Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
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Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I'm still a fan of the faded series. When you play one that is "right" they are really special and one helluva guitar for the price.
I'm still a fan of the faded series. When you play one that is "right" they are really special and one helluva guitar for the price.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
'Bare'? I assumed they keep their clothes on when they're pricing models. On the other hand, like many manufacturers, Gibson charges what the market will bear. And let me say, Gibson's corporate offices no doubt let out an audible collective sigh of relief when they heard that you 'Don't necessarily hate them.' That's got to be a weight off their shoulders.
'Bare'? I assumed they keep their clothes on when they're pricing models. On the other hand, like many manufacturers, Gibson charges what the market will bear. And let me say, Gibson's corporate offices no doubt let out an audible collective sigh of relief when they heard that you 'Don't necessarily hate them.' That's got to be a weight off their shoulders.
DreX
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Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I mostly hate the people who are willing to pay those prices, allowing the prices to be what they are.
I mostly hate the people who are willing to pay those prices, allowing the prices to be what they are.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
What about Music Man's prices? I'd love to be able to pickup a brand new Stingray for $500. Is it everyone else's fault that they pay that price or mine for just not saving up the money for it?
What about Music Man's prices? I'd love to be able to pickup a brand new Stingray for $500. Is it everyone else's fault that they pay that price or mine for just not saving up the money for it?
DreX
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Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
It looks like they for about $1700? The semi comparable Sterling goes for $700. If comparing Gibson to the Epiphone like, say a Sheriton to a ES-355, that's going from $500 - $600 to $3,500-$4,000. Is it's Gibson's fault that this is possible? No. Is it someone's fault? Yes. I don't have their name and number, but they're out there somewhere.
It looks like they for about $1700? The semi comparable Sterling goes for $700. If comparing Gibson to the Epiphone like, say a Sheriton to a ES-355, that's going from $500 - $600 to $3,500-$4,000. Is it's Gibson's fault that this is possible? No. Is it someone's fault? Yes. I don't have their name and number, but they're out there somewhere.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Les Paul
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-les-paul-special-pro-electric-guitar
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/epiphone-les-paul-studio-electric-guitar/518351
Les Paul
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-les-paul-special-pro-electric-guitar
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/epiphone-les-paul-studio-electric-guitar/518351
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Why do you care what other people do with their money?
Why do you care what other people do with their money?
DreX
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Because it dictates fmv
Because it dictates fmv
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Seems weird to me... You hate other people because they have money to spend that you dont. Just seems like such an empty waste of energy to be concerned with what others can buy.
Sure i cant say i like the process but it sure wouldnt cause me to hate someone over it.
Seems weird to me... You hate other people because they have money to spend that you dont. Just seems like such an empty waste of energy to be concerned with what others can buy.
Sure i cant say i like the process but it sure wouldnt cause me to hate someone over it.
Snake Aces
Singlecut Slut
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Welcome to economics 101, supply and demand. It's no different than the guys who pay ridiculous prices for Marshall TSL amps. There is no reason to hate anybody just because a particular company is able to sell their product at a premium price. If anything we should be praising companies like PRS, Gibson and Fender for making instruments that are actually worth a damn. I am glad somebody out there actually gives a rat's ass about guitars.
Welcome to economics 101, supply and demand. It's no different than the guys who pay ridiculous prices for Marshall TSL amps. There is no reason to hate anybody just because a particular company is able to sell their product at a premium price. If anything we should be praising companies like PRS, Gibson and Fender for making instruments that are actually worth a damn. I am glad somebody out there actually gives a rat's ass about guitars.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Really it is.. its the way of everything. I had a girl bring me her boyfriend a couple weeks ago and he gave me the schpiel that 20 years ago when he got his first tattoo the cost was 20,000 lire per hour (like about 30 bucks) and now here I am and I want 150 euro for an hour! With popularity and demand the price has gone up. It happens to everything.
Really it is.. its the way of everything. I had a girl bring me her boyfriend a couple weeks ago and he gave me the schpiel that 20 years ago when he got his first tattoo the cost was 20,000 lire per hour (like about 30 bucks) and now here I am and I want 150 euro for an hour! With popularity and demand the price has gone up. It happens to everything.
DreX
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I can appreciate the fact that things cost more when there's intrinsic value to be had, it's how most things end up priced the way they are, like a house with a view, or a car with amenities, but Gibson can demand high prices mostly due to extrinsic qualities, which is to say, their snob appeal. Other guitar brands are able to charge a bit more for their brand appeal, but Gibson is able to take it to a further extreme because so many guitar buyers see them as the Rolex of the guitar world. I'm willing to buy premium guitars, but not Gibsons, they're able to charge way too much for the name alone.
