What am I looking for here?

Re: What am I looking for here?

Jeff Dunne said:
I know exactly what you're trying to do - went through it myself.

You're going to have to either run a midi rack unit, or hit two switches at once. I found the former much easier and cost effective - wire a jack in place of the pedals footswitch, run a cable out to the footswitch housed in a smaller box, placed near the channel footswitch.

Or, just stick the pedal next to it.

Another good idea! Certainly a lot cheaper :laugh2:
Is that what you use right now? Got any pics? :banana:
 
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Did you check into the midi matrix cable by Bogner? That's your solution. Everyone who uses Ecstasys in a midi setup, uses that cable. It takes a midi signal and converts it into the same plug that fits the female jack on the amp.
Then, your channels are controlled by midi. Email Bogner and ask how much.
 
Re: What am I looking for here?

Gearjoneser said:
Did you check into the midi matrix cable by Bogner? That's your solution. Everyone who uses Ecstasys in a midi setup, uses that cable. It takes a midi signal and converts it into the same plug that fits the female jack on the amp.
Then, your channels are controlled by midi. Email Bogner and ask how much.


I did not know that Bogner has this midi function; so you could plug an amp modeler in and get tripped out sounds via the bogner clean channel, or is this not recommended? Line 6:

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Hmm I'm not shure how this Medusa cable looks like, I tried to search for it on the net but found no pics. From the bogner site I understand that it is basicly a patch cable going from a midi 7 pin style to 7 seperate 1/4 jack plugs? Does that mean that I will have to find a midi fx unit with 7 jacks? This is kinda unclear to me.

Isn't there some midi 101 site with pics? This might help me understand a bit better what has been said in this thread. Thanks a lot for the help so far guys! You all have been great!
 
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I'm thinking about getting a TC g-sharp and that behringer footswitch or maybe the yamaha one, will those work?
 
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Nightburst said:
What are some midi fx unit's that are good candidates?

I like this one:

http://www.thomann.de/thoiw7_tc_m300_multi_effects_prodinfo.html

Combined with this one?

http://www.thomann.de/thoiw7_behringer_fcb_1010_prodinfo.html

The M300 is a vocal unit, mostly. As you can see in the description on that site, it has a de-esser, which is an effect that softens the sound of a spoken or sung letter S, to compensate the hissing sound. Not something you're likely to use for guitar.

The G-sharp you mention in your last post is interesting though. I'm checking out that one myself too - although the G-major seems far more tempting. I need a 19" multieffectsprocessor, as my new Brunetti amp doesn't work well with pedals or my Boss GT-8. The signal level coming from the FX send is far more powerful than regular pedals will take, and there's no send level adjustment.
You're from The Hague, right? You should take a look at the Max Guitarstore on the Laan van Meerdervoort, Robbert has a pile of G-sharps. He also has a secondhand Behringer BCB1010 midi-floorboard in his window, for 99 euros or something. You may find that interesting.
 
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Jeroen said:
The M300 is a vocal unit, mostly. As you can see in the description on that site, it has a de-esser, which is an effect that softens the sound of a spoken or sung letter S, to compensate the hissing sound. Not something you're likely to use for guitar.

The G-sharp you mention in your last post is interesting though. I'm checking out that one myself too - although the G-major seems far more tempting. I need a 19" multieffectsprocessor, as my new Brunetti amp doesn't work well with pedals or my Boss GT-8. The signal level coming from the FX send is far more powerful than regular pedals will take, and there's no send level adjustment.
You're from The Hague, right? You should take a look at the Max Guitarstore on the Laan van Meerdervoort, Robbert has a pile of G-sharps. He also has a secondhand Behringer BCB1010 midi-floorboard in his window, for 99 euros or something. You may find that interesting.

Really? Thanks a bunch!!! :beerchug:
I'm not from the hague, live close to Leiden. I didn't even know that store. Def gonna check it out!

Yeah the G-major seems to be the better choice but I guess the G-sharp has all the basic needs for someone who's not to heavy on fx. Can always upgrade later if I want more.

That brunetti of yours seems very promising, I've never heard one, how would you describe the tone compared to Marshall or Mesa? Got any soundclips?
Too bad it doesn't take pedals well? maybe you need to turn back some knobs to allow more transparancy? Thats what mostly works for me if a pedal doesn't blend in nicely.
 
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Nightburst said:
Really? Thanks a bunch!!! :beerchug:
I'm not from the hague, live close to Leiden. I didn't even know that store. Def gonna check it out!

