DreX
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Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Who said I can't buy them? I just bought a $2K Zemaitis.
Who said I can't buy them? I just bought a $2K Zemaitis.
Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
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Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
They have a few in the Gibson Memphis line which handles all of their semi-hollows and archtop hollow-bodies.
This might sound weird, but I like lower end semi-hollows with P90's because they tend to have a nastier sound in my opinion.
They have a few in the Gibson Memphis line which handles all of their semi-hollows and archtop hollow-bodies.
This might sound weird, but I like lower end semi-hollows with P90's because they tend to have a nastier sound in my opinion.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I don't think I've ever tried a semi-hollow with P90s. What separates the Nashville lineup from the main lineup?
Also, don't feed the troll. Let it starve to death.
I don't think I've ever tried a semi-hollow with P90s. What separates the Nashville lineup from the main lineup?
Also, don't feed the troll. Let it starve to death.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
The Nashville line is the regular line. The Memphis line is pretty new and builds all the Gibson semi-hollow and hollow-body guitars. The Memphis line also appears to be more of the classic features, with bone nuts, Grover tuners, and vintage style frets.
The Nashville line is the regular line. The Memphis line is pretty new and builds all the Gibson semi-hollow and hollow-body guitars. The Memphis line also appears to be more of the classic features, with bone nuts, Grover tuners, and vintage style frets.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I had no idea. I'm going to check that out right now.
I had no idea. I'm going to check that out right now.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Yeah I went to Nashville when i was 13 and saw the factory. The Memphis line is like new this year or last year. I can't remember which.
Yeah I went to Nashville when i was 13 and saw the factory. The Memphis line is like new this year or last year. I can't remember which.
voggin
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I think it's older than that. I've got an ES339 from around 2010 that was built in Memphis.
It's kinda cool how Nashville and Memphis seem to operate independently. Memphis is going "retro with minor improvements" while Nashville is going all-out innovation.
I think it's older than that. I've got an ES339 from around 2010 that was built in Memphis.
It's kinda cool how Nashville and Memphis seem to operate independently. Memphis is going "retro with minor improvements" while Nashville is going all-out innovation.
Johnny the Kid
Shaunofthedeadologist
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Oh ok. I guess they've really started marketing the Memphis line then in the last couple years. I'm digging the 335's the Memphis line is churning out.
Oh ok. I guess they've really started marketing the Memphis line then in the last couple years. I'm digging the 335's the Memphis line is churning out.
Mr. B
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I didn't think Les Paul Standards were that overpriced until the $1,100 jump from the 2014 line to the 2015's.
Lets see, how much would it cost me to add the new features to a 2014 Les Paul...
Titanium saddles: $63
Brass Nut: $18
G-Force Tuning System: $149
Hologram Sticker: $1
Abalone Inlays: $50
Total: $281 ...and that is considering I would be ordering each thing one-off at retail price.
Where did the other 819 extra dollars I would be spending go?
Then take into account that I would probably remove the brass nut (if you can even replace them with a traditional bone nut), remove the tuning system, might or might not like the sound of titanium saddles, and can't remove the hologram sticker or ugly headstock inscription... and it begins to seem like a bit of a bad joke at the consumer's expense.
I didn't think Les Paul Standards were that overpriced until the $1,100 jump from the 2014 line to the 2015's.
Lets see, how much would it cost me to add the new features to a 2014 Les Paul...
Titanium saddles: $63
Brass Nut: $18
G-Force Tuning System: $149
Hologram Sticker: $1
Abalone Inlays: $50
Total: $281 ...and that is considering I would be ordering each thing one-off at retail price.
Where did the other 819 extra dollars I would be spending go?
Then take into account that I would probably remove the brass nut (if you can even replace them with a traditional bone nut), remove the tuning system, might or might not like the sound of titanium saddles, and can't remove the hologram sticker or ugly headstock inscription... and it begins to seem like a bit of a bad joke at the consumer's expense.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I think the reason they hiked the price was to make them more scarce. It's much easier for them to retain their value if they aren't mass-produced and sold at mass-produced prices; they want to be thought of as a "high end" or "prestigious" brand. They can run their company however they like. That's probably their reasoning. However, there has to be demand, but time will tell how that goes.
Now, have you even played any of the 2015 models? Do you really think the changes will make the guitar unplayable? If its not your taste, that's fine, but put emphasis on the words, *your taste*. Everyone's preferences are different, and that doesn't make a guitar suck, just different to different people. What if despite the new features which you may not prefer, there was a general increase in the quality/craftsmanship? Would that justify a price increase? I'm sure it would to some people.
I think it just comes down to trying out multiple guitars, and deciding "this is my thing" or "this is not my thing". Bashing gear is just stupid IMHO. Another man's trash is another man's treasure, don't be the guy to piss on their parade.
I think the reason they hiked the price was to make them more scarce. It's much easier for them to retain their value if they aren't mass-produced and sold at mass-produced prices; they want to be thought of as a "high end" or "prestigious" brand. They can run their company however they like. That's probably their reasoning. However, there has to be demand, but time will tell how that goes.
