Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...

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Edgecrusher said:
Meh... Gibson can do no right... they try to innovate a little, people bring the hate... they dont change people whine they arent not trying. Unless Gibson starts giving LP's for free people will still jump their nuts no matter what they do.
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When Gibson does not innovate, people say "they are sticking to old 50 year old ideas" (actually more than that). Whenever they try new things people say "what the hell are they doing, it's worked for 50 years...why change it". And both sides add..."Henry is nuts". Like you said....can't win.
 
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jtees4 said:
people say "they are sticking to old 50 year old ideas" (actually more than that). Whenever they try new things people say "what the hell are they doing, it's worked for 50 years...why change it"
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Both can be valid. They will try something like fret over binding or use brass nuts, and it's not a significant enough benefit to justify deviating from vintage correctness, but then they'll forgo improvements that would be worthwhile, such as strengthening the neck joint so that your guitar isn't at as great of a risk of having the head stock snap off, or generally finding ways to offer more quality for less money.
 
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jtees4 said:
When Gibson does not innovate, people say "they are sticking to old 50 year old ideas" (actually more than that). Whenever they try new things people say "what the hell are they doing, it's worked for 50 years...why change it". And both sides add..."Henry is nuts". Like you said....can't win.
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Really? All they ever had to do was have two product lines and players would have gotten what they wanted: traditional and modern. They've tried to straddle an impossible middle ground which they should have learned decades ago was a no-win situation. As long as they stick with that failed plan, no one should be surprised that there's complaints. When they brought back the LP in 1968, how many attempts and how many years did it take for them to finally give the public what they were begging for all along? They'd do better if they were more interested in what the guitar-buying public wants, and less interested in what management wants.
 
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blueman335 said:
Really? All they ever had to do was have two product lines and players would have gotten what they wanted: traditional and modern.
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What are you talking about? Thats what they have now. Maybe its not how you envision it but thats how it is. They have Gibson USA's which have the modern appoinments, wiring and color. Then they have the Custom shop which caters to the guys who want vintage correctness.

Doesnt matter what gibson does people will complain.

People forget that they fixed the headstock issue and got blasted for it.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
What are you talking about? Thats what they have now. Maybe its not how you envision it but thats how it is. They have Gibson USA's which have the modern appoinments, wiring and color. Then they have the Custom shop which caters to the guys who want vintage correctness.

Doesnt matter what gibson does people will complain.

People forget that they fixed the headstock issue and got blasted for it.
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I think the maple necks with volutes was an idea that should've stayed. I would totally get one of those Norlin models if I found one that played, sounded, and looked great at a nice price point.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
Thats what they have now. Maybe its not how you envision it but thats how it is. They have Gibson USA's which have the modern appoinments, wiring and color. Then they have the Custom shop which caters to the guys who want vintage correctness.
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Standard production isn't modern enough for a lot of young players and they're the future. It's still pretty conservative compared to a lot of companies; they want more than a few 'modern appointments' on guitars that were considered traditional-looking back when they were introduced in the 1950's. Custom shop doesn't count; way out of the price range of the average player, even the average Gibson player. Straddling the fence isn't the way to get people excited.
 
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80's_Metal said:
I don't understand the hate.
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Either do I, but some people get pretty riled up. Gibson could avoid some problems by doing things differently, but at the end of the day it's their decision on how to make their guitars. You don't have to buy them. There's plenty of other options out there.
 
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It's more about the suddenness of the change, and the lack of input from the buyers.

The only features that seem logical are the new knobs, Allen bridges, and maybe the G-Force (if it worked well and could used normal ratio tuners).

The wider neck, the zero, fret, and such should have not been put on every model. If you kept it to the standard, they would have noticed sales would move to the classic, traditional, and studio models as a response.
 
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I'm honestly digging the Memphis line, and for as much as I love Explorers, 335's are much more my sound. And they're being built with awesome specs. Bone nuts, Grover Tuners, locking bridges, and low profile frets FTW.
 
