Weight relived Les Paul article

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Okay, so I was wrong about African vs. Honduran. But I am right about wood density. For a long time, Gibson didn't need to weight relieve/chamber the Les Paul, because the wood was not nearly as heavy.
 
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I agree that the "its the right thing to do" comment rubbed me the wrong way. Whenever a huge company (or ranking official within my own company) says stuff like that it makes me cringe. It sounds so completely false.


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I love the comments on the Gibson site... there's always a few guys who say the following:

"I'm 6'4", 230 pounds and I have no problem with the weight of the guitar."

WTF cares!?!!?!!? It drives me crazy when I see those kinds of comments... "hey, I'm a real big dude so screw the rest of you, hit the gym or something"... I'm sure most of these comments are posted by 5'6" guys but all I can picture is this tall doofy-looking guy with a gut hanging over his Docker's playing INXS in his church hall. It drives me nuts, and I don't know why!!!

Let's face it, the average guy in the USA is 5'9" and 190 pounds (which,if you think about it, is kinda heavy for that height) so of course Gibson is going to try to make its products more appealing to the majority of the buyers.

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Your not gonna hear much differecne witha tight high gain amp, which, being "Ubermetal", I guess is what you are playing through.
Only a vintatge style amp with some sag and ol' skool complex and lush tone can let you see there is a huge difference in tone between a sweet expensive Gibson and a Cheaper one.

On the contrary, my main amps right now are a Blues Junior, Fender Machete, and Marshall 1987x. The only gain I get is from volume and a Maxon OD820. The highest output pickup I have installed right now is a Custom Custom. So there goes your theory. Besides, there's no point in arguing it. I never said that the Studios were as good as the Traditionals. I think they're close enough to satisfy what I expect as far as "Les Paul tone" without having to break the bank.

The new Les Paul studios have a modern weight relief by the way and they are amazing quality. I have played some already and really like them.
 
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Jeez, UberMetalDood, what makes you think that the fact that you own and play these instruments gives you any right to comment on their differences in tone? We, who have never seen, heard or touched the instruments, will tell you what they sound like. Got it?
 
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I do not know why, but I got a sinking feeling when I viewed the pictures. It looks like a massacre. I have an ESP with a mahogany body. Is it "chambered"? I prefer finding a lighter mahogany to drilling holes in the body. It just seems wrong. If I want to play a semi-hollow, I will. I do not want to play one masquerading as a solid-body.
 
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So I guess you need to play a Telecaster if you want a true solid body electric guitar, eh?







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I think the way they are chambering the 2012 Les Pauls is perfect. The 2008 chambering basically made it a semi-hollow. I also like how the newer 2012 Les Pauls have a longer tenon, probably increasing stability and sustain. Good job Gibson, except I don't really like the 2012 standard specs, as much (baked maple, compound radius). Though I do like a compound radius to an extent. On 'Pauls, I want a straight 12" radius, though on a telecaster, I wouldn't mind a 10-16" compound radius, but I also enjoy the 9.5" or 7.25" radius.

I rambled too much.

So I guess you need to play a Telecaster if you want a true solid body electric guitar, eh?
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lols, there is also the SG.
 
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I don't freaking care if they are chambered or weight relieved. It doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I've never played a Les Paul from the 50's or 60's and I probably never will. What matters to me is if it plays and feels well enough for me.

That said, I'm jonesing bad for a LP Trad Pro. My bandmate is selling his and I'm praying he has it long enough to where I can buy it from him. I had it for a week to do a setup for him on it and as it settled in, it played better and better. Then I played it at a gig and just fell in love with the thing.

Some people need to quit sniffing glue or whatever else they are on and listen with their ears and feel with their hands and heart rather than spec sheets and internet banter.
 
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Some people need to quit sniffing glue or whatever else they are on and listen with their ears and feel with their hands and heart rather than spec sheets and internet banter.


if they did that there wouldnt be anything to post about
 
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I don't freaking care if they are chambered or weight relieved. It doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I've never played a Les Paul from the 50's or 60's and I probably never will. What matters to me is if it plays and feels well enough for me.

That said, I'm jonesing bad for a LP Trad Pro. My bandmate is selling is and I'm praying he has it long enough to where I can buy it from him. I had it for a week to do a setup for him on it and as it settled in, it played better and better. Then I played it at a gig and just fell in love with the thing.

Some people need to quit sniffing glue or whatever else they are on and listen with their ears and feel with their hands and heart rather than spec sheets and internet banter.

Yeah, we should definitely not discount a guitar because of one feature or another. It's all just a part of the whole.

My nicest, most expensive guitar has a fully chambered mahogany body and a laminated maple top. It's built incredibly well, plays perfectly, and has sweet tone that you can't get anywhere else. It's a Gretsch Duo Jet.

But ...

I think the thing that is bothering a lot of people is not that a chambered or weight relieved Les Paul sucks; it's that the reasons for carving up the body are a bit suspect. Like I said, the original (and now most coveted) Les Pauls were completely solid. Gibson didn't have to drill weight relief holes or route chambers, because the wood they used back then was nice and light. A typical Les Paul barely weighed more than a Strat or Tele.