Now, have you even played any of the 2015 models? Do you really think the changes will make the guitar unplayable? If its not your taste, that's fine, but put emphasis on the words, *your taste*. Everyone's preferences are different, and that doesn't make a guitar suck, just different to different people. What if despite the new features which you may not prefer, there was a general increase in the quality/craftsmanship? Would that justify a price increase? I'm sure it would to some people.
I think it just comes down to trying out multiple guitars, and deciding "this is my thing" or "this is not my thing". Bashing gear is just stupid IMHO. Another man's trash is another man's treasure, don't be the guy to piss on their parade.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
You make the incorrect assumption that the price increase was only to cover the cost of new features. The jump was 800 not 1100 btw.
The price increase also reflects a decrease in the supply as gibson had stated previously they wanted to move towards lower production with higher quality. If lower production is their aim prices will go up just to offset the drop in supply.
You make the incorrect assumption that the price increase was only to cover the cost of new features. The jump was 800 not 1100 btw.
The price increase also reflects a decrease in the supply as gibson had stated previously they wanted to move towards lower production with higher quality. If lower production is their aim prices will go up just to offset the drop in supply.
DreX
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
You gotta realize that the price has almost nothing to do with parts costs. It didn't in 2014, it doesn't in 2015. It's all purely strategic. In industries where name brand has no importance, when two companies can make the exact same thing, then naturally the price will be driven down by competition and unit cost will become floor past which neither company can descend (occasionally companies will sell at a loss, though), but Gibson has trademark/copyright/etc. on their coveted models, so they have the market by the balls and need not worry about unit cost so much worry about what the customer is or is not willing to pay.
You gotta realize that the price has almost nothing to do with parts costs. It didn't in 2014, it doesn't in 2015. It's all purely strategic. In industries where name brand has no importance, when two companies can make the exact same thing, then naturally the price will be driven down by competition and unit cost will become floor past which neither company can descend (occasionally companies will sell at a loss, though), but Gibson has trademark/copyright/etc. on their coveted models, so they have the market by the balls and need not worry about unit cost so much worry about what the customer is or is not willing to pay.
Mr. B
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I'm looking at 2 different catalogs, Musician's Friend and American Musical, from early 2014 and then 2015, and the price jump is $1,100 in both. Maybe the prices of the 2014's had already dropped by then ??? but the difference is $1,100.
I'm looking at 2 different catalogs, Musician's Friend and American Musical, from early 2014 and then 2015, and the price jump is $1,100 in both. Maybe the prices of the 2014's had already dropped by then ??? but the difference is $1,100.
Edgecrusher
Well-known member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Are you looking at the MAP or what the street price actually was?
Are you looking at the MAP or what the street price actually was?
GAS-a-holic
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
FWIW, GC is advertising a limited run of 2015 Les Pauls with a traditional neck and tuners. Looks like the Standard, Traditional, Classic & Studio. Prices range from $999 for the Studio to $2,799 for the Standard.
Did somebody wake Henry up.... finally?
FWIW, GC is advertising a limited run of 2015 Les Pauls with a traditional neck and tuners. Looks like the Standard, Traditional, Classic & Studio. Prices range from $999 for the Studio to $2,799 for the Standard.
Did somebody wake Henry up.... finally?
Mr. B
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Yep.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-2015-Les-Paul-Standard-SR-111518981-i4486557.gc
They shouldn't just be available in a very limited run. If they can still make them in this much more traditional configuration, it should be a regular part of their line. I guess so many people have asked for them at guitar center that they have struck a deal with Gibson to crank some out.
Yep.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-2015-Les-Paul-Standard-SR-111518981-i4486557.gc
They shouldn't just be available in a very limited run. If they can still make them in this much more traditional configuration, it should be a regular part of their line. I guess so many people have asked for them at guitar center that they have struck a deal with Gibson to crank some out.
GAS-a-holic
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
I agree - hopefully these will sell through quickly and Gibson will get the message. If they would make these part of the regular line I would consider getting one.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
Sometimes they do get the message. Around 2008/2009 when the economy was tanking both Gibson and Fender thought it would be an ideal time to raise prices, what with people losing jobs and homes, & having less disposable income. It didn't take long before they rolled back prices, as apparently inventory wasn't moving at a brisk pace. It was one of the most bone-headed price increases I've ever seen.
Sometimes they do get the message. Around 2008/2009 when the economy was tanking both Gibson and Fender thought it would be an ideal time to raise prices, what with people losing jobs and homes, & having less disposable income. It didn't take long before they rolled back prices, as apparently inventory wasn't moving at a brisk pace. It was one of the most bone-headed price increases I've ever seen.
Mr. B
New member
Re: Well well, Gibson has lowered prices on its 2015 line...
The fact that these regular standards are still $2,799.00 makes the price for the new "improved" standards even more insulting. An extra thousand dollars for parts and hologram stickers I would pay them 20 dollars to leave off...
The fact that these regular standards are still $2,799.00 makes the price for the new "improved" standards even more insulting. An extra thousand dollars for parts and hologram stickers I would pay them 20 dollars to leave off...