Yeah, you really should :). It's not a big store, but they have a LOT in stock. You'll be amazed by the amount of Custom Shop Fenders and Gibsons they managed to cram in that fairly little space. And then there's all the Blades, MXG's, PRS and whatnot. But also very affordable stuff. Ampwise, the range includes a lot of Budda (Max Guitars is the Benelux distributor for Budda), lots and lots of Koch, some Orange and H&K and a bit of Mesa, and so on. They also stock a large load of FX-pedals in ALL price ranges. It's really worthwhile to check that store out. Plus, the owner, Robbert, is a very nice and friendly guy.


Nightburst said:
That Brunetti of yours seems very promising, I've never heard one, how would you describe the tone compared to Marshall or Mesa? Got any soundclips?

It's a very nice amp, and affordable for what it has to offer. It's a three-channel amp, ranging from pristine clean to over the top distortion (I usually keep the gain of the third channel below 6). The clean is Fenderish, especially if you play a little with the EQ. I now have the EQ setup with bass at 7, mids at 5 and treble at 3 and have now come very close to the Fender Twin sound. Although the treble is set low, it's still reasonably bright, like a Fender. The treble level is largely influenced by the mid setting. There's an added Bright-switch, but I rarely touch it.
The crunch channel has a range from an edgy clean tone (with far less highs than the clean channel) to a full driven Angus Young like Marshall tone. I mainly use this amp with a Strat, and it loses some of its sparkle on this channel, but at higher volumes the tone opens up a lot. This channel is actually the one that convinced me the most to get this amp.
The lead channel has crushing amounts of gain available. At low volume levels it sounds fairly dark, but when you turn up the volume this channel really opens up, the low end tightens and the treble cuts more.

The controls are basic. There's just volume, a 3-band EQ and a bright switch for the clean channel. The drive and lead channel share a 3-band EQ, but both have their own volume and gain controls. There's a separate reverb level control for clean. Crunch and lead share a reverb level control.
A very cool feature is the Edge-switch. When you push it, the amps tone gains a lot of presence, and opens up with more harmonics and transparency. Once you've turned it on, you'll never turn it off again, just like Brunetti say on their site and in the manual.

There's also three inputs in the rear for remote switching of the channels through relais of MIDI-equipment. There's one remark here: reverb and edge cannot be remotely switched. They can only be switched on and off with the amp's footswitch. That's quite a pity: if I'd buy a G-major, I would not be able to enjoy the full switching capabilities of the amp when using the FX-unit as channel switcher. I believe the G-major only has 2 relais, so that's too limited anyway. So I'd still need the amp's footswitch...

I don't have any clips of my own, as I don't have the proper recording equipment at home.
 
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Jeroen said:
Yeah, you really should :). It's not a big store, but they have a LOT in stock. You'll be amazed by the amount of Custom Shop Fenders and Gibsons they managed to cram in that fairly little space. And then there's all the Blades, MXG's, PRS and whatnot. But also very affordable stuff. Ampwise, the range includes a lot of Budda (Max Guitars is the Benelux distributor for Budda), lots and lots of Koch, some Orange and H&K and a bit of Mesa, and so on. They also stock a large load of FX-pedals in ALL price ranges. It's really worthwhile to check that store out. Plus, the owner, Robbert, is a very nice and friendly guy.




It's a very nice amp, and affordable for what it has to offer. It's a three-channel amp, ranging from pristine clean to over the top distortion (I usually keep the gain of the third channel below 6). The clean is Fenderish, especially if you play a little with the EQ. I now have the EQ setup with bass at 7, mids at 5 and treble at 3 and have now come very close to the Fender Twin sound. Although the treble is set low, it's still reasonably bright, like a Fender. The treble level is largely influenced by the mid setting. There's an added Bright-switch, but I rarely touch it.
The crunch channel has a range from an edgy clean tone (with far less highs than the clean channel) to a full driven Angus Young like Marshall tone. I mainly use this amp with a Strat, and it loses some of its sparkle on this channel, but at higher volumes the tone opens up a lot. This channel is actually the one that convinced me the most to get this amp.
The lead channel has crushing amounts of gain available. At low volume levels it sounds fairly dark, but when you turn up the volume this channel really opens up, the low end tightens and the treble cuts more.

The controls are basic. There's just volume, a 3-band EQ and a bright switch for the clean channel. The drive and lead channel share a 3-band EQ, but both have their own volume and gain controls. There's a separate reverb level control for clean. Crunch and lead share a reverb level control.
A very cool feature is the Edge-switch. When you push it, the amps tone gains a lot of presence, and opens up with more harmonics and transparency. Once you've turned it on, you'll never turn it off again, just like Brunetti say on their site and in the manual.