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I'm always happy to see more f-hole Les Pauls, but the ash black Epi Florentine is almost exactly six times cheaper than the nearest equivalent 2015 Gibson "Cobra Burst" Les Paul at $3,499. I think the thing that offends me about it is that you have to be enough of guitar snob to pay twice as much for a domestic version, but to pay six times as much, differences in quality notwithstanding, puts you in the f'ing major leagues.

Low profile frets sounds like a dubious feature, like they could wear out and you'd have to resort to refretting sooner, since you don't have as much material to shave down in future level jobs.
 
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blueman335 said:
Standard production isn't modern enough for a lot of young players and they're the future. It's still pretty conservative compared to a lot of companies; they want more than a few 'modern appointments' on guitars that were considered traditional-looking back when they were introduced in the 1950's. Custom shop doesn't count; way out of the price range of the average player, even the average Gibson player. Straddling the fence isn't the way to get people excited.
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Ummm almost all the lower end beginner guitars are based off traditional designs. Low end LP copies are real popular. You see to be forgetting that there really isnt anything "modern" in guitar. Even shred sticks are 30 years old. Gibson trying to move in on the low end schecters and ltd's would be stupid. Not to mention at that point they are competing with their own epiphone line.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
Ummm almost all the lower end beginner guitars are based off traditional designs.
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And the younger guys usually don't have a couple grand to drop on a single guitar, so they're some of the guys that would like to see some Gibsons with more modern designs that are in their price range. Why couldn't Gibson come up with a viable competitor to super Strats? Are they hoping that they're a fad that will go away?
 
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DreX said:
Low profile frets sounds like a dubious feature, like they could wear out and you'd have to resort to refretting sooner, since you don't have as much material to shave down in future level jobs.
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Yeah they wear down easier, but I find them to be more comfortable as well. I'll take a few more refrets for more playability.
 
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blueman335 said:
And the younger guys usually don't have a couple grand to drop on a single guitar, so they're some of the guys that would like to see some Gibsons with more modern designs that are in their price range. Why couldn't Gibson come up with a viable competitor to super Strats? Are they hoping that they're a fad that will go away?
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What are you talkng about a couple grand? The tributes were street priced in the 700 dollar range.

Why would you compete in an area that is already saturated? it doesnt make good business sense. Between gibson and epiphone they cover all price ranges. you dont see people bagging schecter cause they dont make enough affordable LP copies. Its a non starter.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
What are you talkng about a couple grand? The tributes were street priced in the 700 dollar range.

Why would you compete in an area that is already saturated? it doesnt make good business sense. Between gibson and epiphone they cover all price ranges. you dont see people bagging schecter cause they dont make enough affordable LP copies. Its a non starter.
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Yeah I remember those Faded LP's and SG's. Great priced guitars. Even the LPM's are pretty good. I've played a few and they sound great for the price. Gibson gets a lot of **** for whatever reason, but if you take the time to look past the Les Paul Standards, you can find some really nice instruments.
 
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Johnny the Kid said:
Yeah I remember those Faded LP's and SG's. Great priced guitars. Even the LPM's are pretty good. I've played a few and they sound great for the price. Gibson gets a lot of **** for whatever reason, but if you take the time to look past the Les Paul Standards, you can find some really nice instruments.
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They did the melody makers too...

Im not sure what the deal is, why they attract so much hate. Its not like hating them and whining on a forum about it will make Henry change anything. Then again I wouldnt buy from a company that changes their product lines only cause people are whining about them.
 
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Edgecrusher said:
They did the melody makers too...

Im not sure what the deal is, why they attract so much hate. Its not like hating them and whining on a forum about it will make Henry change anything. Then again I wouldnt buy from a company that changes their product lines only cause people are whining about them.
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I think the changes we got were for the same reason as the Firebird X (look it up if you don't know about it, too much to explain on here). Gibson spent a ton of money on R&D and wanted to see some return.
 
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