paul or a Fender. So I cross-pollinated the two — I took the best parts of each one and made my own guitar. And basically Clapton is the only one that’s influenced me. In the Cream days. By the time Cream broke up, I pretty much kind of took the ball and ran my own way with what I had learned.

. . . my favorite stuff was when he was in Cream. Which was only a couple, three years. It wasn’t a very long run, but what I really liked was their live stuff, like Wheels of Fire and Goodbye, Cream and stuff like that, because then you could really hear the three guys playing in their live element.

Interviewer: And you would literally slow down those records and learn every lick.
Yeah, I’d take the turntable and do that. Bottom line, it’s all blues-based… You’ve got three chords that are most pleasing to the ear, and you’ve got 12 notes to work with. It’s very basic. At the time of Clapton, of course you had Jimmy Page, [Jimi] Hendrix, [Jeff] Beck, and Townshend and all these guys… Pete Townshend was an influence as a rhythm guitarist. never really got into Hendrix. I don’t think I ever even bought a record of his. He was more abstract in his approach."

Sure, he had other influence's, but it's interesting to hear his thinking out loud. That's as important as knowing what magnet was in his pickup.
 
Screw playing and strawman arguments and "who are you" and all that.

It's unheard of - unconscionable - to bag on someone who wants to talk EVH... on a guitar forum. Think about it.

That would be like bagging on someone who wants to talk 1911s on a gun forum, or pizza on a food forum.


If you're not into EVH gear talk, then keep your sour grapes out of it; go post in a Dave Matthews thread or a football and pizza thread.

People who love what they do like to talk shop and especially the minutiae. Don't bag on them because they're trying to figure out which pickup magnet someone possibly used.

These are the people who are heavily invested in and keep the muse alive (on the technical side of things, which is just as important).

And remember, if you don't stop trying to control what people want to discuss, there will be no one left.
 
I think that’s enough to show how important that sound was with how the lineage of so many guitar sounds can be traced back to it. Let’s not overlook the most important aspect of all. “

The songs! The riffs, the songs that actually got played with those tones. Without the songs, the guitar sounds by themselves aren’t worth anything. It would be like talking about Da Vinci’s paint without any thought to the paintings made with them. Not that you can’t obsess over guitar tone, a lot of legendary sounds were created that way, but not before the songs were written first.

When you trace it back further it is very cool. Eric Clapton inspired by Freddie King buys a Les Paul with humbuckers instead of P90s and creates his own tone, including the Woman tone. Clapton then moves on to an ES335 to further develop his own tone. In Pasadena young EVH is inspired by Clapton and buys an ES335. When the ES335 is not just right for his direction EVH buys a guitar inspired by his other hero Jeff Beck and gets a Stratocaster. When he finds the Strat is not as full as the ES335 he takes the pickup from the Gibson and puts it in the Strat. If Eddie was content sounding like Eric Clapton or Jeff Beck, Frankenstein would never have been created.

I guess we have Freddie King to thank for all of this.
 
Screw playing and strawman arguments and "who are you" and all that.

It's unheard of - unconscionable - to bag on someone who wants to talk EVH... on a guitar forum. Think about it.

That would be like bagging on someone who wants to talk 1911s on a gun forum, or pizza on a food forum.


If you're not into EVH gear talk, then keep your sour grapes out of it; go post in a Dave Matthews thread or a football and pizza thread.

People who love what they do like to talk shop and especially the minutiae. Don't bag on them because they're trying to figure out which pickup magnet someone possibly used.

These are the people who are heavily invested in and keep the muse alive (on the technical side of things, which is just as important).

And remember, if you don't stop trying to control what people want to discuss, there will be no one left.
You really don't take criticism well, do you.
I post plenty of things that either get bagged on or just plain ignored.
If one can't take the hit, one should stay out of the pit.
Of course, it helps to remove your glasses and hearing aids before hand.

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