Now they're telling us that they have to weight relieve the mahogany, otherwise we'd end up with 13 lb boat anchors strapped to our shoulders. The thing they still haven't told us, even after this informative article, is why they have to do this now. Of course, the answer is plainly obvious: the wood they're using isn't light enough.

If Gibson were willing to pay for lighter mahogany, they would. What probably happened is that someone did a cost-benefit analysis of paying more for better wood vs. chambering the cheaper wood, and went with the second option. That's it.

So now we have Les Pauls that have drifted away from the original design simply because someone in the corporate office wanted to save a few bucks, not because it makes sense from a product quality standpoint.

That's the way things work now, I guess.
 
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Yeah, we should definitely not discount a guitar because of one feature or another. It's all just a part of the whole.

My nicest, most expensive guitar has a fully chambered mahogany body and a laminated maple top. It's built incredibly well, plays perfectly, and has sweet tone that you can't get anywhere else. It's a Gretsch Duo Jet.

But ...

I think the thing that is bothering a lot of people is not that a chambered or weight relieved Les Paul sucks; it's that the reasons for carving up the body are a bit suspect. Like I said, the original (and now most coveted) Les Pauls were completely solid. Gibson didn't have to drill weight relief holes or route chambers, because the wood they used back then was nice and light. A typical Les Paul barely weighed more than a Strat or Tele.

Now they're telling us that they have to weight relieve the mahogany, otherwise we'd end up with 13 lb boat anchors strapped to our shoulders. The thing they still haven't told us, even after this informative article, is why they have to do this now. Of course, the answer is plainly obvious: the wood they're using isn't light enough.

If Gibson were willing to pay for lighter mahogany, they would. What probably happened is that someone did a cost-benefit analysis of paying more for better wood vs. chambering the cheaper wood, and went with the second option. That's it.

So now we have Les Pauls that have drifted away from the original design simply because someone in the corporate office wanted to save a few bucks, not because it makes sense from a product quality standpoint.

That's the way things work now, I guess.

Let's not forget the fact that they cannot get Honduran mahogany like they could 40-50 years ago. Guitars being made from Honduran mahogany didn't start then either. Acoustics had been using it for years and that same wood was used for who knows what else besides guitars. What that led to is Honduran needing to be preserved and on limited and controlled quantities, otherwise it would be gone forever. That in itself most likely led to the search for an alternative mahogany.

Does it save money using other species? I have no flipping clue, I'm not the accountant. I don't even know if lighter mahogany is more expensive than heavier mahogany. I've never priced it through different sources to know that for a fact at the quantities that they buy it at.

Fenders have drifted away from the original design too in the grand scheme. So what? It's 2012, things change, and to survive the companies have to make adjustments too.

It's time to come to grips with the fact that you're (meaning the general guitarist consumer) is not going to get a perfectly spec'd out to the 50's or 60's Les Paul made the exact same way using the same species wood and not have to pay out the nose for it. Just the rarity of Honduran Mahogany is going to dictate that, not to mention the labor costs of a luthier to build it (like they were back then), and all that jazz.

They have been weight relieving Les Pauls for years. My only guess as to why explain it now is because so many people are getting their panties in a wad over it.
 
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I don't care if it's weight-relieved, chambered or modern weight-relieved........ the headstock will still spontaneously break off.....
 
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Let's not forget the fact that they cannot get Honduran mahogany like they could 40-50 years ago. Guitars being made from Honduran mahogany didn't start then either. Acoustics had been using it for years and that same wood was used for who knows what else besides guitars. What that led to is Honduran needing to be preserved and on limited and controlled quantities, otherwise it would be gone forever. That in itself most likely led to the search for an alternative mahogany.

Does it save money using other species? I have no flipping clue, I'm not the accountant. I don't even know if lighter mahogany is more expensive than heavier mahogany. I've never priced it through different sources to know that for a fact at the quantities that they buy it at.

Fenders have drifted away from the original design too in the grand scheme. So what? It's 2012, things change, and to survive the companies have to make adjustments too.

It's time to come to grips with the fact that you're (meaning the general guitarist consumer) is not going to get a perfectly spec'd out to the 50's or 60's Les Paul made the exact same way using the same species wood and not have to pay out the nose for it. Just the rarity of Honduran Mahogany is going to dictate that, not to mention the labor costs of a luthier to build it (like they were back then), and all that jazz.

They have been weight relieving Les Pauls for years. My only guess as to why explain it now is because so many people are getting their panties in a wad over it.

Very good points.

Honestly, I personally don't care either way if a modern Les Paul is weight relieved. Same way I don't care that the American Standard Strat has a 9.5" radius, Schaller tuners, and a two point trem. If it's a good guitar, it's a good guitar.

I'm just explaining why people might be put off by this whole thing.
 
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Very good points.

Honestly, I personally don't care either way if a modern Les Paul is weight relieved. Same way I don't care that the American Standard Strat has a 9.5" radius, Schaller tuners, and a two point trem. If it's a good guitar, it's a good guitar.

Same here. Hell, the LP Trad Pro I so badly want to own is about as modern a LP as you can get without having a Floyd Rose on it.

I'm just explaining why people might be put off by this whole thing.

All good points too.
 
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