I can appreciate the fact that things cost more when there's intrinsic value to be had, it's how most things end up priced the way they are, like a house with a view, or a car with amenities, but Gibson can demand high prices mostly due to extrinsic qualities, which is to say, their snob appeal. Other guitar brands are able to charge a bit more for their brand appeal, but Gibson is able to take it to a further extreme because so many guitar buyers see them as the Rolex of the guitar world. I'm willing to buy premium guitars, but not Gibsons, they're able to charge way too much for the name alone.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Come on... have you seen the mark up on Iphones? Gibson has nothing on apple.
Prices are not and not since a barter economy have EVER been set by intrinsic value alone. The markup for the leather seats in your Mercedes sure isnt because of its intrinsic value.
Still , I wouldnt hate anyone just cause they have more money to spend than me.
BTW that last quote really makes it seem like you got a thing against Gibson too... not just their customers.
Come on... have you seen the mark up on Iphones? Gibson has nothing on apple.
Prices are not and not since a barter economy have EVER been set by intrinsic value alone. The markup for the leather seats in your Mercedes sure isnt because of its intrinsic value.
Still , I wouldnt hate anyone just cause they have more money to spend than me.
BTW that last quote really makes it seem like you got a thing against Gibson too... not just their customers.
DreX
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Businesses are about making money. I'm willing to laugh at Gibson for making what I perceive as bad business decisions, but I don't fault them for pursuing profit.
How they spend their money. There are lots of reasons to hate how people spend their money. Many people hate what the Koch bros. or George Soros spend their money on, because it ends up affecting more than just the person spending the money. People hate it when an area becomes gentrified. People hate it when car buyers buy gas guzzlers and spend a lot of money burning gas, or turn a pristine town into a popular tourist destination. I hate it when buyers over inflate the value of an item way above it's intrinsic or it's utility value.
Businesses are about making money. I'm willing to laugh at Gibson for making what I perceive as bad business decisions, but I don't fault them for pursuing profit.
How they spend their money. There are lots of reasons to hate how people spend their money. Many people hate what the Koch bros. or George Soros spend their money on, because it ends up affecting more than just the person spending the money. People hate it when an area becomes gentrified. People hate it when car buyers buy gas guzzlers and spend a lot of money burning gas, or turn a pristine town into a popular tourist destination. I hate it when buyers over inflate the value of an item way above it's intrinsic or it's utility value.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
While this is a fascinating insight into your psyche and explains just oh so much about you and how you behave on this forum you are trying to shift the argument. We arent talking about "people" we are talking about you dont try to deflect it. (even though the deflection itself is an interesting insight)
What it boils down to you hate a company and their customers because you are jealous that they have more money than you. This is the crux of what you are saying.
We may disagree a lot, but at this moment I truly hope for you own sake that one day you can see the silliness of hating like that. As Maya Angelou has said “Hate, it has caused a lot of problems in the world, but has not solved one yet.”
While this is a fascinating insight into your psyche and explains just oh so much about you and how you behave on this forum you are trying to shift the argument. We arent talking about "people" we are talking about you dont try to deflect it. (even though the deflection itself is an interesting insight)
What it boils down to you hate a company and their customers because you are jealous that they have more money than you. This is the crux of what you are saying.
We may disagree a lot, but at this moment I truly hope for you own sake that one day you can see the silliness of hating like that. As Maya Angelou has said “Hate, it has caused a lot of problems in the world, but has not solved one yet.”
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
That's one of the stupidest comments I've ever read here. Find something better to do with your time, and hopefully one day you won't let such trivial things get under your skin. Seriously, if you're going to hate something, don't waste the passion and thought on something this petty in the grand scheme of things.
That's one of the stupidest comments I've ever read here. Find something better to do with your time, and hopefully one day you won't let such trivial things get under your skin. Seriously, if you're going to hate something, don't waste the passion and thought on something this petty in the grand scheme of things.
DreX
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
ANYWAY, I suspect that you understand now that how a person spends their money influences other things and effects other people, and is therefor a matter of concern, not only to the buyer and the seller. That's the important lesson to be taken away from this. We don't live in market isolation. Every purchase you make has a tiny effect on the price others will eventually pay, for better or worse. When buyers spend $5000 on a Gibson that might be priced $2000 if it were made by anyone else, it's for the worse.
ANYWAY, I suspect that you understand now that how a person spends their money influences other things and effects other people, and is therefor a matter of concern, not only to the buyer and the seller. That's the important lesson to be taken away from this. We don't live in market isolation. Every purchase you make has a tiny effect on the price others will eventually pay, for better or worse. When buyers spend $5000 on a Gibson that might be priced $2000 if it were made by anyone else, it's for the worse.
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