What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

[G0lden]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

That's just it. If I point it out you'll never be able to "unsee" it again. Therein lies the folly of double blind tests on our senses. The only thing double blind tests reveal is the testers inability to self-focus, identify, and/or care about the delta. It's nonsense because it is not the way we choose and buy products for the sake of expression and perception. We're not interested in the lab results. Hot water heaters? Vacuum cleaners? Sure. Set neck double cutaways? No.

I can confirm that there is a difference. But I won't give it away just yet. lol

 

[TheLivingDead]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

This... This is going to drive me crazy.

 

[Zhaggy]

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Can you spot the difference?

Yey, I found it! Took me awhile.

 

[frankfalbo]

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This... This is going to drive me crazy.

Haha! Once seen it can not be unseen! If I teach you how to see the difference quickly, you'll have the skills to do it with other pics like this, presented to you in this type of format.

It's turning out to be a near perfect illustration of what's being debated here in this thread! In the end, if I were choosing one to hang in my house I wouldn't care which one. But you could never, ever convince me that I can't tell the difference.

 

[TheLivingDead]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Is it... That it's slightly cropped?!

Probably not.

I just...

JEEZUS BLANKITY BLANK BLANK BLANK

 

[DarkMatter]

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The pictures: is it one of those things where you look so hard at the details but look right past something very obvious? I've yet to see it.

 

[AniML]

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I think I got it. Very hard to see without enlarging the picture

 

[tonechaser]

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By now we should all know it's the finish on the finger board not the board itself that makes the real differance.

 

[FrankyBoy]

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This... This is going to drive me crazy.

I was getting crazy too but I just found it and It cannot but unseen now haha

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Is it... That it's slightly cropped?!
Probably not.
I just...
JEEZUS BLANKITY BLANK BLANK BLANK

The pictures: is it one of those things where you look so hard at the details but look right past something very obvious? I've yet to see it.

I think I got it. Very hard to see without enlarging the picture

Here's a trick to finding it: Depending on what you're viewing on, and the size, cross or uncross your eyes until you see one image in the middle. Then the difference sticks out in the 3 dimensional field.

Once you learn to focus that way, you can easily identify things others can't. Your ears are no different. Once you tune into the differences, many of them can't be "unheard". You can still choose not to care. For example I have some guitars with specific PIO capacitors, and some I don't even care what's in there.

 

[TheLivingDead]

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Sonuva...

I finally got it.

Arggggg... I could've sworn I checked for that.

 

[verbotenco]

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where is it?

You actually fell for that trick? It took me less than 9 seconds to suspect he tried to fool us and yes, he did. Both are the same pics, I checked the link.

img546.imageshack.us/img546/6771/counterfeitspotthediffe.jpg

 

[verbotenco]

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I didn't made it up but you sure are right about the last part of that sentence. And who said I was white. Otherwise made me laugh and think about eggwhite.

And your last comment indeed doesn't have anything to do with the discussion here. What were are discussing here is whether wood has something to do with the tone and changing them make any difference. We all know that changing the pickups make a big difference. Hell, that's why most of us are here. And that's the part of this very forum. So your last comment was irrelevant to this discussion, we all agree to that what you said.

At least name the university, the test, give me the link to the test (if there is any). Do you think this is YouTube where you can throw any lie you can think of on the table?

With regard to this tone issue, I reckon a scientific test using spectrum analyzer, oscilloscope, etc. will possibly demonstrate that different woods indeed yield different tone, based on the numeric result of the study.

But to human ear the difference is so insignificantly miniscule, you won't be able to hear it. It is the brain that tricks you.

Of course, if one expects a $3000 guitar to sound better than a sub $1000 dollar guitar, it would sound better.

Go to YouTube and find a shoot out between Epiphone and Gibson. Can you spot a big difference in the tone, little difference, or no difference at all? Many comments actually point out that the Epi sounds better. Even if there is a difference, it is not noticeable or probably both sound the same if you turn off the screen.

 

[AniML]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Go to YouTube and find a shoot out between Epiphone and Gibson. Can you spot a big difference in the tone, little difference, or no difference at all? Many comments actually point out that the Epi sounds better. Even if there is a difference, it is not noticeable or probably both sound the same if you turn off the screen.

do you mean one recorded on an iPhone, compressed and then streamed through my 1" laptop speakers?