There's also three inputs in the rear for remote switching of the channels through relais of MIDI-equipment. There's one remark here: reverb and edge cannot be remotely switched. They can only be switched on and off with the amp's footswitch. That's quite a pity: if I'd buy a G-major, I would not be able to enjoy the full switching capabilities of the amp when using the FX-unit as channel switcher. I believe the G-major only has 2 relais, so that's too limited anyway. So I'd still need the amp's footswitch...

I don't have any clips of my own, as I don't have the proper recording equipment at home.

Sounds like my kind of store :D, glad to see a store in the area that actually sells good stuff.

Dude the description of your amp is almost the same as I would use for my Bogner xtc!

I think that if you get a midi footswitch you will be able to switch the edge and get reverb from the g-major? I still dunno how it works exactly lol.
 
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Nightburst said:
Another good idea! Certainly a lot cheaper :laugh2:
Is that what you use right now? Got any pics? :banana:


I'll see if I can find some old ones... Doubt it, though. I only ran that setup when playing live, and I haven't played a gig since February.

Your idea with the TC would work, but you still need something to switch the pedal in/out of the loop.

The Nobels ALEX-1 does this. It's got a guitar in, an FX loop, and an output. Guitar into in, output to amp, OD pedal in the FX loop. The ALEX has a 1/4" switching relay that activates the loop. Leave the pedal on all the time, and run one of the switching relays from the TC (If it's like my old G-Major, just use a Y cable from the relay out, send one end to the amp and one to the ALEX, use the relay 1 to control channels, relay 2 to control OD.) I actually did this without the ALEX, but it was super ghetto, and I wouldn't recommend it, given that the ALEX is only like 50 Euro's new, and 25USD on eBay, and that my method involved drilling holes in the pedal, mounting jacks to it, and really bastardizing it.

Happy Dude said:
I did not know that Bogner has this midi function; so you could plug an amp modeler in and get tripped out sounds via the bogner clean channel, or is this not recommended? Line 6:


Midi doesn't transmit sound, only data - in this case, closing/opening relays for a channel selector. What he means is that you plug the midi end of the cable comming from the Bogner into something like a G-Major, and use it's midi sends to change channels.


*Edit* Found one! This is how I ran it when I used cleans. Ran 3 cables from the amp to the pedalboard, all taped together into one big one. Extension for 9V adapter, OD to NS-2 (behind the amp, mounted to the back grill), and the footswitch cable.

I basically ran one snake from pedalboard to amp, plugged my guitar in, and went!

Thanks Jesus I don't have that ****ty cabinet, anymore, though. Hell, that's not even the same 5150 or OD I use now. :laugh2:

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I always wanted a nice Bradshaw type rack switching system... But hey that is for the pros or guys with money... But i did get a nice head switching system from www.axess-electronics.com and it costs around or under $500... It has a few draw backs... one- you can't use Delay based FX's in the amps FX Loops as it could damage the head on standby... two-you can't use overdrives infront of the unit... It is your basic amp switcher...

So my signal is pretty simple. My guitar to a Wah wah, Chorus, into the head switching system, 5150 in one channel and a Classic 50 in the other.. Out of the switching unit into either a small 1x12 Marshall cab or a 5150 4x12 cab....

The Axess guys for about $1500 made some sort of switching unit that also controlled effects and amps..... but it is much more costly... with my HS2 and the 2 heads i use i have little need for OD's... The 5150 is huge sounding as it is... and the C50 is used mostly for a clean channel...

What i find amazing about this set up is i use a Godin with Piezo's in it and it has 5 basic tones... C50-Clean, C-50 with the Piezo bridge on for acoustic tones-(close enough for me), C50 OD channel, 5150 rythym, 5150 solo.... Add the chorus and a wah and i'm in heaven.....

WhoFan
 
Re: What am I looking for here?

Jeff Dunne said:
Midi doesn't transmit sound, only data - in this case, closing/opening relays for a channel selector. What he means is that you plug the midi end of the cable comming from the Bogner into something like a G-Major, and use it's midi sends to change channels.


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Hmm...I see what he is saying and what you are clarifying. I see the G-major - which is pretty cool but is all effects like delay/reverb/chorus.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEGMAJOR

Thanks I get it but was wondering, if you threw in a "distortion effect/pedal" or "overdrives" etc. over the Bogner clean channel to color the sound in some way, it would not sound so great or maybe overload the amp?

If you could do this, you would have 2 or more awesome channels/patches with effects:

1 - clean channel
2 - clean channel with delay
3 - clean channel with overdrive distortion pedal
4 - dirty(metal) channel with effect
 
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