Not saying epi = Gibson. I'm saying do a proper comparison

 

[Grindspine]

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That having verbotenco on ignore list is an excellent idea?

Agreed!

Haha! Once seen it can not be unseen! If I teach you how to see the difference quickly, you'll have the skills to do it with other pics like this, presented to you in this type of format.

It's turning out to be a near perfect illustration of what's being debated here in this thread! In the end, if I were choosing one to hang in my house I wouldn't care which one. But you could never, ever convince me that I can't tell the difference.

That is an AWESOME example. I had to do some problem solving to find the best way to compare. Side by side sometimes doesn't work as well as other techniques of comparing things.

That is a great example. Once the difference is seen, it just becomes so obvious. :smack:

I think I got it. Very hard to see without enlarging the picture

Then you don't have it yet. You'll know for sure when you see it.

Here's a trick to finding it: Depending on what you're viewing on, and the size, cross or uncross your eyes until you see one image in the middle. Then the difference sticks out in the 3 dimensional field.

Once you learn to focus that way, you can easily identify things others can't. Your ears are no different. Once you tune into the differences, many of them can't be "unheard". You can still choose not to care. For example I have some guitars with specific PIO capacitors, and some I don't even care what's in there.

I used a different technique. I cropped the left and right images and scrolled between the two. The difference basically flashed as I scrolled between the two left and right image crops.

You actually fell for that trick? It took me less than 9 seconds to suspect he tried to fool us and yes, he did. Both are the same pics, I checked the link.

img546.imageshack.us/img546/6771/counterfeitspotthediffe.jpg

And again, this guy is a troll. If you click the link img546.imageshack.us/img546/6771/counterfeitspotthediffe.jpg, you'll see that it is one .jpg file with two images placed into one viewable file.

Verbo, give it up.. :smack:

 

[TheLivingDead]

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You actually fell for that trick? It took me less than 9 seconds to suspect he tried to fool us and yes, he did. Both are the same pics, I checked the link.

img546.imageshack.us/img546/6771/counterfeitspotthediffe.jpg

There is most definitely a difference.

Try not going against the grain just for the sake of it. I'm sure it's rather tiring to keep up.

 

[tonello]

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Can you spot the difference?

Some people will find it right away. Others will take awhile, and others will totally give up on trying, don't care, and the differences are irrelevant to them because these two images are basically the same.

Hearing is no different. Some differences require heighened sensitivity, which sometimes NEED to be pointed out by others who have heard the difference. This way, you know what to tune in to, and then you hear it too.

Ever have someone say to you "Hey you hear that clock ticking?" and you say "no..........wait............YES, AAAAAAHH why did you point that out to me?!! Now it's going to be bothering me all day!!!"

Found it. Look at the spots on his robe shirt thing.

 

[verbotenco]

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do you mean one recorded on an iPhone, compressed and then streamed through my 1" laptop speakers?

Not saying epi = Gibson. I'm saying do a proper comparison

Just find one, there are many. See, they are not even proper comparison. But the sound is not that far apart.

But I can confidently state that many Gibson owners are not willing to admit this fact cause they have paid good money for their guitars. Hell...they probably decline to do a shootout with Epi.

 

[Zhaggy]

Re: What if fretboard wood doesn't matter?

Here's a trick to finding it: Depending on what you're viewing on, and the size, cross or uncross your eyes until you see one image in the middle. Then the difference sticks out in the 3 dimensional field.

Once you learn to focus that way, you can easily identify things others can't. Your ears are no different. Once you tune into the differences, many of them can't be "unheard". You can still choose not to care. For example I have some guitars with specific PIO capacitors, and some I don't even care what's in there.

Damn, thought I found it but it was the wrong one. There are many pixels that are different color and apparently that wasn't the point. Heh, but now found the real difference.

 

[Dr. Vegetable]

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By now we should all know it's the finish on the finger board not the board itself that makes the real differance.

Actually, it's the thin strata of air above the finish on the fingerboard that colors the tone into what we actually hear. That's why music recorded at different altitudes sounds so dramatically different. I seen it on youtube!

Rule of thumb: Jazz at sea level, metal from the mountaintops!